Full Tilt ripping off affiliates.

[hazo]

Hey guys, some of you may not know about the situation going on with FT at the moment. They are enforcing a rule that allows them not to pay affiliates if they signed up more than 60 days before their first deposit. To read more go to http://www.pokeraffiliateprograms.co...s-deposit.html
We need to take action.

[robertmedl]

I totally agree that we need to take action.

May I suggest that each of us that are concerned with this issue write a professional, courteous, and calm email to FTP and express our concern over this change and request an explanation. I have already sent mine.

May I also add that using language like "ripped off" is inflamatory and counterproductive when addressing this issue with FTP. I'd like to suggest that phrases like "ripped off" be avoided.

We only just found out about this change in terms. Let's take action, send in those emails, and see how they respond. We still have 6 weeks to work with them on this issue.

[hazo]

Ok, no problems. I was just trying to draw attention to the issue. If someone can change the thread link name it would be much appreciated.

Nick

[rjovi]

I run a freeroll poker site therefore my conversions are slower than most.
What I could surmise from the FTP affiliate notice was that effective end of february we will need to convert a new player within 60 days.
Obviously, some financial manager at FTP decided take back that chunk of revenue for whatever reasons. FTP is one of my best converters so, I cannot argue with anything they do. But If my conversions drop so will my interest in promoting them.

[TheGooner]

Interesting. I have run a report for February. I have two players who finally deposited after waiting 11 months and 21 months respectively !!!

That right a player who signed up on April 2006 finall made a depsoit on 11th Feb 2008 !!


So for me that's 2 depositors out of 7 so far this month that would be "ripped" away from my affiliate ID.

[poker-casino-online.]

I think most of us don't care about that, important is lifetime RVS

[mojo]

I think most of us don't care about that, important is lifetime RVS

Lifetime is critical yes but keeping players tagged to you is just as important. Some of my best players didn't deposit for several months. I don't understand how this program would think this would be ok with affiliates. I hope poker affiliates can persuade FT to reverse this term.

[helpyou]

I think that here there is not only Full Tilt but many affiliations.

[GPA]

I'm actually quite shocked to see this move by FT.

I really, really hope a resolution can be found in the coming days and weeks.

[universal4]

I don't send Full Tilt a lot of traffic now, but I am considering pulling them completly over this.

I have players at other rooms that take do not always deposit in that time frame and players are too hard to come by to even lose one.

Why should Full Tilt even get the free branding that having them on my sites would provide if they are gonna have terms like this?

Rick
Universal4

[thepokerkeep]

In case there are some members here who don't read the PAP forums, I'm cross posting the latest response from FT...

Originally Posted by Nell@fulltiltpoker.com
Hi,

As Full Tilt Poker grows our legal department has pressured us to clean up our terms and conditions. One of the definitions listed in our agreement from the beginning of the program was that real money players are defined as persons who make the minimum requirement within 60 days of opening an account. We have never enforced this rule before because we lacked the technology to do so, until now.

Full Tilt Poker converts players at a higher and faster rate than the industry standard, which helps you to turn new players into real money depositors more easily than the majority of rooms out there. Although you might be losing a small portion of players that will deposit after the first 60 days, the benefits of working with us should outweigh that. If you still feel the loss of the players will be too great, please email me directly at nell@fulltiltpoker.com and we can discuss ways of increasing your signups and conversion rates.

Nell

The thread at PAP has grown to 27 pages and it looks like FT isn't planning on changing their minds.

[Fergie]

Full Tilt Poker converts players at a higher and faster rate than the industry standard, which helps you to turn new players into real money depositors more easily than the majority of rooms out there.

Hmmm. I wonder why Full Tilt feels the 60-day requirement is needed, since Full Tilt converts players so expeditiously.

[Chips]

I send an email off to them but have not received a reply, thanks for the post as I can use that as a point of contact for discussion with them. As a newer affiliate I need all the help I can get.

[matted]

Thanks for the cross post. I personally only read GPWA - I'm afraid the time commitment would be too great if I got into all the forums.

Originally Posted by Nell@fulltiltpoker.com
If you still feel the loss of the players will be too great, please email me directly at nell@fulltiltpoker.com and we can discuss ways of increasing your signups and conversion rates.

I wish I had a nickel every time an affiliate manager tried turning bad terms into the fault of the affiliate - and trying to use it to generate more business. This is pitiful. Honestly, it's cases like this were affiliates need to come together and take a stand against these practices.

[thepokerkeep]

Full Tilt Poker converts players at a higher and faster rate than the industry standard

The problem is;

The Pokekeep converts players at a lower and slower rate than the industry standard. Every player we've converted took more than the alotted 6o days.

This does not bode well for me....

[robertmedl]

over the past days, i have been in an email discussion with ellen (aka nell). it seems that they are not going to budge on this.



Ellen Bond <xxxxx@fulltiltpoker.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

Thank you for your email. I am afraid that at this stage we will not be amending our 60 day policy, however I am happy to assist you in anyway that I can to convert your players within the 60 day time period.

If you were interested in some proven marketing tactics that would help convert your players, please let me know. If you could send me a link to every pages that you feature us, then I will be in a better position to help out.

I look forward to working with you,

Cheers,

Nell Bond

Affiliate Manager

Consultant to Full Tilt Poker

has anyone else had any success with getting ftp to reconsider?

[Chips]

Had pretty much the same reponse here Robert.

[joeyl]

Why not 61 days?

Every one of you is a buffoon if you buy this nonsense.

I hope the GPWA is as strongly as possible making waves regarding such obvious nonsense affecting their so called community.

I'm afraid any old Joe Bloggs can provide a forum for folk to converse on. It takes a bit more than that if you're going to waffle on about ethics, hand out stickers for it, constantly talk of the "community" and so on blah blah.

[igami]

This is pitiful. Honestly, it's cases like this were affiliates need to come together and take a stand against these practices.

Taking a vocal stand against unethical / opportunistic / predatory practices is seemingly frowned upon these days - after all its bad for business. Its apparently more profitable to try to mend things behind closed doors and then carry on like nothing ever happened.

From my point of view, if you choose to let some of your community get away with inexcusable hogwash before long the entire neighborhood is going to be tarnished. Course to some I am all that is bad - I am the threat to the prosperity of the opportunist because I am a truth seeker / noise maker.

Well tough-beans - I'll stand by my claim that honor over advantage - service over personal gain will win out in the end!

Sadly many are truly gutless - they see all that is wrong and refuse to step up and take a stand against it - it speaks volumns to their true character.

[matted]

I actually thought it was situations like this which give organizations like GPWA and CAP the most power. But I think both groups lack the organizational ability to make a stand... and the residuals make it unpalatable for affiliates with established players to tell em where to go.

At least full tilt isn't a paid sponsor here...