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    Hello All,

    The first post said pending approval, but its been pending for some time, so i decided to post it again.

    I created a site in November 2016, www.top10.football and its supposed to be a mixture of top10 football trivia (american and european) and information on betting.

    I have gotten some traffic, nothing to write home about, but no follow through to open accounts.

    I would like your opinions, on whether, as a concept, the site makes sense. The reason for this is that i was told by one affiliate program that the site is muddled and not sure what it's about, hence they didn't approve it.

    I am also concerned as to whether the site should just be about sports betting and forget the trivia blog entries.

    I would appreciate any assistance, and comments on this.

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    It's an interesting site. I enjoyed reading some of the articles. It comes across as more of an online football magazine, rather than a sports betting portal. Maybe you can add a Top 5 Sportsbooks widget on the sidebar with links to sports betting review pages? Just my 2 cents worth.

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    I agree with Sweetbet, to me as well the site looks more like a magazine than a betting portal.
    There isn't your top betting sites, reviews or recommendations on sites to gamble at.
    Think about adding some calls to action because nowadays banners aren't enough to convert traffic.
    However, I have to say that your domain name is cool and easy to remember. that was a nice choice
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    I enjoyed reading it, though I'm not sure there are that many people who are into both versions of football. It's usually one or the other.

    These top 10 articles are good for pushing content to social media or to Outbrain or whatever. You don't usually just write this type of content and let it sit, it's designed to have a catchy title, to be in front of people when they're reading other sites, and to generate clicks to yours.

    How about top 10 bookies for betting on NFL, top 10 for football, top 10 for over/under, top 10 bonuses, top 10 mobile bonuses...?

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    Thanks guys for the responses.

    Quote Originally Posted by sweetbet View Post
    It's an interesting site. I enjoyed reading some of the articles. It comes across as more of an online football magazine, rather than a sports betting portal. Maybe you can add a Top 5 Sportsbooks widget on the sidebar with links to sports betting review pages? Just my 2 cents worth.
    That input is a very valuable 2 cents. I will create a page with the top10 sports books, just to maintain the continuity of the top10 title, and I will add a widget as you suggested. Do you think that the "football magazine" look and content of the site distract or attract players to venture into the world of online betting.?

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    I agree with Sweetbet, to me as well the site looks more like a magazine than a betting portal.
    There isn't your top betting sites, reviews or recommendations on sites to gamble at.
    Think about adding some calls to action because nowadays banners aren't enough to convert traffic.
    However, I have to say that your domain name is cool and easy to remember. that was a nice choice
    Thanks, with regards to the domain, I decided to think outside of the .com realm and go to the newer less used names. I do believe that in time, the general population will warm up to these unconventional names, and they will get ranked with google. Will follow both your and Sweetbet's advice, but can you also tell me if the magazine aspect serves as an attraction or a distraction for the potential gambler.

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    Ienjoyed reading it, though I'm not sure there are that many people who are intoboth versions of football. It's usually one or the other.
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    These top 10 articles are good for pushing contentto social media or to Outbrain or whatever. You don't usually just write thistype of content and let it sit, it's designed to have a catchy title, to be infront of people when they're reading other sites, and to generate clicks toyours.

    How about top 10 bookies for betting on NFL, top10 for football, top 10 for over/under, top 10 bonuses, top 10 mobilebonuses...?


    Dan, I enjoyed your article on issue 37 of the GPWA times. It was written well and contains a wealth of information, definitely ranks higher than some of those corporate tech blogs IMHO.
    I agree with the statement .com is king, however, I hope in time that the population will warm up to the gTLD domains. technology is changing so fast, its so much to wrap your brain around.

    As with sweetbet, and mikew, I will use your suggestions and implement them.


    I am relieved that no one has said out right the concept is flawed, and i appreciate all the input.

    Thanks again Guys.
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    I agree with Dan.. not too many people into both types of football however there are many football players that also like soccer?? you are trying to cross >Non U.S with US Traffic for the same keywords but different meanings.. not sure how googles algo will see that but personally I would concentrate on the AM football.. much much bigger earnings

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    Brandon, I have browsed a bit through your site and here are my thoughts...

    The main problem I see is that the site is primarily oriented towards a social crowd but that you want to monetize it by promoting sportsbooks. Your content is quite shareable on social networks but I'm not sure that this is the crowd you really want. I'm not saying it's impossible to get enough depositors with your type of content but you will need huge amounts of this 'untargeted' traffic to make it work. You might get the odd depositor but if you want to earn consistent affiliate income then you should consider changing some things ...

    What you really want is targeted traffic. Visitors who are interested in sports betting. I'll take 10 targeted visitors (searching for betting-related terms in Google) over 1000 untargeted visitors any day. Just think about it ... loads of people visit sites like ZergNet or Buzzfeed to kill some time with top 10 lists but no matter what the product, these visitors are usually not in the mood to spend money.

    What I would do if I was you, is to check out websites of some established sports betting affiliates and model your site around theirs. There is a reason why most affiliate sites follow similar approaches (reviews, tables, ratings, lists, game previews, odds ..). It's simply a formula that is proven to work.

    I agree with everything that sweetbet, Mikew, DanHorvat and wonderpunter have said and here are some more ideas:


    • Top 10 Upsets in NFL History: Find historical odds and add something like "Did you know that [insert sportsbook] offered odds of XX for a Giants win"? They are now offering [insert bonus] ...
    • Top 10 Football Villains – The Players We Love To Hate: Add odds for Ronaldo getting a red card in the next game or for Suarez launching another bite attack. You get the idea ...


    If you want to turn this into a sports betting portal, then you should move the betting category to the first spot in the menu. It will make a difference in how Google perceives your website. Needless to say that you will need much more betting-related quality content.

    If you want to go the social route, then you could consider publishing top 10 lists on betting-related stuff. "Top 10 best bets ever that you have missed", "Top 10 bets for the next week", "Top 10 worst days for bookies" ...

    In any case .. it's an extremely crowded niche and you will need a lot of stamina to see results. But where there is a will there is a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    I agree with Dan.. not too many people into both types of football however there are many football players that also like soccer?? you are trying to cross >Non U.S with US Traffic for the same keywords but different meanings.. not sure how googles algo will see that but personally I would concentrate on the AM football.. much much bigger earnings
    Tha is exactly what my intention was, to target both US and European football. I know euro football has a fairly big following, in the US, more than am football has in the UK and europe. I wanted to have a common area for both to converge. Sometimes ideas seem very grand in your head, but when put into operation, there are a number of short comings.

    I also wanted the idea of when a search for football was done, it would direct both uk and us here. As of now only the football villains and superstitions are on page 1 and page 2 of google. And to be honest, i don't even know how that works.

    I have to learn the SEO side of things, but it hard to sift through the BS and the facts.

    Thanks for your input Wonderpunter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casaffiliate View Post
    Brandon, I have browsed a bit through your site and here are my thoughts...

    The main problem I see is that the site is primarily oriented towards a social crowd but that you want to monetize it by promoting sportsbooks. Your content is quite shareable on social networks but I'm not sure that this is the crowd you really want. I'm not saying it's impossible to get enough depositors with your type of content but you will need huge amounts of this 'untargeted' traffic to make it work. You might get the odd depositor but if you want to earn consistent affiliate income then you should consider changing some things ...

    What you really want is targeted traffic. Visitors who are interested in sports betting. I'll take 10 targeted visitors (searching for betting-related terms in Google) over 1000 untargeted visitors any day. Just think about it ... loads of people visit sites like ZergNet or Buzzfeed to kill some time with top 10 lists but no matter what the product, these visitors are usually not in the mood to spend money.

    What I would do if I was you, is to check out websites of some established sports betting affiliates and model your site around theirs. There is a reason why most affiliate sites follow similar approaches (reviews, tables, ratings, lists, game previews, odds ..). It's simply a formula that is proven to work.

    I agree with everything that sweetbet, Mikew, DanHorvat and wonderpunter have said and here are some more ideas:


    • Top 10 Upsets in NFL History: Find historical odds and add something like "Did you know that [insert sportsbook] offered odds of XX for a Giants win"? They are now offering [insert bonus] ...
    • Top 10 Football Villains – The Players We Love To Hate: Add odds for Ronaldo getting a red card in the next game or for Suarez launching another bite attack. You get the idea ...


    If you want to turn this into a sports betting portal, then you should move the betting category to the first spot in the menu. It will make a difference in how Google perceives your website. Needless to say that you will need much more betting-related quality content.

    If you want to go the social route, then you could consider publishing top 10 lists on betting-related stuff. "Top 10 best bets ever that you have missed", "Top 10 bets for the next week", "Top 10 worst days for bookies" ...

    In any case .. it's an extremely crowded niche and you will need a lot of stamina to see results. But where there is a will there is a way.


    That is exactly my concept, untargeted traffic, although I did not know there was a name for it. It is designed to attract ordinary football fans, who on reading articles and viewing the site, can probably gain the confidence to place a bet.

    from the stats on the my site, what you have said is EXACTLY TRUE - many visitors however no follow through.

    I know the niche is crowded and now that I i know the difference with targeted and un-targeted traffic, i have an idea.


    I still maintain the top10 blog, but not on the home page, probably a widget with VISIT OUR BLOG and links throughout our site, and hope google and the other search engines do the rest. Cater for the Un-targeted users. This would help get the top10.football name out there in the world, and then build up some familarity.

    Based on all of the advice from you guys above, i will re-do the home page, with the top10 football sports-books. This should cater for the targeted users. And then, if one of these users remember an article from the blog, or remember the name, chances of a conversion are high.

    Thanks casaffiliate, you should consider being a consultant, I can see people paying good money for this type of advice.
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    These wordpress tables are so hard to manipulate!!!! - Trying to convert the home page from the magazine look, to more of a football betting site. Probably should get sleep.
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