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    Hi Guys

    I need some advice here please as I am not sure what I should do.

    Asides from our Affiliate Business we do content writing - slot reviews, casino reviews, articles etc.

    We have a good bunch of clients that we write for, and they have always paid us on time until one particular client.

    I will call him TM.

    Over the years I have dealt with TM a handful of times regarding various link deals and he has always paid up - always a good few weeks late, but he still paid.

    In August he approached me to write a bunch of slot reviews and articles for him - 50 000 words. We delivered the articles and he paid ( again 3 weeks late but that was ok )

    At the beginning of September he then asked me to write another 70 000 words and told me these articles where very urgent and there would even be a bonus in it if we completed them within a week. Myself and my team worked our butts off to deliver the
    70 000 words and still managed to deliver them before the due date.

    I sent a Paypal invoice as usual, but no payment came. After the usual 3 weeks I sent him a reminder and he replied to say he was on vacation. Ok, no problem, said he would be back the following Sunday.

    Sunday came and went, no payment.

    I then gave him another week and sent another reminder.

    He then advised he had no internet connection

    Another week or so passed by, sent him another reminder.

    This time he said he had been very sick but would get to the payment.

    I waited another 3 weeks and sent another email ( we are talking an amount in excess of $2000 which is a fair amount of money, and bear in mind I have already outlaid money to pay my content writers for the reviews they did for me )

    He has now stopped responding to emails altogether and of course no payment.

    Now my dilemma is that maybe he genuinely is sick and this is why there has been no payment, and if this is the case, then it would not be fair of me to name and shame him on a public forum. However the fact that he was already making excuses like being on vacation, no internet connection etc prior to this is a bit worrying.

    But on the other hand, if I don't warn other members, he may approach or have already approached other members here requesting content and also not pay them too.

    If you were in my shoes what would you do?

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    Sounds like he's not being honest with you and stalling to pay up. You say that he's pulled this nonsense on you in the past. I would give him a warning to make the payment or otherwise, I'll speak out publicly against him.

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    I'd say let them know that you are about to "out" them on GPWA if you don't receive payment or come to some agreement soon.

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    I reckon he takes your kindness for weakness, or he simply doesn't have money. As Cash Bonus suggests, send him a warning, and if he pays, never provide him with your service again and let others know here. Personally, I would avoid anyone that promises me something but does late or only after sending reminders. I always pay for links or content within 1 hour of receiving it, no matter where I am, or i'm drunk or sick as long as i'm happy with everything. It takes only 2 min to open a PayPal app and make a payment.
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    If you wrote the same article with the name included it is not even shaming. It would be just an objective statement about what happened.

    The counterparty likely is a scammer and he will play a victim. And few people will believe to him. But that is his and their problem.

    In the end it is as always: either you do not want to have a conflict and pay 2k+ for it or you will feel some negativity with a slight chance of getting something back.

    I actually feel better just to inform about scams. I do not care if someone maybe is sick and can not even send a message. Being sick does not mean he is offline.
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    It's a difficult one. You have a history with this person and he has always paid in the past, until now.

    You never truely know what is going on in someones life. It may be he has some serious problems but doesn't feel able to reveal the trurth for whatever reason.

    Just posting this is enough for others to question people they work with more closely and perhaps in the future change the payment terms to be upfront or 50-50 to reduce the risk of this type of thing happenning. We all have cash flow, so that is not an unreasonable request.
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    Did he use the articles?

    If he had the internet connection to post the articles you sent him, he probably isn't too sick or busy to pay. Is he active here or or anywhere else?

    If you do eventually get paid, and want to work him/her/them again, get paid upfront or refuse the work.

    Naming names is a last resort, it can never be 'unsaid'.

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    This is why I have trust issues. Whenever I work on a freelancing project, I always make sure the money is in the middle before I start the project. You should at least let the administrators of the forum know about this person. Maybe there are some personal issues going on with the said person, or maybe just a scam.

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    I think that name and shame is a dangerous path to go down to.

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    We've know each other for literally 1.5 decades, and frankly, in this industry, your one of the most passive, reasonable people I know. I've seen you wear situations which would cause most people (myself included) to loose their sh#t. However, no matter how bleak it looked, you've always stayed calm.

    Obviously this member doesn't give two hoots about you Heather.

    Unless one is in hospital with tubes sticking out of them, or worse, not with us anymore, there's no excuse not send notification, if or when something unforeseen pops up and upsets one's apple-cart. There are multiple ways to contact people these days

    Work is work, and payment should be made for said work, ASAP after completion.

    Avoiding to honour such payment, is both unprofessional, and worse just bad manners.

    We all have enough drama with programs etc., without worry about a member shafting us too.

    I'd out this person without a 2'nd thought!
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    It does look as if you have acted entirely reasonably so far, overly so. As has been said, you never really know for sure what's going on with someone, and if maybe there are legitimate reasons. All probably reasons why you have given the chances you have done, I suspect. Err on the side of seeing the positives in someone as opposed to negatives.

    In this case, it does sound as if you have gone far enough. Although there is always that small risk that there is some form of understandable background. Still, whatever that is (if it does exist), you'd think the 'offender' would at least have given the explanation.

    There used to be a way to see the last time someone logged in to the forum. Don't know if it still exists. If it does, you could check last log in. If the person concerned has logged in, then they'll have seen this (or you could safely assume they have)...in which case if they haven't made at least some form of positive explanatory contact, then I'd say out them.

    If they are the type that historically never frequented the forum much anyway, then it would seem you have no option. If there do turn out to be valid reasons, they can explain on the thread. Maybe you could make one last contact that says 'you've left me no choice, this is what I'm going to do'


    Following on from that...even if it's 'successful'...you then have the moral dilemma (or you could say moral obligation) that says you should name anyway so that someone else might avoid falling into the same situation. Again, the person concerned can make their own explanation to everybody on what happened.

    The big risk with all this is...if the person is dishonorable...then once they are outed they have lost one of the incentives to settle up. And it's easier to disappear. But that would seem to make no sense over a sum as 'small' as $2k.

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    I don't understand why you didn't ask for a prepayment? You've had to chase the payments several times, and this was a bigger than usual order?

    For me, this looks like your client run out of money. We've had the same story a couple of months ago with another (or maybe the same) member here (coincidentially with the initials TG, see this post here: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/does-anyo...uy-257773.html). I'm amazed that you didn't see this thread?

    Anyway, I'd approach him once again, show the link to this thread, and ask for an instant payment and a payment schedule for the reminder. And in the future only accept orders after a prepayment.
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    Name and shame indeed!

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    Thank you to everyone for the advice and comments and Thank you Dave for the compliment
    I have always tried to give people the benefit of the doubt and sometimes it has been to my detriment but I do try and see the good in everyone. LOL, Naive some may call it!!

    After taking all the advice into account I have decided not to publicly mention his name but I have told admin his name and his initials are TM, so if anyone gets approached by someone with those initials wanting content, then feel free to pm me for more details.

    Strider, You are right in terms of me not asking for a prepayment. Had he been a new client, then I would have done, but considering I had dealings with him before, I figured I was safe. I knew that he always paid late, and I did take this into account, but figured I could live for 3 weeks without the payment. Obviously in hindsight, had I known this would happen, then I definitely would have asked for a prepayment!!

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    I have decided not to publicly mention his name but I have told admin his name and his initials are TM, so if anyone gets approached by someone with those initials wanting content, then feel free to pm me for more details.

    That seems like a fairly decent trade. Least this way you may still get paid. So fingers crossed for you

    I'm racking my brain for TM... lol
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    At the outset of this, we had been made aware of the situation and the parties involved, and honored the discretion chosen by Heather.

    As others have mentioned, sometimes there are unexpected things that may happen in a person's life that prevent completing a previous obligation and it is good to allow a bit of extra time in case that could be a factor here.

    As is normal course we prefer to allow the parties to work toward a solution privately, and if or when there is no solution presented, additional steps might be taken. In all cases where payments are involved, we hope that it turns out in the end to only be payment delays and not a complete payment avoidance.

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    He then advised he had no internet connection
    At this point I would be posting the name.. this is a blatant lie unless he's somewhere in the North Pole,

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    The name was obviously mentioned; it is the TravG. I really do not understand what is the point of dancing around the white elephant in the room. Not to feel guilty by OP probably.

    And yes, I was now during 14 days nearly always without internet connection. So I set up things to not annoy anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    The name was obviously mentioned; it is the TravG. I really do not understand what is the point of dancing around the white elephant in the room. Not to feel guilty by OP probably.

    And yes, I was now during 14 days nearly always without internet connection. So I set up things to not annoy anyone.
    I have done biz with him before, Always been a straight up guy.. I did just check his sites out.. looks like he took a massive hit to traffic which would probably explain whats happend, I think he has got himself into a financial problem with traffic being vaporised.. anyhow if he's reading and needs some help send me a pm, might be able to give you some tips on how to get back on track..

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    Although my discretion promise stands.

    I must say that it is NOT TravG, as it is not fair to him to imply that it is.

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