Dmoz Fraud and Gaming The System

[Former Member 14]

Very good point and having met Brian in person, I have come to the same conclusion.

I very much doubt Bryan would view me in the light you and CPA are attempting to portray. But as per usual my exact words were taken out of context by webzcas and re-spun to bash me.

The assignation (ultimately closing down) of both JFK and Martin Luther King Jr were committed by gun. However the similarities in those who take total umbrage over my stance to fight the wrong doers of injustice, is clearly evident in this thread and those I stand up against.

Such people feel threatened and scared. They realise I can't be bought - I wont sell out or let people sweep things under the proverbial carpet and stay silent. Otherwise there would be no need to enter into attempts to assassinate my character by twisting my words and attempting to hide by covering their tracks.

Martin Luther King Jr
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter.

Winston Churchill
Have "you got enemies? Good that means you stood up for something".


Cheers



Dave

[AK]

All the sites I have listed offer quality to the areas of the directory I have listed. I stand by each and every site I have listed and my reasoning for doing so. Again, if you have evidence of editor abuse, please report it.

Jimmy Carter would have said something very similar. According to the DMOZ rules it might not be abuse but at a minimal its unethical.. Webzcas, you got caught with your pants down take responsibility and go from there.

[Former Member 14]

Is there any proof?

Yes we have more than enough proof.

when can we see it?

Although I'm more than happy to release proof, it would be irresponsible of anyone to post what we have to a public forum. It would clearly provide unknown people with means to mimic a similar strategy.

I can not speak for Arkyt, but without trusting the source we share this information with, it could fall into the wrong hands.

Plus...Arkyt also needs input in his response to these questions.



Cheers



Dave

[Webzcas]

Jimmy Carter would have said something very similar. According to the DMOZ rules it might not be abuse but at a minimal its unethical.. Webzcas, you got caught with your pants down take responsibility and go from there.

Oh wow another numpty.

I am going to make a couple of comments and points.

1) Firstly please post this proof of this alleged conspiracy and also report any editorial abuse to DMOZ.

2) The only ones with their pants down are you, Aussie Dave and Arkyt.

Now lets see, Aussie Dave and Arkyt both suffer from Affiliate Darwinism. Arkyt has been proved to rip off design material from eCOGRA and take on multiple personalities on WOL. Aussie Dave on the otherhand has a very chequered history, which yes Dave I am all too aware of.

As for you Alan, you seem to have a bit of a history of selling databases, ripping people off and the such like.

http://forum.bettingadvice.com/showthread.php?t=27936
http://mb.winneronline.com/showthrea...ear#post117702

Please for the final time. STOP JUDGING OTHERS BY YOUR OWN LOW UNETHICAL STANDARDS.

Post this supposed evidence of editor corruption and file an abuse report to DMOZ. Or alternatively stop polluting this forum.

Thanks

[Betpartners]

Yes we have more than enough proof.

Although I'm more than happy to release proof, it would be irresponsible of anyone to post what we have to a public forum. It would clearly provide unknown people with means to mimic a similar strategy.

I can not speak for Arkyt, but without trusting the source we share this information with, it could fall into the wrong hands.

Plus...Arkyt also needs input in his response to these questions.

Thanks for the response AussieDave

So if i am right, you have proof but cannot show it publicly.

Dave let me ask, what is to stop anyone else coming on here and doing the same thing, as an example what is to stop someone coming on here saying BetPartners and AussieDve have set up a dodgy white label and are ripping affiliates off, they swear they have proof but cannot show it publicly.

Also Dave do you not think it is wrong of anyone to publicly make allegations when they know they cannot provide public proof to back up their public accusations.

Surely a more appropriate and dare i say ethical way would have to have shown the proof to someone that can act on it, like senior editor at DMOZ and keep it private when you know that proof cannot be shown publicly.

If it is allowed that anyone can make public allegations but then be unable to sustantiate those allegations then the GPWA will just be a clearing house for unproven slander.

In conclusion then, the way i see it as things stand is that accusations have been made publicly and there is no proof shown to back them accusations up

Would that be a correct summary

[Former Member 14]

In typical webzcas fashion, you avoid the curly questions and once again continue to play court jester, thinking your a Kingpin.

As far as the dirt and bully boy antics.
Go try this on someone else you don't intimidate me.

However if you want to play hard ball and dig the dirt, I too have more than enough info on you and that motley crew in your alliance to follow suit. By the time I'm finished it will put an entirely new meaning to the words dodgy, unethical and rogue.


Cheers



Dave

[Jamie - RateMyCasino]

If this sort of accusation can be made in public, and people put to shame publicly. Its only fair and ethical that proof be shown publicly. If you accuse someone of something back it up! Simply saying 2 people have the proof isn't enough.

This has been made public by you Dave, no offence to you personally. But because its a serious accusation it really wouldn't matter what the proof is at this stage. It will either backup what you are saying and show unethical behavior, or it will show this to be nothing more than a personal attack.

I don't know any of you, but from what i am seeing by people posting i know what side of the fence i am sitting. If proof is shown then as Betpartners stated, memberships need to be suspended if this proof backups or not. This one can't be left to slide.

If GPWA do not step in here on this matter and act after the proof is shown, then i will cancel my membership. Because this time round people need to be held accountable, and this sort of accusation cannot be left to slide.

[AK]

Oh wow another numpty.

I am going to make a couple of comments and points.

1) Firstly please post this proof of this alleged conspiracy and also report any editorial abuse to DMOZ.

2) The only ones with their pants down are you, Aussie Dave and Arkyt.

Now lets see, Aussie Dave and Arkyt both suffer from Affiliate Darwinism. Arkyt has been proved to rip off design material from eCOGRA and take on multiple personalities on WOL. Aussie Dave on the otherhand has a very chequered history, which yes Dave I am all too aware of.

As for you Alan, you seem to have a bit of a history of selling databases, ripping people off and the such like.

http://mb.winneronline.com/showthrea...ear#post117702


Post this supposed evidence of editor corruption and file an abuse report to DMOZ. Or alternatively stop polluting this forum.

Thanks

A typical Jimmy Carter type, try and discredit me all you want I'm not the one on trial here. I'm sure I have a few webmasters and affiliate programs that will back me any day of the week

[AK]

Jamie, If you cannot read in this thread and do a little easy common sense research for "proof" then I question your ability in life in general. It's going to get ugly within the next 60 days. That's one thing I can promise You.. I could care less, I simply viewed thread noticed they finally got outed for there actions and made a few threads. Personally I could care less. More then anything it's comical how some are raised not to except responsibility for there own actions. Act stupid all you want just makes the sick look better.

If this sort of accusation can be made in public, and people put to shame publicly. Its only fair and ethical that proof be shown publicly. If you accuse someone of something back it up! Simply saying 2 people have the proof isn't enough.

This has been made public by you Dave, no offence to you personally. But because its a serious accusation it really wouldn't matter what the proof is at this stage. It will either backup what you are saying and show unethical behavior, or it will show this to be nothing more than a personal attack.

I don't know any of you, but from what i am seeing by people posting i know what side of the fence i am sitting. If proof is shown then as Betpartners stated, memberships need to be suspended if this proof backups or not. This one can't be left to slide.

If GPWA do not step in here on this matter and act after the proof is shown, then i will cancel my membership. Because this time round people need to be held accountable, and this sort of accusation cannot be left to slide.

[Jamie - RateMyCasino]

I question your ability in life in general.

You question me because i am not siding with you and question what I am reading? I am newish here mate. Expressing my opinions and from what i see there isn't alot of proof in this thread, just simple accusations with no proof.

Don't start attacking me just because i am questioning what you guys are writing! If you don't want people commenting or asking questions about what you are claiming then don't make claims.

I am simply saying, People want proof to these claims. Show it or shut up.

[Betpartners]

If you cannot read in this thread and find enough proof I question your ability in life in general. It's going to get ugly within the next 60 days.

AK What proof mate? I have seen absolutely none at all, just accusations.

Accusations do not constitute proof, anyone can make accusations, but without proof they are nothing more than just slander.

I do not think it is a lot to ask for, if accusations are made publicly then they should be proven publicly.

Accusations and name calling and all that are now irrelevant, proof is what is needed now and based on that proof or lack of it, will determine who in reality here is unethical.

[alexpratt]

This is the most stupid thread ever - And yes you are getting a lot of views because of how soap opera like it is.... Its the reason i keep coming back with a cup of tea and a biscuit....

Its just the most odd thing I have EVER read in a forum - IMHO the concept that Webcaz, Corfman, Dom, Casinomeister, et al are in some kind of conspiracy is just so far from the truth its more than funny! These are by a million miles the people that have selflessly helped this sector in so many ways it would go on forever to list them....

Dave and Arkyt - Just do 1 of 2 things
1) Post proof
2) Sign up as an editor
3) Make a formal complaint with your proof

Only think I would say Webcaz has done wrong is to call you a numpty which fuels the fire but at the end of the day I can see why as you are basically trying to discredit him with absolutely no proof!

[alexpratt]

Jamie, If you cannot read in this thread and do a little easy common sense research for "proof" then I question your ability in life in general. It's going to get ugly within the next 60 days. That's one thing I can promise You.. I could care less, I simply viewed thread noticed they finally got outed for there actions and made a few threads. Personally I could care less. More then anything it's comical how some are raised not to except responsibility for there own actions. Act stupid all you want just makes the sick look better.

AK in my experience is a good guy and doesn't have an agenday - However I also say there is no proof in this thread and if its so easy to find post it?

[AK]

You question me because i am not siding with you and question what I am reading? I am newish here mate. Expressing my opinions and from what i see there isn't alot of proof in this thread, just simple accusations with no proof.

Don't start attacking me just because i am questioning what you guys are writing! If you don't want people commenting or asking questions about what you are claiming then don't make claims.

I am simple saying, People want proof to these claims. Show it or shut up.

Hi Jamie, Sorry if my comment was an attack.. A good poster attacks the post and not the poster so want to apologize for that. On the other hand I could care less if you agree with me or not, this isn't my war. I'm sorta like You, eye catching title so decided to read... I have just happened to hear a few other webmasters complain about this to me before. I could care less what there doing ethically or unethically to get a bump in Google but for the best of the industry they should resign from there editor positions and remove there websites.

[Jamie - RateMyCasino]

Hi Jamie, Sorry if my comment was an attack.. A good poster attacks the post and not the poster so want to apologize for that. On the other hand I could care less if you agree with me or not, this isn't my war. I'm sorta like You, eye catching title so decided to read... I have just happened to here several other webmasters complain about this. I could care less what there doing ethically or unethically to get a bump in google.

Thanks for your apology, but i still stand by my comment. Proof needs to be posted or this topic needs to be closed. Enough is enough. Why resign if the accusers aren't prepaid to post proof. I wouldn't resign based on gossip and i call it gossip because there has been nothing to show me otherwise.

[Former Member 14]

Post this supposed evidence of editor corruption

That's where you keep shooting yourself in the foot.
You talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

If I had a dollar for every time you've said words to the affect...You applied for a dmoz editor position to make it a quality resource to improve its listings...blah...blah...blah. In affect you make claims to only have the the best interests at heart for the dmoz directory and the categories you edit.

If that was truly so, you'd understand the security risk this information may contain which could ultimately be used by anyone viewing these docs in a public environment. However all your talk is just that, hot air and your lips flapping in the breeze., whilst high 5'ing yourself for being the court jester.

When push comes to shove all of it is a moot point to you, your more than happy to risk a security breach at the expense of the dmoz directory.

As far as taking this through the proper channels, it's already been done!

However being the all knowing, all clued up dmoz editor you claim to be, you'd also know, these serious allegations MUST go through proper channels. To do this, Time Warner is the owner of Netscape Communications, and they in turn control the ODP.

A submission to this channel has already been submitted with evidence and any URL's I deemed relevant to provide further proof to gaming the dmoz categories.

Being Mr know it all...You'd also realise it can take up to 30 days for a supervisor to make direct contact with me.

Once this time line expires, I then have the option to submit a written and formally signed complaint, which would be received by the Ethical Practices and eventually find its way to the legal affairs management department.

At this point it goes into the hands of the "Ethics Board'.

As they say, "The wheels of justice turn slowly but they are turning."

The entire process can take up to 90 days or more to me completed. It's a large Corporate Business who controls the ODP and that comes with a lot of red tape and guidelines to follow.

As I said to Michael and I reiterate to you webzcas and anyone else who maybe gaming the system in the gambling dmoz categories.

If you, webzcas or any other editor within the gambling categories has not been doing this, you've got nothing to worry about, hey!

Edit: For completeness all URL's have been submitted using cached content as well as current URL's. For posterity and to preserve authenticity time stamped screen caps of websites have been taken, burnt to CD and mailed to myself by registered mail, which will accompany the formal letter to ODP Ethics Board.



Cheers



Dave

[Webzcas]

I nominate your post above as POST of the MILLENIUM.

That is absolutely priceless.



Someone please pick me up off the floor.

[Webzcas]

Back to the real world and leaving Aussie Dave Land for a moment.

Seeing as no one can be bothered to post any proof. Like the thread on Affiliate Guard Dog before, I have personally reported this thread to the meta community.

No need to thank me

TIME WARNER LOLOLOLOLOL

[arkyt]

AussieDave and Arkyt have accused Wezcas, Michael Corfman and Kaus of being corrupt, that is what they have alleged....

Is there any proof? and if there is when can we see it?

For the record, thus far Kaus has not been part of any audit I have been a member of participating in; nor has Michael - least not as an editor - yet.

As for proof - that needs to go through the proper channels prior to being posted here....As you might expect, it has been submitted to dmoz for review. We can only hope that the industry associated gate-keeper (senior dmoz editor) with obvious ties to this alliance doesn't get his hands on the report prior to those who really care about whats going on.

Internal editor logs are not going to be shared here, but anyone can see obvious signs of suspicion by simply reviewing the dmoz categories and seeing who is listed where - then by looking at those listed sites and see who they link to in the footer of their home pages. When some of these "ethical" (yah right) affiliates have 2,3,4,5+ sites listed in dmoz many linking to the editor on their homepage - I reserve the right to take into consideration that this "conflict of interest" alliance is clearly affecting all of us!

Once this has been dealt with internally - additional information will be posted ... until then I'm out so I can go rip off ecogra!

[TheCPA]

The way I see it, there cannot be any real factual proof on something like this.

The decisions of the Editors are subjective based on DMOZ guidelines.

The fact that a couple of people don't happen to feel like some Editors are properly following those guidelines doesn't prove anything, or even make their opinion valid.

Clearly Micheal went to the extreme in his category probably just to accomodate this very thing. He listed direct competitors to ensure no bias on his part. Commendable, IMO.

Webcaz may not have gone to the same extreme, but that certainly doesn't mean his decisions are corrupt.

As for this linking conspiracy, that is ridiculous too, and if Dom was involved, you'd think she would know about it, wouldn't you?! LMAO
Clearly she didn't, and I believe her. I don't happen to agree with the opinion that there is some kind of grand linking conspiracy.

Tons and Tons of people link up. Why wouldn't top sites want to link together? That's to be expected regardless of who is an Editor or listed in the DMOZ. Not one thing wrong with it and absent the DMOZ, I imagine all these guys would be linked up anyway cause it JUST makes good business sense for them to do so.

So much for conspiracy theories.
Good Grief, should VOLUNTEER DMOZ editors be expected to essentially harm their own good businesses and not link to other good sites that they would be able to otherwise?

That's what I hear. You're an Editor, so you have to disadvantage your own business or we will call it a conspiracy, Fraud, and Corrupt.

There seems to be past personal agendas at work here too, otherwise this would have been properly handled in private communications between Aussie Dave, Arkdt, Webcaz and Michael.
Proper complaint channels provided by the DMOZ would have been utilized as well.

This whole thread is just WAY WRONG, and now there is no way out of it. LMAO
Serious accusations have been made Webcaz, Michael, Dom, Casinomeister, and a couple of others, and I don't see any way to substanciate them with anything other than conclusions drawn from personal opinions based on unreasonable, unrealistic standards of exaggerated Morals and Ethics.