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    Default commission question - rev share on deposits only?

    I had been offered, what was referred to as a 'sweet deal' from a affiliate manager that I've dealt with over the years. I had asked for my rev share to be raised based on the good amount of registrations.

    They offered me " 40 % sum of deposits Rev share deal… with this type of deal you are not subject to credits and coupons given to players in retention and you get a direct 40% of deposits.. "

    Is this a fair offer or am I limiting myself?

    I have only done the normal rev share deals and have done ok with most brands.


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    Can't say we have ever worked on this kind of deal before, maybe it's worth looking through your affiliate accounts and seeing how much you would earn from this deal based on previous monthly deposits compared to what you actually earned.

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    To be honest, I would certainly stick with the normal rev share deals if I were you. You will get a lot more profit out of them and you'll be doing yourself a favour. As with only the deposit method deal only, you will get only 40% of the deposits made and nothing else. There's a very big difference between the two.
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    If it's 40% out of deposits vs 40% of netgaming - then of course deposits as naturally deposits will be higher than netgaming (not considering getting really lucky and having a big winner loosing everything a month after when you have no negative carry over), but that rarely happens.

    Another benefit - your income is much more steady month after month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunsation72 View Post
    I had been offered, what was referred to as a 'sweet deal' from a affiliate manager that I've dealt with over the years.
    That set off my bullshit detector and I had to stop reading...it's just a habit...

    The deal could be way better, regardless of what the AM said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GG-US View Post
    That set off my bullshit detector and I had to stop reading...it's just a habit...

    The deal could be way better, regardless of what the AM said.
    Not sure why you say that unless that's your generic answer to anything an AM offers you. (something i can understand)

    40% of deposits is a very good deal. Considering that

    1. most programs now have 20-40% of hidden fees.
    2. netgaming which somehow in some programs worth 1/3 of the deposits.

    Can it be better? Maybe. However if it's really 40% of deposits it a really good deal.

    Last, don't forget. The deal should be profitable to the program too. I mean maybe you can get 45% for few months, or even 50%, but if the program doesn't make money on that - it will be a short one. Both sides need to profit.
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    Are you sure he means you only get rev share on the one deposit they make, and not all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BestBonusBets View Post
    Are you sure he means you only get rev share on the one deposit they make, and not all?
    This sounds more likely - I've come across deals for % of first deposit or deposits in the first month. There are a couple of programs that do percent of total deposits (or used to back in the day) but the percentages were way less than you're talking.

    If they're actually offering 40% of all deposits I'd bite their hands off.
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    40% of all deposits isn't financially feasible for any casino - they'd be losing hand over fist, their 'hold' isn't big enough to pay that.

    1. The offer is actually what's stated here - and then they are shaving any good players to pay for it

    2. It's 40% on 1st deposit only in which case - (Shrug) you have to compare EPC/RPC historically on your current model, work it back to what it would have been with this new deal and compare. I wouldn't be massively turned on by this though.

    One other option if you are looking for a clearer model is to go % GGR rather than % NGR, Trada used to offer GGR as an option for good affiliates not sure if that's still the case. Of course, max GGR % is going to be like 20-25% and even then only if you are sending quality and/or volume of traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunsation72 View Post
    " 40 % sum of deposits Rev share deal… with this type of deal you are not subject to credits and coupons given to players in retention and you get a direct 40% of deposits.. "

    Is this a fair offer or am I limiting myself?
    It is most likely deposits net of withdrawals which after adding back the cash in the players account = GGR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WagerJoint View Post
    It is most likely deposits net of withdrawals which after adding back the cash in the players account = GGR.
    that would be my guess too. dep-withdrawal-chargebacks
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    Quote Originally Posted by WagerJoint View Post
    It is most likely deposits net of withdrawals which after adding back the cash in the players account = GGR.
    And up pops a program that has experience with GGR

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    40% on deposits.. great if you are gwtting $250 plus deposits on average.. sucks if you are a 50-150 guy.. you might as well do CPA, only you know your traffic, one thing is for sure the casino will always try and make it in their favor..

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    No casino will ever made money if they give you 40 % on al deposit, it should be 40 % on the FIRST deposit. On the last 12 years, my comission were around 10 % of the deposited money ... and it was on thousand of clients.

    Client loose about 50 % on their deposit, they casino have tax, licence fee, credit card fees ... and the income end up to be about 30 % of all deposit so they can not give you more than they do

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    It's a very big comission...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrProno View Post
    No casino will ever made money if they give you 40 % on al deposit, it should be 40 % on the FIRST deposit. On the last 12 years, my comission were around 10 % of the deposited money ... and it was on thousand of clients.

    Client loose about 50 % on their deposit, they casino have tax, licence fee, credit card fees ... and the income end up to be about 30 % of all deposit so they can not give you more than they do
    You should think about changing with the programs you work with, there are some good programs that pay almost the real revenue

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    You should think about changing with the programs you work with, there are some good programs that pay almost the real revenue
    Do you really think that 100 % of your player will loose 100 % of their deposit ? and that casino have no cost for licence, credit card, taxe ... Casino that pay to much go broke and then you loose all your revshare.

    My number are realistic, i dont think there are program that can offer you on a long term basis and thousand of client more than that 10 % of the deposit and by the way, i dont have comission on deposit but 35-40 % revshare. Because i was answering a question, i just check what % of my deposit were the revsahre comission I get.

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    It depends on the market - in US programs can offer probably something like 35%-40% of deposits. In UK it's indeed not possible.
    But % on first deposit is not relevant.
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    keep dreaming ... Your comments are not realistic at all. Most Casino dont even keep 50 % of their clients deposit, and then they have to pay tax, licence, credit card cost .... if they give 40 % comission of all the dposit, they just dont make money, go broke and then you loose your clients and futures comissions. Does someone on this forum receive 40 % on ALLL deposit of their clients ? I really dont think so.

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    There are affiliates that are paid $300 CPA for 10 visits. Again, it depends on the market - in UK it's not possible. In US, where the only fees are processing and very low software fees - it is.

    Is it offered to any affiliate - of course not. I assume here it was some specific case or the OP didn't fully understand what he was offered.

    I do not argue with you - 40% of deposits is extremely high deal. Can i see a casino offering it in some specific case/market- yes.
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