exercise/fitness/training - anyone taking part

[TBALinda]

Well done!!! I did a walk up the (vertical) mountain in my town, but still need to get my daily 50 push ups out of the way... Gaaah...

[DanHorvat]

Paleo diet is snake oil. If you want specific arguments just ask.

My tennis serve is getting powerful. Aces are pretty cool.

[TBALinda]

Yea, I do disagree with a lot regarding the Paleo diet, but what I agree with is to eat as clean as possible so from that point of view many paleo recipes work.

Well done on your tennis serve!

[Renee]

Yea, Insanity seems to be great for fat burning. My problem was (and is as this is the second baby) that I have a baby sucking all energy and fat out of me thanks to breastfeeding so I am skinnier than ever. So in need of muscle... And definitely in need of a new core! I will check out the ab ripper!

Id love to hear what program is big over there though! Its always fun to learn whats going on in different areas of the world. Im in Costa Rica and it seems like whatever is big in the states will be big here. Has the Paleo diet reached you guys already? (Or maybe I am just so far behind that its not a new thing anymore )

Ahhh I see.

Best way to put on muscle is to eat more than you're burning combined with your weights sessions. Breast feeding apparently burns up to 2000 calories a day which is more than most women's BMR so if you can, calculate your BMR and add an extra 100 calories (per day) to that for a week and see how you feel. If you're still not feeling energetic, raise it another 100 calories and test the waters. You can't put on muscle very quickly, so if you start to gain a lot of weight, it probably means you've gone too high and that's when you know to bring it down again.

I will PM you the popular program here. You might be able to get good use out of it. The weights program is awesome.

My gosh... I hope you are feeling better and thank god it didnt turn more serious!! What is the comp you are prepping for?

I'm prepping for 2 comps under the ANB federation in the fitness division: http://anb.com.au
Fitness is the next level above bikini. The difference is that fitness has 6 pack and separation in the quads. So more chiseled and defined.
The bikini girls just do their poses in a bikini. Fitness will do a bikini round as well as either a fitness wear round (one of my comps has this) OR a themewear round and evening wear round (the second comp has this). It's pretty exciting and the prep hasn't been as hard as I thought it would be, however I'm still 6 weeks out as of this weekend for the first comp and haven't done any kind of depletion yet so I'll let you know more about that when I get to it! I already know I get pretty emotional on a low carb diet so I imagine I'm not going to be fun to be around in the last 2 weeks with that plus water depletion. The best thing is that on the comp day I get to eat LOTS of carbs

banged out another 4.19 miles this morning, im getting there. hopefully get out on my bike again tomorrow morning

That's awesome. I can't wait to get back on my bike. Are you mapping your rides at all? Would be interested to see your routes.

Well done!!! I did a walk up the (vertical) mountain in my town, but still need to get my daily 50 push ups out of the way... Gaaah...

With those challenges, you can do them throughout the day right? Or do they have to be all at once?
You could separate them 10 at a time by doing them right before you make a tea/coffee or every time you go to the loo or something. That way you get them out of the way and you're still doing them and it doesn't seem like such a "chore".

Something else you could add that might seem like a bit of fun to it - Do all 50 today and see how long it takes you. In a week's time do them all at once again and see if you can beat your time. At least then you can see an improvement and will give you some motivation to keep doing them.

Paleo diet is snake oil. If you want specific arguments just ask.

My tennis serve is getting powerful. Aces are pretty cool.

Agreed. A lot of people fall into "fad" diets and find them unsustainable so they just go back to what they were doing.

All you have to do is make sure your diet is full of lean meats, fibrous vegetables, good fats and low GI carbs and if you want to snack on something naughty every few days you can. One bad meal wont ruin a diet, and one good meal doesn't make you healthy. Everything in moderation.

[DanHorvat]

Just eat whatever you want, and don't forget about salt and fat. Without salt you die, and fat is the purest form of energy. Do eat meat.

There are things that are water-soluble and things that are fat-soluble. Therefore you need fat tissue to dissolve them in, otherwise you can't process things like vitamins A, D, E and K. Having a fat-free body and a healthy body aren't necessarily the same thing.

Proteins are the building blocks of life, every process in your body is run by proteins. When you eat proteins you don't really get those same proteins but they get broken into amino acids, and then your body uses these amino acids to build the proteins you need. If you don't have the amino acid required, you can't build the protein, and the process stops.

When I see a person too lean I see an unhealthy person. When I hear someone say you shouldn't eat meat I see an idiot.

The trouble with this day and age is that you can be an idiot and still survive to reproduce. But when the going gets tough I'm the one still going while the sensitive and healthy boys and girls have to get hydrated and eat some carbs in the closest bakery. Screw that kind of health.

[thebookiesoffers]

Renee, all my routes are on mapmyrun still, going out on my bike in a bit but not too far as today is supposed to be a rest day and want to do another run tomorrow

[TBALinda]

Good morning from Costa Rica Done my hour of Zumba shaking and enjoyed my high protein breakfast with a lovely cup of green tea <3 Ready for anything now!

Just eat whatever you want, and don't forget about salt and fat. Without salt you die, and fat is the purest form of energy. Do eat meat.

I totally agree with you Dan on the salt and fat thing. Living in such a hot country as Costa Rica here they even do micheladas (beer with a salt rim and lime juice in it) which I think is partly to help people get enough salt (while being tasty as well of course!). Not that I have those very often... The whole no salt thing us such a trap, same with the no fat in your diet. Like you said, its an essential part to keep things working and nutrients absorbing, and also to keep your brain functioning. And yes, slim/skinny is not the same as healthy.


My challenge over here is to drink enough water. I think Im downing about 2liters a day of plain water, plus fresh fruit and vegetable shakes (I start my day with one and I have one as a snack in the afternoon). But its a bit of a challenge when you are working out/sweating as well as breastfeeding plus living in a hot climate. So I think I need to up the liquid amounts.

I'm prepping for 2 comps under the ANB federation in the fitness division: http://anb.com.au
Fitness is the next level above bikini. The difference is that fitness has 6 pack and separation in the quads. So more chiseled and defined.
The bikini girls just do their poses in a bikini. Fitness will do a bikini round as well as either a fitness wear round (one of my comps has this) OR a themewear round and evening wear round (the second comp has this). It's pretty exciting and the prep hasn't been as hard as I thought it would be, however I'm still 6 weeks out as of this weekend for the first comp and haven't done any kind of depletion yet so I'll let you know more about that when I get to it! I already know I get pretty emotional on a low carb diet so I imagine I'm not going to be fun to be around in the last 2 weeks with that plus water depletion. The best thing is that on the comp day I get to eat LOTS of carbs

O.M.G... :O Yikes! I am impressed... And how exciting! Well done Renee! I am sure you will kick a** even if I am pleased I dont have to be too close for your last 2 weeks of low carb diet... Hehe I think I would be a total whimp for the last two weeks, craving sugars especially. Good thing you have the carb feast to look forward to! But what a great way to motivate yourself and an excellent goal to have. I think having a goal is the most important thing, so you have something to work towards. What are you going to do after this contest? Do you have a larger goal or just this contest? My gosh I am so impressed!

[thebookiesoffers]

Renee, all my routes are on mapmyrun still, going out on my bike in a bit but not too far as today is supposed to be a rest day and want to do another run tomorrow

Ended up getting carried away, did 25 miles in 2.30 hours, really enjoyed it today

[pinkytoe]

Interesting to hear the arguments against a Paleo way of eating. Pretty sure if you are applying the correct meaning of Paleo then you are completely wrong.

Even without this, calling the misguided take on Paleo 'snake oil' is still pretty absurd considering it's place on the spectrum of 'diets'.

[Renee]

Renee, all my routes are on mapmyrun still, going out on my bike in a bit but not too far as today is supposed to be a rest day and want to do another run tomorrow

Ahh yes I will go check them out!

Ended up getting carried away, did 25 miles in 2.30 hours, really enjoyed it today

Booyah! That happens a lot while riding. It's just so enjoyable!
If you can get over to Sydney one November you should do the Sydney to Gong bike ride. It's 100km and goes through the national park. I did it last year and it was the best ride I've ever done. I enjoyed it so much. I may even do it again this year. Took 6 hours altogether, 4 without stops, but just a bloody awesome ride.

Just eat whatever you want, and don't forget about salt and fat. Without salt you die, and fat is the purest form of energy. Do eat meat.

There are things that are water-soluble and things that are fat-soluble. Therefore you need fat tissue to dissolve them in, otherwise you can't process things like vitamins A, D, E and K. Having a fat-free body and a healthy body aren't necessarily the same thing.

Proteins are the building blocks of life, every process in your body is run by proteins. When you eat proteins you don't really get those same proteins but they get broken into amino acids, and then your body uses these amino acids to build the proteins you need. If you don't have the amino acid required, you can't build the protein, and the process stops.

When I see a person too lean I see an unhealthy person. When I hear someone say you shouldn't eat meat I see an idiot.

The trouble with this day and age is that you can be an idiot and still survive to reproduce. But when the going gets tough I'm the one still going while the sensitive and healthy boys and girls have to get hydrated and eat some carbs in the closest bakery. Screw that kind of health.

Go Dan!

I have an instagram account where I post all my comp prep stuff and recently I have been getting followers who are chicks that WANT to be anorexic. It makes me pretty sad because looking at them they have the most beautiful bodies.

I also follow a girl who is a competitor but is far too lean for my liking. Because she doesn't have a great deal of muscle mass, she just looks like she is skinny. I don't like to judge but I feel sick for her whenever I see her photos.

Good morning from Costa Rica Done my hour of Zumba shaking and enjoyed my high protein breakfast with a lovely cup of green tea <3 Ready for anything now!

I totally agree with you Dan on the salt and fat thing. Living in such a hot country as Costa Rica here they even do micheladas (beer with a salt rim and lime juice in it) which I think is partly to help people get enough salt (while being tasty as well of course!). Not that I have those very often... The whole no salt thing us such a trap, same with the no fat in your diet. Like you said, its an essential part to keep things working and nutrients absorbing, and also to keep your brain functioning. And yes, slim/skinny is not the same as healthy.

My challenge over here is to drink enough water. I think Im downing about 2liters a day of plain water, plus fresh fruit and vegetable shakes (I start my day with one and I have one as a snack in the afternoon). But its a bit of a challenge when you are working out/sweating as well as breastfeeding plus living in a hot climate. So I think I need to up the liquid amounts.

It sounds like you have your diet under control. Although I would really say if you drink a lot of water/more than the DRI (daily recommended intake is apparently 2 litres per day plus a litre for each hour of exercise) you also need to make sure that you're replacing the stuff the water is flushing out. As Dan mentioned, things like salt especially will start to get flushed out when you drink a lot of water so although not in excess, you need to make sure you're accounting for that if you do drink more than the "recommended daily intake" for your body. Some water will also come from the food you're eating, and a cup of green tea or something still counts as water.

There is a guy who works in our office who does quite a lot of exercise and is quite fit, but after doing a half marathon once and combined with a couple of litres of water, he had to be taken to the hospital and put on a saline drip because his body was low on salt. I can't remember the exact name for it, but these things happen.

There was another time where on the radio in the morning they had a competition to see who could drink the most water during the show. The woman who drank the most ended up dying from water intoxication.
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan...cal/me-water14

Also, if you drink too much water at once, it just goes straight through.

O.M.G... :O Yikes! I am impressed... And how exciting! Well done Renee! I am sure you will kick a** even if I am pleased I dont have to be too close for your last 2 weeks of low carb diet... Hehe I think I would be a total whimp for the last two weeks, craving sugars especially. Good thing you have the carb feast to look forward to! But what a great way to motivate yourself and an excellent goal to have. I think having a goal is the most important thing, so you have something to work towards. What are you going to do after this contest? Do you have a larger goal or just this contest? My gosh I am so impressed!

I will admit, I don't crave things generally. While I'm not training for anything in particular, my diet is basically pretty healthy all week then on saturday i eat anything I felt like during the week. So if I feel like a chocolate bar or something, I just tell myself ill eat it on saturday. If I still feel like it on saturday, I eat it. If not, I dont. I find that works for me. Sometimes my saturday consists of so much crap, but I dont care because once a week is not going to make me unhealthy.

There are a few things I have on my list that I'd like to eat once I finish the second comp.
- Hot chips from a fish and chip shop. Not like Mcdonalds fries, but hand cut potatoes, deep fried, then with vinegar on them.
- Tacos. I could actually be having those on my "cheat meal" now but I have been going to my favourite pizza place instead because I just love the pizza there. Also, I'm eating so much meat right now that I'm happy having a margarita pizza for just one meal
I'm sure there are more but I can't think of them right now.

I have a friend who's birthday is 3 days after mine, so every year we have a "pie" date. So next Saturday night I will be having a meat pie, the only one I have all year and that will be part of my cheat meal that night. With tomato sauce.

I always find that having goals is one way to keep me motivated. I feel lost when I don't have a goal. The goals also make me a bit more disciplined.

I think after the comps I will reassess what I want to do. It really depends on my mental state of mind in the last couple of weeks and the first few weeks after. I don't want to turn into one of those people who are obsessed with being lean or get some kind of eating disorder. Not that I think I will because I have a pretty strong head, but I just want to see how it goes before I make any more decisions on whether I'll compete again next season.

I'm also studying at the moment so I need to get that finished before January so that might be my concentration for the few months after the comps.

Interesting to hear the arguments against a Paleo way of eating. Pretty sure if you are applying the correct meaning of Paleo then you are completely wrong.

Even without this, calling the misguided take on Paleo 'snake oil' is still pretty absurd considering it's place on the spectrum of 'diets'.

I went to a conference a couple of months ago by the Institute of Integrated Nutrition (they are based in New York). It was pretty interesting, but one of the things I took away that I always keep at the back of my mind is that different diets work for different people. Not everyone's body will react nicely to every diet, so everyone should stick to what works for them.

Why don't you explain why you think it's a good way of eating?

[pinkytoe]

Why don't you explain why you think it's a good way of eating?

It's not really up for debate. It is a good way of eating as Paleo is an understanding of food quality. The word Paleo and initial intention of the 'diet/lifestyle' was hijacked by media, marketers, people trying to differentiate and indeed to give people a blanket follow guide dumbed down to the most common denominators that will work. (E.g Low carb, Dairy free Diet).

Paleo is an understanding of food quality and knowing what works for you personally and how you operate on different food. It involves eating based on your body's needs. To anyone adopting this, it will most likely mean that you eat non-processed and organic food.

To someone over weight, they will understand that they do not need as many carbs because they have so much in reserve. The huge misconception is that Paleo is a low carb diet. It's not. It is an understanding of food quality and what works for you. I eat 50%-60% carbs most days and am fully Paleo. I train at a high intensity 4-5 times a week and could not possible function without eating like this. When I was overweight, I ate about 20% carbs.

Similar to what you took from he conference you went to - People do not always function well on Dairy or Legumes, but they are still perfectly acceptable to eat. The problem is 'what works for them' because most people don't have an understanding of food quality, I.e Paleo.

No one functions properly on a can of coke.

[thebookiesoffers]

4.33 miles ran (6.97km) this morning, getting easier and getting quicker, did it in 46mins, hoping to crack 5 miles soon

[DanHorvat]

The Paleo diet is based on the false premise that our metabolism is still in Paleolithic age. Paleo diet = The Secret = Da Vinci Code. Ancient mystery discovered. Living the old way.

But our metabolism didn't get stuck in the Paleolithic. We have evolved the ability to drink milk as adults, just to name one thing. And as it turns out, milk is healthy for us. Unless you're a mutant who can't digest lactose.

We're omnivores and you can eat anything you want. You don't need a steady supply of bamboo like pandas do. The agricultural revolution worked, and there are 7.3 billion of us now. Rice and wheat are the staple of humanity. A Snickers bar does give you quality instant energy.

Hunger is prevalent in the wild. Our ancestors were constantly hungry and malnutrition was the only thing they knew. They'd die very young, they were very weak, immune system was poor. People in the Paleolithic looked worse than a homeless drug addict living under a bridge.

"No processed foods". "Paleo lifestyle". Give me a break.

I'm big, strong and sometimes think I got an endless supply of energy plus some extra crazy energy in store. I drink milk, I eat gluten, I eat peanuts, I eat a lot of meat, I don't remove the skin from a chicken, and sometimes go for a long time without eating something "healthy". I'm 33 and still get perfect results from a blood test, as if I was 18. Blood pressure 120/80. I don't get sick.

I see idiots refusing to brush their teeth or see a dentist or use soap because they use "organic" things and are living the "natural" way. I can relate to the urge to live that way but ignorance isn't an argument. Call something organic and stupid people will buy it. And you got this new kind of idiots who refuse to get their kids vaccinated. These idiots and the Paleo people can engage in a heartwarming conversation about the horrors of the modern world.

"Understanding food quality" - who decides what's quality and what is not? You know nothing unless you know what's going on on the molecular level.

How do you know what your body needs? Are you studying things on a molecular level? Or is it just "I feel like eating lettuce" so you eat it? Or did you read that lettuce is good, and next year you'll read lettuce is bad so you'll stop eating it?

It's a load of crap, based on ignorance. The usual.

[DanHorvat]

I'm also studying at the moment

What are you studying?

[edgarf76]

What are you studying?

Dan, how do u feel since u stopped smoking cigarettes ?

[pinkytoe]

The Paleo diet is based on the false premise that our metabolism is still in Paleolithic age. Paleo diet = The Secret = Da Vinci Code. Ancient mystery discovered. Living the old way.

No it's not. It realises that most people function better on the similar foods foods commonly eaten in that era. It doesn't say that the Paleolithic and current humans are the same. Alot of foods available back then have evolved and are different due to climate, season and geographic location. The diet

But our metabolism didn't get stuck in the Paleolithic. We have evolved the ability to drink milk as adults, just to name one thing. And as it turns out, milk is healthy for us. Unless you're a mutant who can't digest lactose.

Yep, Our metabolism evolved. Milk can be good if you function well on it.

We're omnivores and you can eat anything you want. You don't need a steady supply of bamboo like pandas do. The agricultural revolution worked, and there are 7.3 billion of us now. Rice and wheat are the staple of humanity. A Snickers bar does give you quality instant energy.

I guess it's up to you to eat what every you like. There is no denying that different 'foods' have different effect on people. Who is advocating bamboo?

Agricultural revolution worked in the sense that it made people lazier and food became more convenient.

Snickers bar is full of sugar, Sugar is converted to energy by your body. Your body can cope with sugar. I'm not sure what the point is here?

Hunger is prevalent in the wild. Our ancestors were constantly hungry and malnutrition was the only thing they knew. They'd die very young, they were very weak, immune system was poor. People in the Paleolithic looked worse than a homeless drug addict living under a bridge.

Seems like a gross over generalisation that they were hungry or malnourished, some where. They did die younger, but this is not a fair barometer of health given that their lives were more dangerous (wild animals), their medical procedures were nil and there was no advancements in technology. Infant mortality was a huge factor in bringing down the average life expectancy. To add to this, they were not as clever.

This is still a factor today across different populations. Any lifestyle that is being compared to current first world nations should be judged on parameters other than average life expectancy.

"No processed foods". "Paleo lifestyle". Give me a break.

Im not sure what you mean?

I'm big, strong and sometimes think I got an endless supply of energy plus some extra crazy energy in store. I drink milk, I eat gluten, I eat peanuts, I eat a lot of meat, I don't remove the skin from a chicken, and sometimes go for a long time without eating something "healthy". I'm 33 and still get perfect results from a blood test, as if I was 18. Blood pressure 120/80. I don't get sick.


This reminds me of the old cliché. "Smoking is fine. My granny smoked and she lived to be 90". I'm not sure what you expect me to say here excpet lol smaple size. I'm delighted that you feel amazing. Alot of what you are doing is quite Paleo. I drink milk, I eat peanuts, I eat alot of meat, I dont remove the skin from chicken.

Gluten, I dont touch for obvious reasons, not just plaeo.

I see idiots refusing to brush their teeth or see a dentist or use soap because they use "organic" things and are living the "natural" way. I can relate to the urge to live that way but ignorance isn't an argument. Call something organic and stupid people will buy it. And you got this new kind of idiots who refuse to get their kids vaccinated. These idiots and the Paleo people can engage in a heartwarming conversation about the horrors of the modern world.


I don't see anyone like this! I'm sure this is just someone who is quite paranoid or taking things to an extreme. Then again, there are people that take things to an extreme and eat KFC for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner.

You seem to be taking extreme examples and applying it to the demographic as a whole. This is not the case.

Organic foods is interesting. It definitely has been hijacked by marketers and does exploit the consumer. I still like my meat to be grass fed and will stay away from GMO foods.

Refusing to gets kids vaccinated, again this is not a Paleo lifestyle thing, but you seem happy to mash it all together.


"Understanding food quality" - who decides what's quality and what is not? You know nothing unless you know what's going on on the molecular level.

Lol. How about understanding from a macro nutrient point of view? There is a general acceptance of the macro-nutrient properties of all foods. It's a standard process that is generally accepted by all.

How do you know what your body needs? Are you studying things on a molecular level? Or is it just "I feel like eating lettuce" so you eat it? Or did you read that lettuce is good, and next year you'll read lettuce is bad so you'll stop eating it?


Again with the molecular level. I know what my body needs based on the output I have given that day (exerice and on how I feel). There is some tweaking and trail and error. But basically I eat food that makes me feel good when I am hungry or preparing for exercise. Simple really. No need for a white jacket to test food on a molecular level - the same way I am not as highly involved in 99% of things in the world.

It's a load of crap, based on ignorance. The usual.

I found this line particularly hilarious after reading your post. I'm actually considering it a troll now. Wp

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[grem]

simple but effective running

[DanHorvat]

pinkytoe - the opinion on healthy/unhealthy foods is changing like the seasons. Meat is popular these days, and a couple of years ago it was practically banned. Now you got Paleo crap, next year we'll have something else. I know what I'm talking about and I didn't learn it from diet books.

The Paleo diet is based on the premise that our metabolism is the same as it was in Paleolithic. Hence the name Paleo diet. And that premise is false.

Being preoccupied with nutrition is a sign of boredom, decadence and self-obsession. One of those modern problems which aren't problems at all. I got only two and a half rules: no frozen food (as it loses its nutritional value), no food that isn't in its original shape (sausages - who knows what's in them?), don't eat chocolate too often. That's it.

Last but not least, I'm eating healthy. Home cooked meals. If some societies have a problem with fast food and are trying to come up with an answer, that's not my problem at all. I don't give a flying duck. What you call Paleo diet is inferior to the diet I've always had.

[DanHorvat]

Dan, how do u feel since u stopped smoking cigarettes ?

I got more time, my money doesn't disappear on a daily basis, and I can no longer artificially concentrate / relax.

Other than that I feel the same as before.

Why are you asking? Are you smoking and want to quit?

[pinkytoe]

pinkytoe - the opinion on healthy/unhealthy foods is changing like the seasons. Meat is popular these days, and a couple of years ago it was practically banned. Now you got Paleo crap, next year we'll have something else. I know what I'm talking about and I didn't learn it from diet books.

Where have I been inconsistent?
I never heard of meat nearly being banned. Meat, from my experience seems to be vas popular as ever.
You really don't know what you are talking about. You have a highly skewed understanding of what a Paleo Lifestyle is.

The Paleo diet is based on the premise that our metabolism is the same as it was in Paleolithic. Hence the name Paleo diet. And that premise is false.

I explained this already above. Your interpretation is something similar to what gets reported in tabloid media.


Being preoccupied with nutrition is a sign of boredom, decadence and self-obsession. One of those modern problems which aren't problems at all. I got only two and a half rules: no frozen food (as it loses its nutritional value), no food that isn't in its original shape (sausages - who knows what's in them?), don't eat chocolate too often. That's it.

Last but not least, I'm eating healthy. Home cooked meals. If some societies have a problem with fast food and are trying to come up with an answer, that's not my problem at all. I don't give a flying duck. What you call Paleo diet is inferior to the diet I've always had.



Lol. Being preoccupied with (insert any word) is a sign of boredom? You might be in the wrong thread if that is your opinion.


Probably no point continuing in this debate. You have gone from saying thar Paleo was snake oil and bullshit and associated with idiots who don't like using tooth paste or getting their babies vaccinated.

Now you are saying that you eat healthy and better than others and you couldn't care about them. That's fine, but they are completely different points and mutually exclusive.

gl with the eating and training.