CardSpike / CAP / Gambling911

[Caruso]

Sorry, don't know your site. Can you provide a link?

If it's OK with admin:

http://www.hundredpercentgambling.co...-affiliate.htm

[Randy72560]

To add insult to injury here, I just tried to log into my Cardspike affiliate account, only to find out it has been locked or closed..

I am a rakeback affiliate so I should be earning money form these players for life.. How screwed up is this mess? Can they close my account with players on revshare?

If anyone still thinks CAP is in the right and not hiding something, this should be a damming clue.. I've contact Cake Poker again and asked that they look into this..

[pgaming]

If anyone still thinks CAP is in the right and not hiding something, this should be a damming clue

I think so Randy a real shame!

greek39

[Captain]

CAP/Effective Media/Card Spike clarification

Affiliate Media Inc., a Nevada Corporation with Offices in Irvine CA., and it’s shareholders are the owner /operators of the following web properties and products:

1. CasinoAffilitiatePrograms.com , Pokeraffiliateprograms.com, AffiliatePrograms.com – These are online communities designed to service the affiliate sector of their respective marketing niches.

2.AffiliateRevenue.com – Retail advertising agency with a primary focus on consumer finance and B to B sales.

3.Joint Ventures
A. CAP Magazine with Lyceum media (UK).
B. CAP Euro Events with iGaming Business (UK].
C. AffiliateSpeedPay.com (ASP) exclusive marketing agent and creative direction consulting.

Note: Affiliate Media Inc. has no ownership directly or indirectly of Affiliate Speedpay.com (ASP) or the EU Licensed bank which maintains the affiliate accounts. We have no direct or indirect access to banking/affiliate data or users. We did help author the product to serve as a stable affiliate payment solution after the Neteller fund seizures which affected many of us in the industry.

Clarifications:

1. Affiliate Media Inc. has no direct or indirect ownership whatsoever in CardSpike.com. CardSpike management did pay a full certification fee for exposure on CasinoAffiliatePrograms.com (CAP) and a full All In Partner fee for exposure on PokerAffiliatePrograms.com (PAP. That is the full and total extant of the relationship. Between the two parties.

Effective Media Group
Effective Media Group (EMG) is a Florida Corporation with offices in Orlando, FL. It was established by a separate set of share holders then AMI with the express intent of offering consulting services to online merchants, in ALL sectors. Our initial focus was to assist investors and operators of online gaming properties . We launched this business to satisfy the continuous requests from new and existing gaming operators for our consulting assistance and guidance with their affiliate marketing and general online marketing initiatives. In 2009, EMG will be branching out into other markets such as finance and travel to further satisfy clients without the necessary expertise to execute efficient online strategies. Both Lou and Warren maintain individual shares in EMG along with other shareholders.

Clarifications:
1.Affiliate Media Inc. has no shares or monetary influence in this new company whatsoever. It is wholly separate company with a different set of business goals and clients.

2.Effective Media Group, its officers, staff and investors have no direct or indirect ownership in CardSpike.com. EMG operated as performance based consultant ONLY for an offshore investor.

EMG was established as a consulting service offering scalable solutions for all online marketing niches. Turnkey fully managed solutions are available or they can provide training and support for new/existing clients. We encourage you to contact the EMG corporate offices for more information on (407) 781-1492 .

Additional Notes:
CAP and PAP have dropped certification, recommendation and support of the CardSpike.com product. It’s our understanding that Effective Media has not been paid in full for their management services either and are pursing that vigorously with CardSpike.com.

Source

[MichaelCorfman]

Thank you Captain.

I'm pleased to see that you have posted on behalf of Affiliate Media and Effective Media Group much, but not all, of what we were going to prove in the next couple videos we were about to release.

Obviously, with so much of the material we were painstakingly going to prove finally announced publicly, we need to review the material we have and prepare an appropriate response in that context.

In any event, we view more complete disclosure of relationships to be a significant and positive step forward. This way some of the biases that were present are more visible for others to see.

Michael

[DaftDog]

Thank you Captain.

I'm pleased to see that you have posted on behalf of Affiliate Media and Effective Media Group much, but not all, of what we were going to prove in the next couple videos we were about to release.

Obviously, with so much of the material we were painstakingly going to prove finally announced publicly, we need to review the material we have and prepare an appropriate response in that context.

In any event, we view more complete disclosure of relationships to be a significant and positive step forward. This way some of the biases that were present are more visible for others to see.

Michael

Michael you seem to be purposely dragging out this whole episode with relish. Rumours are dangerous. Post all your proof now or be done with this.

You guys started this with rumours and have had more than enough time to "clarify" your proof. It's like a ******* soap opera that drags on and on.

[Caruso]

Post all your proof now or be done with this.

You guys started this with rumours and have had more than enough time to "clarify" your proof.

And he should post to your time requirements why? Who are you to judge what is "enough time", since you clearly do not know what the matters under consideration are?

No proof of ownership details should be publically posted without full due consideration. There is obviously a "good" reason why Cardspike has beneficial owners, and that is to conceal the ownership. The owners will have gone to some lengths to maintain their anonynimity.

[pgaming]

Lets reverse engineer your argument prove otherwise. Aside from that strap in Ixian and hopefully the air bag deploys.

Additional proof is piling up.

purposely dragging out this whole episode with relish

Tell me your joking

greek39

[DaftDog]

And he should post to your time requirements why? Who are you to judge what is "enough time", since you clearly do not know what the matters under consideration are?

No proof of ownership details should be publically posted without full due consideration. There is obviously a "good" reason why Cardspike has beneficial owners, and that is to conceal the ownership. The owners will have gone to some lengths to maintain their anonynimity.

Is "he" God? I can ask what ever I please, just the same as you do.

[MichaelCorfman]

Michael you seem to be purposely dragging out this whole episode with relish. Rumours are dangerous. Post all your proof now or be done with this.

You guys started this with rumours and have had more than enough time to "clarify" your proof. It's like a ******* soap opera that drags on and on.

I strongly disagree that I started "this" with rumors. Gambling 911 reported this issue before the GPWA, and at the time I was just confirming that based on information in my possession I viewed that the essence of what gambling 911 reported was true.

Since that time Affiliate Media has issued two statements. The first statement was issued in response to a request from us for information to report in an APCW Perspectives video. The second statement was released yesterday evening just hours before we were scheduled to release the Tuesday APCW video. Evidently Affiliate Media correctly felt it made more sense for them to release some sort of statement than for us to release a video revealing much of the same information.

Since their video admitted much of the information we were trying to prove, there was no longer any need for us to prove those items that were conceded by Affiliate Media. Affiliate Media, by its own most recent statement, showed that the first statement they issued was incorrect and misleading. Personally, I was very pleased that our investigation of matters made them realize they needed to be more forthright than they had been about their relationship with Cardspike. Transparency is our goal, and their most recent forced step forward on that front represented significant progress.

You can see our initial response to the Affiliate Media statement in the new APCW Perspective Tuesday video that was released Tuesday evening.

In terms of providing additional information, we will be doing that as we are able. This takes time, and I am currently away from the office involved in putting on the GPWA conference in Las Vegas taking place now. So, I urge you to be patient, but if you are unable to be patient, then that's fine too. Just understand that being impatient is not going to result in my being able to push this along any faster than it is already moving forward.

Michael

Michael

[mojo]

So, I urge you to be patient, but if you are unable to be patient, then that's fine too. Just understand that being impatient is not going to result in my being able to push this along any faster than it is already moving forward.

I will be patient. However, this will certainly stir another round of contraversy. I think that the problem is there is still no proof of ownership that was stated earlier. However, there is definatly a connection that was denied earlier:

Cardspike is not controlled or managed by CAP, PAP, Affiliate Media, Warren Jolly or Lou "The Professor" Fabiano.
CAP, PAP, Affiliate Media, Warren Jolly, Lou "The Professor" Fabiano and all other personnel of CAP have absolutely no ownership interest, no profits interest and no beneficial interest whatsoever in Cardspike.
Any statements or malicious rumors to the contrary are untrue and unfair.

Therefore, we will have much bickering ahead of us until the time comes where you are able to move forward.

I hope we can all remain calm here. This is a multi-layered issue and many of us are confused on the facts. Besides ownership issues there are many other factors that shouldn't be lost such as the statement posted above in carefully chosen words.

[MichaelCorfman]

I did quickly read a thread in the CM forum on this general topic, and posted a reply to a question raised there, which I also thought I should post here since it does cover some new ground.

The material below is from that post:

I still want to know where it explicitly states that Effective Media ran the affiliate program for Cardspike. No one has produced this yet.

OK, we'll make sure to put that material together and publish it. Some examples of materials that substantiate this include that Greg has confirmed he was an employee of effective media group, paid by effective media group, and working out of an office owned by effective media group at the time he was the affiliate manager for cardspike. And while he was affiliate manager he had working e-mail addresses at both effective media group and cardspike. And the cardspike website was developed by the same web development firm that developed the PAP website.

How about an on camera interview with Greg Powell? Perhaps he could clear this up

He is not in a position to make many statements beyond what I stated above because he is bound by a confidentiality agreement, and so he has a very limited ability to comment on the matter without getting himself into a situation where he could be sued. Greg is adamant about not answering questions that he feels would violate that agreement. I've rarely seen someone so concerned about the consequences of violating a confidentiality agreement, which I think in and of itself says something about the pressures behind the scenes. Actually, that might make an interview pretty interesting - a series of statements to which he responds he is not free to reply.

Added: I hope this isn't an excercise of splitting hairs. If an "offshore entity" is defined as Cardspike, or if "managerial services" is meant to be "the affiliate program", a lot of people are going to be rather pissed off for being lied to. If you state you have nothing at all to do with a business, we take your word for it.

Your statements here are 100% correct. There is a case of very, very, very carefully written statements being made by Affiliate Media.

[MichaelCorfman]

I replied to one more post on the CM forum, so I am also copying that here. Now I have to go off to the GPWA conference I am involved with for the next 12+ hours.

Below is the post by Bryan and my response in his forum.

Well, if that's true, then this is totally effed up.

CAP is on record for stating that they have nothing to do with Cardspike. The way that I and most everyone who has read their statement can agree that this means that there was nothing beyond the fee for certification.

Word games are disallowed in this forum, and I'd be mighty p.o.d if they have used this platform to deceive our members.

Affiliate Media would say that CAP did not make that statement. Rather Affiliate Media that owns CAP made that statement. They would go on to say that Effective Media Group is an entirely different company than Affiliate Media, and the fact that Effective Media Group was heavily involved in cardspike has nothing to do with the business of Affiliate Media since they are separate companies. Never mind that Warren and Lou are officers of both companies. There is a solid case of corporate shell games going on here.

[pgaming]

Never mind that Warren and Lou are officers of both companies.

Samething IMO.

greek39

[Caruso]

In the video, Todd says that a week ago Warren from CAP had said that none of the CAP personnel had any profit interest in Cardspike (2' 14" into the video).

Is there a link to this? I cannot find it, only the CAP statements of the last two days. This would appear contradictory to the statements below:

It’s our understanding that Effective Media has not been paid in full for their management services either and are pursing that vigorously with CardSpike.com.

EMG operated as performance based consultant ONLY for an >>>offshore investor<<<.

Note, however, that CAP refers to a role as performance-based consultant for an "offshore investor", and not "Cardspike", whereas Todd inserts "Cardspike" here. This is a discrepancy.

Performance-based consulting for an investor in a company, and management services for the company the investor is invested in, does not necessarily equate to a direct profit interest in the company, or beneficial ownership in the company.

I would like to know what "performance-based consultant for an offshore investor" actually means. This is clearly an investor in Cardspike, ie. one of the beneficial owners. Is this just any old drug baron from a banana republic, or someone closer to home? What is the nature of the "performance based" consultancy? They analyse the performance of Cardspike, with a view to recommending the investment? This would imply fairly close ties to the operation. Also, if the consultancy were with a view to a potential investor actually putting his money into the operation, then there is a conflict of interest here: CAP is recommending investment in a company they promote, whose financial well being is relevant to them. Did the "offshore investor" know this? Did he / she know the consultant was not a neutral third party, but an advertiser for the recommended operation? Was the relationship, if relevant (ie. if I'm reading the nature of the enterprise right) correctly disclosed to the investor?

All that said, I do not, in all honesty, see an admission from CAP of financial / beneficial interests. If CAP had actually admitted to a role as performance based consultant for Cardspike, this might have been different, although not necessarily leading to a direct profit-based interest.

If anyone thinks they can explain "performance-based consultant for an offshore investor", it would be useful.

[pgaming]

"performance-based consultant for an offshore investor"

Could one of those Bush's made up phrases LMAO. Sorry Caruso could not resist.

greek39

[Caruso]

I now see similar questions have been asked at Casinomeister:

It seems to me by the above statement that Warren made, after you break it down and dissect or analyze it a little more that it is clear that they, being Warren & Lou were clearly working for the owner of CardSpike.

It was / is not clear to me that the "offshore investor" is actually the owner of Cardspike, as I did not assume that word games of that magnitude were being played. I am still not convinced. It seems a word game too far.

I remain in attendance of clarification on this statement:

EMG operated as performance based consultant ONLY for an offshore investor.

[Anthony]

In the video, Todd says that a week ago Warren from CAP had said that none of the CAP personnel had any profit interest in Cardspike (2' 14" into the video).

Is there a link to this? I cannot find it, only the CAP statements of the last two days. This would appear contradictory to the statements below:



Note, however, that CAP refers to a role as performance-based consultant for an "offshore investor", and not "Cardspike", whereas Todd inserts "Cardspike" here. This is a discrepancy.

Performance-based consulting for an investor in a company, and management services for the company the investor is invested in, does not necessarily equate to a direct profit interest in the company, or beneficial ownership in the company.

Here is the statement:


Hello J.Todd,

Cardspike is not controlled or managed by CAP, PAP, nor its parent company, Affiliate Media Inc.

CAP, PAP, Affiliate Media, and all company personnel have absolutely no ownership interest, no profits interest and no beneficial interest whatsoever in Cardspike.

Any statements to the contrary are untrue and unfair.

Sincerely,

Warren Jolly / CEO

http://www.onlinecasinoreports.com/n...ap-comment.php

[TheCPA]

Note, however, that CAP refers to a role as performance-based consultant for an "offshore investor", and not "Cardspike", whereas Todd inserts "Cardspike" here. This is a discrepancy.

Performance-based consulting for an investor in a company, and management services for the company the investor is invested in, does not necessarily equate to a direct profit interest in the company, or beneficial ownership in the company.

Yes, I agree with that Caruso as one of several possibilities that do not mean they own CardSpike.
This is the first thing that needs to be addressed if anyone is TRULY in search of the truth.
That's what some of us have been driving at, so I'm glad to see some others seeing this now too.

If we are going make Allegations or Accusations,..... let's make sure they are 100% legitimate, and accurate FIRST.
Same thing I've been saying for a week now!

Correcting false allegations after the facts and the damage has been done does not justify the inaccurate allegation.
Do the homework FIRST,..... not after you make the allegations.

Makes no difference who the accusers or accusees are.
That is irrelevant.
This simple concept should always apply when calling someone out on a significant issue. JMO!

Yes, CAP should have been more forthcoming, and upfront in this venture, but I don't think their involvement is anywhere near the level of drama that the initial STATED "Allegations" in this thread implied. Again, JMO.

Should CAP be accountable, and explain their reasoning for not disclosing their involvement up front?
Sure they should.

Beyond that, what else should happen on this if that was the extent of their involvement with Cardspike??????

Are all affiliates obligated to inform the public if we take on a consulting job in addition to our portals?

Is it the consultant's financial responsibility if a place goes Rogue?
I don't think so.

Would this thread be any different if it were Michael instead of Lou that had consulted for a casino or Poker Room that went Rogue?

Would everyone be posting their distain for the GPWA, and Michael???

Would CAP be running a major thread on it lead by CAP Members, Lou and Warren?

I realize that some may think that sounds like I'm defending CAP.
NOT TRUE!!!!

In situations like this, I ignore the names of the parties involved, and just search for the real truth.

It's no secret that Lou doesn't care for me, and that I don't care for many of the CAP policies.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with whether they own CardSpike, and I'm not going to jump on that bandwagon without concrete proof because I don't feel they are "Beneficial Owners" as this thread originally charged them with.

If a mistake was made in that comment, please just clear it up and focus on the area they probably were involved in if you want.

[GamTrak]

If we are going make Allegations or Accusations,..... let's make sure they are 100% legitimate, and accurate FIRST.
Same thing I've been saying for a week now!

Thank you CPA for ONCE AGAIN being the voice of reason as well as FAIR and HONEST!

That is all I've asked from the beginning. Bring me the facts or don't bring me anything at all! That is why I value my membership at the GIA!