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    What a charming lady you are Gamgirl.

    You are aware the useless player advocates stopped listening to complaints about the Virtual Group a long time ago?

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    Having players complain about problems is fine, but it does not get into the cause of these problems.
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    It reminds me of the Two Minutes Hate in 1984. There is much worse than Virtual. Casino Rewards is ripping off its players with its ripoff bonus and cashout terms; Casino Club is still sitting on £200,000 of player funds it has no intention of returning; the Rushmore group is pulling stunts left right and centre; Microgaming has let untold millions in player funds get burned in failed pokerrooms. I could go on.

    But we all promote these casinos, so we have a problem.

    Hmmmmmmmmmm.

    OK, here's an idea: focus "rogue" frenzy on Virtual, who nobody who has a public industry face promotes; wave our sanctimonious and hypocrite banners of "honesty" in denouncing them, and take all the kudos; post threads on public messageboards "outing" so called rogue affiliates who promote them.

    In other words, Down With Emmanuel Goldstein.

    Grr, snarl.

    That way, we have a free pass to clean up with the REAL shitholes out there, and have a handy Hate Boy to beat up on occasionally, when we feel our collective fake reputaions need enhancing.

    "I'm a reputable affiliate. I don't promote Virtual".

    Who are any of you trying to kid?

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    Who are any of you trying to kid?
    If you refer to 32red being the only brand worth promoting I can tell you that I have seen 4 players last more than a week during 2 years of promoting. Total earnings a couple of 100.

    I know rewards has those bonus terms but except for these bonuses their casinos are one of the best. If players would not like their casinos why do they stay with them ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Having players complain about problems is fine, but it does not get into the cause of these problems.
    Submitting complaints is as much of a red herring as Grand Prive's audit submission process.

    Check the database, pay what you owe, move on.

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    Without doubt some of the Online Casinos operating out of Costa Rica or neighbors are amongst the worst. The problem goes far beyond player or affiliate issues but extend into physical beatings and possible murders. They are not even 1% regulated pay no taxes and will not flinch burning a player or affiliate and on occasion their own employees.

    Strange, more than decade latter they thrive with well over 1500 sites and counting. Both barrels loaded with people's personal and private information around the globe. One site goes down another is cloned and ready to go the next day. If there ever was or is a huge stain with our mainly unregulated industry the Virtual Group defines it.

    How CR and Virtual can be mentioned in the same sentence under the same context of rogue, leaves me freaked out. CR and Virtual are worlds apart in so many ways.

    More than ten years the Virtual still has a pulse.

    All I have too say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyl View Post
    Submitting complaints is as much of a red herring as Grand Prive's audit submission process.

    Check the database, pay what you owe, move on.
    Right, but if we have some information on outstanding complaints/non-paid players, it can only help. The thing is, even though many of us have the general understanding about the types of bad things GW has done over the past years to players.... not all of us were following CM's forum all the time, or those threads, and don't know of these outstanding complaints.

    It would be nice if we ALL could see what's going on, and we don't all have time to spend hours searching the net to only find complaints that could have been resolved a long time ago for all we know.

    With so many people SO VERY passionate about their fight against GW, and willing to dig up links and recant the rogue behavior of this group everywhere, to warn new players..... wouldn't it be kind of smart if one of them had a list of players they knew about that were unpaid, with a little info? Nobody's asking anyone to send in claims or submissions. But some of the rest of us players and affiliates, might find it helpful to see some current outstanding problems to be fully convinced. It would only build the case against GW if some information was gathered and current.

    Besides, if we have a way to maybe help get even one unpaid player paid (through Marty or whomever), shouldn't we try? We can't save the world but we might be able to save one at a time. But we the affiliates, and Marty the affiliate manager, can't try when we don't know about any of them specifically.

    I like this list that Casinomeister has on his site, that lists Pitch-A-Bitch's and the general outcome. Something like this would be very useful. I know he didn't take PABS for this group in the later years. But it looks like he once did. Here's a list of PABS for November 2006. I see many of the GW casinos listed, and it looks like they ended up paid or if unpaid, the player played the wrong games, or something like that. I'd like to see something like this with some of the players that did play by the rules and then wasn't paid.

    Don't you think this would give us more power to do anything constructive?

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    Excellent post Daera! I get to frustrated with these clowns to even bother anymore!

    Someone SHOW me a list please! I tried to signup at Casinomeister again with my mom's nick, but got banned again so I'm not going to be able to navigate the site without wasting time so that option is out for me at this point.

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    Daera, not with this firm. Any other maybe, but not this firm. Bryan has a list, is going through Marty. I don't think he should give Marty the assistance for Virtual to do with Marty what they did with other aff managers.

    It's **** Gamgirl. ****, not just clown. Must color it red like you did before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyl View Post
    Submitting complaints is as much of a red herring as Grand Prive's audit submission process.

    Check the database, pay what you owe, move on.
    I agree, we shouldn't have to deal with these issues in the first place.
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    Am shocked! I got an offer from them in order to promote them on my websites ! What do you suggest ? Promote them or not ?

    The last thing i want is to have bad reputation of my website. From what i have seen is that Gambling Wages struggle to resolved the old matters , a new team have taken over in order to clean up the mess. I have to say very Cooperative!
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    Sorry arisoftnet likely something you would rather not hear but it must be said. Gambling wages likes playing games with peoples lives. Round and round we go same dance same old song. Gambling Wages is on another affiliate campaign they must be running low on the millions they stole already.

    The mess they are trying to clean up is of their own making. They do not deserve anymore chances had plenty already.

    Deny the offer, deny temptation, deny gambling wages the right to waste your time. Save your site from being tainted, smeared with the likes of GW.

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    I love how GW has posted that if anybody needs help to contact them as they are available and have "turned over a new leaf"

    I have an idea for GW

    GO OVER YOUR BOOKS AND EVERY TIME YOU SEE A PLAYER OR AN AFFILIATE THAT IS NOT PAID - PAY THEM ! - NOT THAT DIFFICULT.

    This shouldn't even be a thread. An affiliate program who was trying to get back in the good graces of affiliates would simply just pay what is owed. But these clowns are not going to pay anybody unless they ask for it and put up a fight.

    Gambling Wages is a crooked non paying scumbag company and everybody needs to make their players aware of this and GPWA need to put more of an effort to make sure that future affiliates don't promote these guys.
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    Hi Guys,<O</O
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    Sorry I have not posted for a while, after being banned from Casinomeister I took a little break from the forums. In the mean time we have taken more action in order to reach out to players.
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    1. We sent out an email to all inactive players letting them know that if they previously had a bad experience with our Casino Brands to please contact us so that we could resolve those issues.

    2. I have posted on numerous player forums with my contact info and have been able to or are currently resolving player issues on those forums.

    3. We are tightening the payout department and its processes adding more CS members in order to better serve our players.

    I am going to become more active in the forums in order to continue reaching out to players and resolving their issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyDavis View Post
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    1. We sent out an email to all inactive players letting them know that if they previously had a bad experience with our Casino Brands to please contact us so that we could resolve those issues.
    Did you now, when exactly were these emails sent out?

    In GW's own little mind, what exactly does the term "inactive" mean, in GW's terminology?

    3. We are tightening the payout department and its processes adding more CS members in order to better serve our players.
    You still don't get it do you Marty...Customer Service or lack of CS members was never the real issue with the Virtual Casinos!



    The issue was/is.....




    Get ready now.....




    Are you listening?........




    Pay close attention here.....




    LACK OF PAYMENT ON LEGITIMATE WINNINGS !!



    Are customer service members the ones that can now release payments?
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    Well Marty, I have to give you credit to be back in "the lion's pit" with all the negative history you and your bosses have.

    As a player only, I will only say this. Until every single player that your outfit has screwed over the last bunch of years gets found and paid, I will keep screaming my outrage that your bosses and you have the nerve to think anyone is going to take you seriously. I resent your casino group's thinking that you can "sweet talk" your way out of your incredibly horrible history of screwing players over. The continual "We are turning over a new leaf" philosophy has been used so often by your bosses that it carries absolutely no meaning.

    Not to mention the totally absurd bonuses your casinos offer. Nothing but a scam to bring in those that know no better. Lets see, how can a legitimate casino group offer bonuses of 300-400 percent with no max cash out and no wagering requirements? Boy, you all really must think every gambler or player is a total moron. Shameful.
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    As long as Marty isn't posting simply to snag some big affiliates with juicy media buys, then getting players paid is a good thing in itself.

    The problem is that many players will be long gone and have no way of knowing that there's an offer on the table. This then becomes good publicity at little / no cost...which would then help fund those big dodgy affy sweetners: "Virtual turns over a new leaf! Hurry hurry hurry, sign up now, 2K a month media buy plus 50% rev share for the first six months!".

    I recall Bailey saying there was a millon dollar debt owed to one player at one of the Virtual casinos. I'd be interested to know how that one stands, or any available details.

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    Good morning everyone,

    Iím going to try and clear the air here. First of all what is my roll at Gambling Wages. I am the Sr. Marketing Manager at Gambling Wages and my team includes Steve Ariel and Ingrid Evans. Our job is to continue building the Gambling Wages Affiliate Program and address past issues which have given the brand its rogue status.

    When I came on board I knew of the past history because those were the issues I was brought on to address. Yes I was brought on board to help re-brand and be the PR rep for the company based on my reputation in the industry and I agreed to do so should I be given the tools to make the needed changes.

    When I first came into the forums and introduced myself I was reminded that before I could begin rebranding Gambling Wages I would need to resolve player issues first. Over the past few months I have had the opportunity to audit and address dozens of accounts some with valid complaints and some with invalid complaints and all have been addressed.

    This being said where do we stand now?

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    Continue with my team to personally address player issues first and foremost including legitimate winnings.


    2. Take measures to insure that all terms and conditions are consistent with offered bonuses and payout policies and see that they are adhered to including issues involving bonuses. (Bonuses unless otherwise stated are non-cashable with a max cash out)

    Some of the brands have been around for over 10 years and clearing all old issues will not be over night, we have to start somewhere. While we work in the back offices to streamline our processes including, payouts, terms and conditions and customer support I will continue to make myself available to players that feel they have been are currently being treated unfairly.

    Kind Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyDavis View Post
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    1. We sent out an email to all inactive players letting them know that if they previously had a bad experience with our Casino Brands to please contact us so that we could resolve those issues.

    I'll ask once more Marty, when exactly were these emails sent out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGamblingGuru View Post
    I'll ask once more Marty, when exactly were these emails sent out?
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    On June 4th 2010 this email was sent out to all depositing players and who are currently not active.<O</O

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