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    I got an email today from DSI that I think all affiliates should see. I can not believe what I am reading. They are planning on moving my affiliate commision from 35% to 15%, just because they want to. I dont care what their terms say, this was not the right way to handle it.

    Truth be told, I have not been converting that well there. But, that is because their processing is **** and they just dont convert (several reasons which I wont bother to list). They convert 10% as good as what my main sportsbooks do, and they think its my fault.

    Here is the email:

    Due to recent events within the Online Gaming industry we regret to inform you that your commissions have been dropped to 15% rev share effective immediately. This is due in part to our ever rising operating costs to service players, but is mostly due to your lack of marketing efforts as they relate to your partnership with BetDSI. We have found that in the last 365 days you have referred less than the expected amount of traffic that would justify staying on your current revenue share percentage and thus we are forced to take action. Please know that this is not a personal attack on you as this decision is affecting the entire affiliate program and all of our affiliates. We simply feel that in a true partnership both parties need to contribute to the partnership and grow with each other. If this is not happening then it becomes extremely difficult to justify the arrangement as it is no longer a true partnership.


    The bright side of all of this is that due to the recent policy changes from other leading U.S. facing sports books it is now easier than ever to send traffic and conversions to BetDSI. If you are interested in becoming more active in your efforts to promote BetDSI and would like to have a talk about your plans and how we can work together to increase both your traffic and rev share please feel free to contact one of our affiliate managers who will be more than happy to speak with you.


    They sent me this without even trying to talk to me or ask me about their traffic. They did not ask me to move them up, they did not ask why I moved them down, and they did not ask me about anything else. They just decide to do what the hell they want to and did not send me any other email other then this one.

    Their terms say this:

    * We reserve the right to raise or lower any affiliates' commission rate solely at Management’s discretion.

    But, can they not at least talk to me? Can they not tell me first and let me try to make my case? I dont care what their terms say, they are wrong for doing this and not at least talking to me first.
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    LOL, I just became an affiliate on May 30, 2011 and I got the same email. Do ya think not being an affiliate for 363 of those days was a good reason not to bring in the traffic they would like me to have brought in? Scum Bags. I starting to think this industry is going down the tubes, sorry!

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    I read about this earlier at pal but am confused. is this for affiliates who have been registered a while and not done much biz, or for newly signed up affiliates too?

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    I been an affilaite there since 2007 and they gave me the 10% hack. First they charge 10% off Deposit for fees then drop 15% in commission. At the end of the day you are getting 5% commission. If that dont scare you off nothing else will, maybe except after you work with them to bring them even more customers and get the "Bookmaker" 10 min rule per week to withdrawl after they take your customers.

    Totally Ridiculas!

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    Considering what a moaning bugger I can be about many things, it's surprising how some things don't bother me so much. I've had a couple of merchants drop my rev-share percentage over the years - usually without telling me, so at least they let you know. My approach is just to promote them even less. If they get in touch asking for an increase in cover, I tell them to bugger off and explain why.

    Remove them in their entirety, is my advice.
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    With the warnings that I have given in the past regarding these scum bags, I am a little surprised and shocked that anyone still promotes them.

    Don't worry even if you sent 100 players a month they would still find an excuse to rip you off so it's not like you are doing something wrong.

    Not sure how many warnings people need regarding this scum bag operation. So you are still going to promote them at 15? Well even if they paid you 5% which they probably will the same time next year, they will find a way to not pay you whats owed in the end.

    For those who don't know this is the same book as bookmaker, on a good note they rip players off just as much so it's all good.
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    I just got an email from my affiliate manager, and I guess I jumped the gun a little bit. They only moved my commission down on an old account that had no activity. I did not have my password to check my account because I lost it when they moved domains. That and I did not know that I even had 2 accounts, so I just assumed that it was my big account that they were changing.

    They do make me a good bit of money each month, and if I stay at my current commission, then I will have no problem promoting them. They have always paid me fast and performed better then most other USA sportsbooks. I do not convert that well there, but my players have been betting there a long time and the retention is great. This is actually where I do all of my betting. If their conversions were where they once were then I would list them as my number 1 or 2 sportsbook.

    I know alot of affiliates have a bad taste in their mouth when it comes to DSI, and I really cant blame you after their 10 player rule. But, this is the only time I have had a problem with them and it turns out that it was me just jumping the gun because of a email that was poorly written.

    I wish I would have talked to my affiliate manager first before posting this thread, but it is to late now. I just wanted to update the thread to let affiliates know that they are handling my situation.

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    I'd just drop them all together after an email like that. Or try talking to your AM and work something out.

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    Get used to changes like this. It is costing sportsbooks more money to process money. I know of other sportsbooks that have decreased the commission of their biggest affiliates like SBR.

    Face it, the industry is evolving and us affiliates will have to evolve with it or get out of the industry.

    As business guy, I don't see it as stealing. They are in business to make money. Like it or not, they have to adjust their commissions to ensure they stay profitable. I have been a salesman before and have had my commission plan restructured before. This isn't any different.

    Some sportsbooks are starting to carry negative balances while other's are cutting commission. It is a sign of the times and the industry we chose market. Sales and marketing isn't always easy. If you are doing business with sportsbooks that target the U.S., then I believe you must start rethinking your marketing plan to ensure profitability for both your and the sportsbooks you promote. After all, it is a partnership and not a one way street to your bank account.

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    Yeah, I got that email too. Like Buddy M, I only signed up with them a week or two back and during that time their original domain got seized and all banners stopped working for a few days, so it's not surprising that I haven't brought them players yet. Also their lines for UFC 130 were shockingly uncompetitive and as that's the site they are on, they didn't get a lot of exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casinoranking View Post
    With the warnings that I have given in the past regarding these scum bags, I am a little surprised and shocked that anyone still promotes them.

    Don't worry even if you sent 100 players a month they would still find an excuse to rip you off so it's not like you are doing something wrong.

    Not sure how many warnings people need regarding this scum bag operation. So you are still going to promote them at 15? Well even if they paid you 5% which they probably will the same time next year, they will find a way to not pay you whats owed in the end.

    For those who don't know this is the same book as bookmaker, on a good note they rip players off just as much so it's all good.
    I have never had a problem with DSI as an affiliate. I get paid all the time. Also, BookMaker and DSI are probably one of the best when it comes to paying out their players. I also use them for my action and have always been paid my winnings and they are two of my favorites for personal use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sports Investor View Post
    ...I have been a salesman before and have had my commission plan restructured before. This isn't any different...
    Were you consulted first and had an opportunity to discuss the restructure? Were you told the because of your lack of success your commission was being dropped? No need to answer, they are rhetorical questions.

    Sure, businesses have to change and this often involves actions that one of the parties doesn't like. What is so wrong about this is the fact the affiliates were just told it was changing and not being consulted beforehand. It's not stealing, it's just a bad way of doing business.

    They try and wriggle out of it being personal by saying it is affecting all affiliates. Based on subsequent posts, that doesn't seem to be the case. This is group not to be trusted from an affiliate perspective. They know nothing about a true partnership other than how to spell it.
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    Considering what a moaning bugger I can be about many things,
    What, Rob complain about something....nahhhh say it aint so....hmmmm he does have to sometimes, I mean if he didn't how could I ever take a day off from complaining....I mean SOMEONE has to do it.....lol

    I agree with the general sentiment, it's just plain wrong to make these kinds of changes to the commission structures without first discussing it with affiliates and then after the fact adding whatever marketing spin to it they want and sit back and say it's good for the affiliates....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvi View Post
    Were you consulted first and had an opportunity to discuss the restructure? Were you told the because of your lack of success your commission was being dropped? No need to answer, they are rhetorical questions.

    Sure, businesses have to change and this often involves actions that one of the parties doesn't like. What is so wrong about this is the fact the affiliates were just told it was changing and not being consulted beforehand. It's not stealing, it's just a bad way of doing business.

    They try and wriggle out of it being personal by saying it is affecting all affiliates. Based on subsequent posts, that doesn't seem to be the case. This is group not to be trusted from an affiliate perspective. They know nothing about a true partnership other than how to spell it.
    I know it was rhetorical, but I am going to answer it. I was not consulted about the change. It wasn't that I was not selling, in fact, I was doing very well. The thing is that the company wasn't doing so well. It wasn't fair to me. But I had no recourse. I wasn't asked about this proposal. I wasn't asked if I had a better solution. The President of the company told me how it was going to be. I had a choice: either take it or quit.

    Why does the sportsbook owe its affiliates a say in how they do business. I am not an employee of the sportsbook, they don't owe it to me to discuss changes that they are thinking about before implementing me. They run their business how they see fit. As an affiliate and private company myself, I have the right to either promote them or not.

    Because most sportsbook affiliate don't continuously market to their player, promoting a sportsbook is easier and less time consuming than being an actual salesman, and the commission is much better. Personally, I think some of gotten too comfortable with the income and, now that the industry is changing and the sportsbooks must evolve, some people don't know how to evolve with it.

    It is going to be harder to make the same money, and, to do so, I believe affiliates will have to work harder and be more creative. That will scare some people off and some will find it unfair. That is your right. But it is also the right of the sportsbook to change their affiliate program without your consultation.

    Your complaint that it isn't being equally distributed among affiliate and that isn't fair also doesn't hold merit, in my opinion. Better saleman earn higher commission in some companies. That is the way business is done. If you are bringing in $$$$ for a company, they will treat you better. I'm not saying that is right, but that is business.

    It's called business - it ain't fair and it ain't nice except when you are making $$$$$.

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    I think alot of people are not understanding whats most likely happening here.

    I speculate that this is simply a way some of these US brands are using to get the people they email (strategically picked) to stop promoting them in spotlight as well as cut affiliate percentages.

    Your outrage is what they want right now.

    A legit site like bodog has recently come out and asked certain high performing affiliates to get them out of lime-light.

    Other brands are using shady methods to achieve the same thing. They don't care if you're pissed and remove them. They want that to happen on the people who they email and why not lower your affiliate percentage at the same time?

    All of your 'remove the site statements' are simply part of the plan.

    Also, i don't think anyone in here mentioned that this brand is associated with Bookmaker (parent host)
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    I think this is a reasonable theory. But I do know of a sportsbook that has also decreased some of the commissions of their big affiliates only a couple months ago because of increasing costs in processing.

    It is quite possible that they are doing this in hopes that some people stop promoting them. The time of egos is over. Better off to fly under the radar and why I suggested finding a mid-level book on my blog.

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    this is still the case with bigger affiliates as you mention. Many of the affiliates who bodog has asked to pull them out of lime-light are affiliates sending alot of players, particularly US players.

    The brands that are open to US and are being more affiliate friendly either need alot of help to get players at all or are simply not worth promoting at this current time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addaminsane View Post
    The brands that are open to US and are being more affiliate friendly either need alot of help to get players at all or are simply not worth promoting at this current time.
    Good point and good way to look at it.

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