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    I fully understand Bonusbetting anger here and do not blame him for appearing unreasonable.

    Something does not have to be covered by laws and regulations etc for it to be unethical.

    If one is free to do something and then goes ahead and does it knowing it is a clear rip off but they have done nothing legally wrong etc does not absolve them of being branded unethical.

    bigfreebet would not like it if i stuck up a site called bigfreebets123 and then using open source etc copied his site in its entirety.

    Jamie would not like it if i started a site called players-luck.com and then copied his site exactly using open source.

    It may be legal, but not ethical and I would expect a furious response, I would also not expect to be let off the hook by being reasonable etc, I would also fully expect that I would have to remove the said content or be branded an unethical webmaster and rightfully so.

    There are millions of different design options out there, to replicate a table of a competitor right down to the colours is plain wrong and trying to put the onus back on bonusbetting by asking him what needs changing, did you own the colours and style etc to me is nothing more than an attempt at some form of justification.

    The table on appearance is a copy regardless of what code was used etc, a copy is a copy, any one of millions of different designs etc could have been used and were not, that to me is very wrong and questionable.

    Fadetoblack, you really need to drop that table design and go totally different, to say the headers, colours etc are not owned by bonusbetting is being disingenuous, you could rather easily design a different looking table that is just as attractive with all the details included in it, you do not have to take someone else's idea and with some slight modifications claim it as an original on your site, yes I know you have not done that personally, but the implication is there whenever anyone visits your sites.

    The easiest solution to this is for fadetoblack to start again with a new table and leave bonusbettings ideas alone.

    From what I have read fadetoblack has probably done almost nothing wrong legally, but he knows, we all know, that his design was a copy and it should have been withdrawn immediately, not after some debate and a new design created, not a similar one after asking bonusbetting what colours he uses or what he does not like.

    We all make mistakes and I am sure if Fadetoblack comes out with a totally different designed table that all this can be put to rest, but by Fadetoblack continuing to try and get this table back up, albeit with different logos, ticks, crosses, headers etc, just shows that fadetoblack will do what is acceptable within the law but not what is always ethical.

    This is not rocket science, new table design without infringing on bonusbettings creativity makes it right, staying within the law and sticking up a table that infringes on bonusbettings creativity, while legal is still unethical in my book.

    This issue for me is about ethics only and it is on ethics that this should be judged.

    Hope you guys resolve this sooner rather than later
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    I fully understand Bonusbetting anger here and do not blame him for appearing unreasonable.

    Something does not have to be covered by laws and regulations etc for it to be unethical.

    If one is free to do something and then goes ahead and does it knowing it is a clear rip off but they have done nothing legally wrong etc does not absolve them of being branded unethical.

    bigfreebet would not like it if i stuck up a site called bigfreebets123 and then using open source etc copied his site in its entirety.

    Jamie would not like it if i started a site called players-luck.com and then copied his site exactly using open source.

    It may be legal, but not ethical and I would expect a furious response, I would also not expect to be let off the hook by being reasonable etc, I would also fully expect that I would have to remove the said content or be branded an unethical webmaster and rightfully so.

    There are millions of different design options out there, to replicate a table of a competitor right down to the colours is plain wrong and trying to put the onus back on bonusbetting by asking him what needs changing, did you own the colours and style etc to me is nothing more than an attempt at some form of justification.

    The table on appearance is a copy regardless of what code was used etc, a copy is a copy, any one of millions of different designs etc could have been used and were not, that to me is very wrong and questionable.

    Fadetoblack, you really need to drop that table design and go totally different, to say the headers, colours etc are not owned by bonusbetting is being disingenuous, you could rather easily design a different looking table that is just as attractive with all the details included in it, you do not have to take someone else's idea and with some slight modifications claim it as an original on your site, yes I know you have not done that personally, but the implication is there whenever anyone visits your sites.

    The easiest solution to this is for fadetoblack to start again with a new table and leave bonusbettings ideas alone.

    From what I have read fadetoblack has probably done almost nothing wrong legally, but he knows, we all know, that his design was a copy and it should have been withdrawn immediately, not after some debate and a new design created, not a similar one after asking bonusbetting what colours he uses or what he does not like.

    We all make mistakes and I am sure if Fadetoblack comes out with a totally different designed table that all this can be put to rest, but by Fadetoblack continuing to try and get this table back up, albeit with different logos, ticks, crosses, headers etc, just shows that fadetoblack will do what is acceptable within the law but not what is always ethical.

    This is not rocket science, new table design without infringing on bonusbettings creativity makes it right, staying within the law and sticking up a table that infringes on bonusbettings creativity, while legal is still unethical in my book.

    This issue for me is about ethics only and it is on ethics that this should be judged.

    Hope you guys resolve this sooner rather than later
    Hello, thanks for the input into the thread.

    Yes, I have admitted it was a mistake to replicate the look of the table and when my designer came back to me I should have changed it straight away. I am doing what I can to work with BonusBetting in order to produce an original table. I am going to show it to him before I put the new version up to make sure he is happy with it.

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    Right, we are making progress. Fadetoblack has sent me a new version of the table without my images and using different colours. At this point I am still unhappy that the design and layout are the same. I have asked that he has a rethink to ensure there are significant differences.

    If we can get to the stage where users would not assume that one is a copy of the other then I will be satisfied.
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    I am actually quite amazed that Bonusbetting has had to walk through FadetoBlack over several days as to what he ( fadetoblack ) has done wrong.
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    Quick update - fadetoblack has apologized and made significant changes to the table.
    I can't say I'm happy about all the wasted time on this, and in similar situations in the past people normally make some effort at making amends, but at least I can put it to bed now. The matter is resolved.
    I'd like to thank the GPWA and everyone I spoke to about this for their help.
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    Great to hear that Ben. One down, few more to go
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    Nice table To bad Google hates tables.

    carry on

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK View Post
    Nice table To bad Google hates tables.

    carry on
    Since when does Google hate tables? I don't think so. It is one of the best ways to display data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixian View Post
    Since when does Google hate tables? I don't think so. It is one of the best ways to display data.
    I agree, tables are OK when they are used to display data.. he is displaying external links and images. Big difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK View Post
    I agree, tables are OK when they are used to display data.. he is displaying external links and images. Big difference
    Whether he displays those images and links in a table or not, it does not make a difference, it is still data. How else would you display all that information?

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    With respect, Google seems to like that page quite a lot

    EDIT: and people keep copying it, so I must be doing something right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonusbetting View Post
    With respect, Google seems to like that page quite a lot

    EDIT: and people keep copying it, so I must be doing something right...
    Don't get me wrong, the table looks extremely nice. I'm sure it will be copied 100 times over again and I hope you keep going after the people who steal your work..

    Content to code ratio is crucial do as you please just saying

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    The issue has been resolved. I have indicated that in the thread title.

    Since the issue has been taken care of I am closing this thread.
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