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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post
    One thing you may like to peruse is the geo preferences for casino city in relationship to this new section.

    All payment option said they are available to Australians, I can assure you this is not the case.
    Dave, if you could give me an example or two that you know are wrong, we'd investigate them, and that would be a big help.

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    again with all DUE respect to MC,

    that has been an ongoing arguement at CAP for some time.

    I want to list these payment opps ...... but have with-held due to opp about making it easier for our opp to find and shut down these places.

    I cannot and do not guess which is right. I was asked for feedback and posted what was my reason for not providing this info as i very much would like to. I did not want to go against the (CAP) pop op that it was a bad idea.

    I still am on the fence. Your choice has widened my thinking ...... though I'm still hesitant to provide such info ..... as I can tell you from experience ..... (not online) ...... that law enforcement is lazy.

    I furthermore say that it is prob wise for those in the states to use anonymous 'who is it" info .... as they will more than likely go for those listed in easy to find who is it info first. Giving you time to make necessary adjustments.

    I do not wish ..... nor ever .... want to aggressively diss CC or GPWA. As I already mentioned ..... it was asked for feedback and I gave what i know or thought was food for thought.

    At CAP..... it is a very big .... no-no ....... to provide to deposit methods in public areas. MC and GPWA are very likely aware of that.

    I support neither forum approach..... just point out that it may be a merited approach.

    I hope this and former posts in this thread are taken in such manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bb1web View Post
    At CAP..... it is a very big .... no-no ....... to provide to deposit methods in public areas. MC and GPWA are very likely aware of that.

    I support neither forum approach..... just point out that it may be a merited approach.
    Actually, I was not aware that there was any opinion expressed in this area on CAP. Certainly not posting such information is taking a conservative posture, and so it is hard to argue with such a position. But personally, I think it is naive in the extreme to think it would actually make a difference from a law enforcement perspective.

    There is a level of sophistication that is far greater than you might imagine here, and what we have done on the Casino City site is almost meaningless compared with what other information resources can provide to law enforcement on request. I have been asked by organizations that do know what they are doing here to help, and the level of detail such organizations look at is so much more sophisticated than what we provide from a law enforcement perspective that it would actually be a joke to think that what we are putting up on the web would be much help compared with (for example) information that is available to banks on this front. They look at tracing financial transactions because of due diligence required with respect to terrorism and money laundering, not the name of some payment methods that does not really provide a hook for the financial trails required for prosecution. Go take a look at the website www.accuitysolutions.com to get at least a very vague idea of what can be done here. They can cross-reference transactions across the whole clearinghouse system in the US to try to track down what is going on. I have I pretty good idea about what goes on here because accuity approached me about working with them, and I let them explain things enough to get a sense of what can be done before I told them I was not interested in helping.

    So my somewhat educated view is that the help to players is substantially greater than the help to law enforcement if you try to balance the merits on each side of the equation.

    Anyway, I don't have any particular issue with the other approach, and I certainly don't mind alternative views being expressed here or on CAP. I was not trying to get after you for expressing a different view. Those are good things. But I did (and do) want to respond where I think the story is more complex in terms of what information is useful to law enforcement in the context of the information that they already have available.

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    I think it is naive in the extreme to think it would actually make a difference from a law enforcement perspective.
    LOL! actually MC..... that was my point at CAP.

    how hard is it? but it is very much a no-no there.

    so I chose to not provide deposit methods because I wanted to not "rock the boat" ..... shall we say.

    that said.... I agree totally with you.

    now that said....... the casinos ..... and I can and will provide (if you choose) .... a link to threads where the casinos ..... I think it was Casino Rewards ... asked that the deposit methods not be made in public areas.

    I can say ..... CR was doing this to protect their players and methods used to deposit/withdraw ...... for obvious reason.

    appreciate your fairness in this matter..... I just pointed out what I knew was a big issue at CAP.

    I cannot say whether it is a wise approach to the matter. again .... iMHO ..... its getting out whether we provide the info ........ or not. but I gave feedback for thought.

    appreciate your not being pissed about my posts.
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    all due respect... and i mean that. I cannot help but worry this makes it easier for our opposition to shut down such payment methods.
    Thanks bb, this is a real issue. I wouldn't go into detail either. I appriciate what you are saying Michael, that this is insignificant in the scheme of things. However, we continue to get payment methods shut down effectively. That is why it is not discussed. Players find their way on their own or ask affiliates privately.

    They look at tracing financial transactions because of due diligence required with respect to terrorism and money laundering, not the name of some payment methods..
    Which opens the door to other prosecutions.

    Respectively,

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    It's a wonderful resource for players. Kudos.

    However, since it is geo-targeted, webmasters who are targeting foreign markets may not find it as useful.

    For instance, since my IP is a Canadian address, I can see payment methods available to Canadians, but I am targeting the U.S. market...

    [edit] D'Oh! - just have to change preferences to see payment methods in various countries. Sorry, I completely missed that.
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