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    GAP appears to be abandoned - and I mean the message board affs can see. Only a handful of early signups got in, then GAP appears to gave stopped letting people in and/or granting access to the boards.

    Not sure if this only affects affs or also programs.

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    Hi Guys

    The GAP forum was created for operators to save sending huge emails regarding them meeting in Amsterdam, i am niot suprised that you do not have access to it simple reason as it stand right now there is no reason for people to have access to the site.

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    Well just read the GAP mission statement and appears to me to be a bunch of hogwash. If the person or persons responsible for the running of this "program" wrote that thing we are all in deep crap! Not only did it not make any sense it sounds to me like someone was trying to tie in some legal terminology while not understanding a damn thing.

    I am hoping this doesn't go ahead as I think it will cause more problems then good in this already struggling industry. Perhaps the gambling establishments should directly have dialog with the affiliates that promote their brands to find out what will and what won't work in this industry to keep everyone onboard and excited about the future of online gambling.

    Several of these gambling webmasters have been in this industry since its inception and frankly I believe they have alot more insight into what is beneficial and what isn't for both their advertisers and their visitors/perspective players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wagerprofits View Post
    Hi Guys

    The GAP forum was created for operators to save sending huge emails regarding them meeting in Amsterdam, i am niot suprised that you do not have access to it simple reason as it stand right now there is no reason for people to have access to the site.

    Shaun
    There is a real reason why we should have access and that is because it directly effects us

    Lloyd Apter set up an affiliate forum section part up, nothing to do with the programs, they still have their privacy, this part was for us affiliates only.

    Its this part that Dom is on about, only those that managed to sign up in the first few days it seems can continue to use it.

    Maybe the few of us that asked pointed questions and did not like how a certain affiliate manager based in Costa Rica who cannot support a decent team to save his life was treated had some impact on this

    who knows, looks a shambles anyway

    Maybe they should employ Lou Fabiano and Warren Jolly to sort this mess out

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    Quote Originally Posted by wagerprofits View Post
    Hi Guys

    The GAP forum was created for operators to save sending huge emails regarding them meeting in Amsterdam, i am niot suprised that you do not have access to it simple reason as it stand right now there is no reason for people to have access to the site.

    Shaun
    There was an affiliates section there and a few were allowed to post, i could see these such posts, then i applied to join and have never had access since. I presumed it was just me not allowed in as i said words to the effect that "they can spin" when i noticed a post basically taking a dig at you for posting info here.

    I now know that it is not just me not allowed in anymore.

    I notice that since this meeting you have not posted a lot about this subject Shaun. I am sure that this is because of the travelling back from Amsterdam and really hope that you have not been gagged!

    I am sure that you have not, because i dont think you are the sort of person that would allow this.

    My concern now is this:

    Why would this group want to set the group up before inviting affiliates inside their doors?

    The only reason that i can think of is that it is to be a group for the operators and programs only and that affiliates concerns and welfare will not be considered.

    I hope i am wrong, however, if i am not then i have probably just put the lynch around my own neck!
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    Maybe they should employ Lou Fabiano and Warren Jolly to sort this mess out
    Maybe there are already harboring these traitors. Well anyways had high hopes for GAP a pipe dream up in smoke.

    Private members club I suppose. Guess I will have to draw my own conclusions and that is scary.

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    Guess I will have to draw my own conclusions and that is scary.
    I have to agree with you....sometimes you are scary....LOL

    Sorry Peter, I couldn't resist that one....LOL

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    I have to agree with you....sometimes you are scary....LOL
    I must agree so I suppose your part of the private Yacht Club know as GAP WOW? You know the commercial ShamWow lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wagerprofits View Post
    Hi Guys

    The GAP forum was created for operators to save sending huge emails regarding them meeting in Amsterdam, i am niot suprised that you do not have access to it simple reason as it stand right now there is no reason for people to have access to the site.

    Shaun
    Well Shaun, it just has an appearance from the psychobabble that was posted up, that there is a consortium of privileged affiliates that are attempting to hijack certain programs. I guess if the 65 or 80 or whatever number of programs choose to only do business with those "graced" enough to be a member, then those of us smaller affiliates will be forced to work with programs not tied to this "mafia". If that is the case, so be it, many of the private owned sites provide a reasonable income (and are not as preditory) than the big guys.

    I for one chose this profession so that I could work for myself and not have to kiss anyone's ass anymore after 31 years in retail and I will not start down that road again.

    If it comes down to every program out there being tied to this, I guess I'll be peddling flowers and chocolates and leave the igaming industry.

    Way too much BS has been spread in the past few months, I don't know how much more stench and corruption I can handle.
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    Way too much BS has been spread in the past few months, I don't know how much more stench and corruption I can handle.
    Having the same thoughts Chips. Think I may instead only support one MGS program and toss the rest. Boils down to trust and frankly I am at a point I trust very few.

    Maybe I will sink my talons into something else. Cyber Forensic Analysts are in high demand maybe do that full time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greek39 View Post
    Having the same thoughts Chips. Think I may instead only support one MGS program and toss the rest. Boils down to trust and frankly I am at a point I trust very few.

    Maybe I will sink my talons into something else. Cyber Forensic Analysts are in high demand maybe do that full time.

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    I feel you, I was doing some updates tonight and had to check on some things at Commission Junction, as I perused the adverts there I started thinking about branching out and developing a network of non gaming sites.

    Still may do it. The "c" word ringing in my ears. Funny how much unsung damage that was created over that whole mess. It is deeper than any man could ever imagine. And the perpetrators are laughing all the way to the bank. (no one will convince me otherwise so don't even try).

    This used to be such an exciting venture but lately I find myself looking over my shoulder a bit more. You know what I mean?

    I recall a movie from years back that had a line in it "DTA!... Don't trust anyone" How true those simple words ring true in today's world.

    I better stop before I post something that could get me banned (yep so nasty even Michael would have to ban me)... Respect GPWA.
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    Hi Guys

    Due CAC I have not posted very much, but that is about to change.

    So as ever GAP has not provided the key community in this industry any information on how or what they would like to do.

    Firstly as GAP currently stands I will not be supporting it, if things change then there is a possibility that i will support it.

    My reason for not supporting has nothing to do with harsh terms or any such things, i just feel that as it stands the industry currently has no place for a group like GAP. What of course did come out of the meeting is that a lot of people are still very unhappy regarding CAP and it has left a very bad taste along with some seriously damaged budgets.

    Guys please feel free to ask me questions I will happly try and answer them.

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    Well ...

    Hopefully there will be a "Big Gap" where GAP was going to be then!



    Sorry, i just could not resist the pun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chips View Post
    I guess if the 65 or 80 or whatever number of programs choose to only do business with those "graced" enough to be a member, then those of us smaller affiliates will be forced to work with programs not tied to this "mafia". If that is the case, so be it, many of the private owned sites provide a reasonable income (and are not as preditory) than the big guys.
    Chips, the admission was not in the least selective. Lloyd admitted new members for a day or two, and most of these came from a post Michael made here. There was no selectivity I can tell, it was a matter of when one applied and not who one was. Everyone there was just curious about what was going on and asking a lot of questions.

    Then Lloyd stopped tending the board, stopped answering posts and also stopped admitting people. This coincided with the first meeting, so I assume it was a result of that.

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    @Dom

    Don't feel bad, I posted in the "Aff manager" section, and over 24 hours later no response also. I guess next week we get back to normal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominique View Post
    Chips, the admission was not in the least selective. Lloyd admitted new members for a day or two, and most of these came from a post Michael made here. There was no selectivity I can tell, it was a matter of when one applied and not who one was. Everyone there was just curious about what was going on and asking a lot of questions.

    Then Lloyd stopped tending the board, stopped answering posts and also stopped admitting people. This coincided with the first meeting, so I assume it was a result of that.
    Dammit! And I thought I was one of the special people too. Thanks for bursting my bubble Dom...

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    I've copied and pasted the statement GAP released last week.... If anyone can possibly make heads or tails out of it, please tell me what planet you're from!

    The author was either a drunk, dyslectic lawyer wannabe or he speaks in tongues

    Honestly, I think they wrote this in another language and used Google Translate to turn it into some form of garbled English psycho babble. If I was one of the group of 65, I'd be embarrassed by the unprofessional direction all of this nonsense has taken.

    Who in their right mind would allow this statement to go public????

    Having made any introductory statement earlier this month in the wake of the Casino Affiliate Programs / Affiliate Media Inc rush, the new annex organisation Gambling Affiliate Programs has reappeared according to a new statement announcing its in the beginning general congregation.
    The organisation has furthermore opened a website at http://gamblingaffiliateprograms.org/ that informs visitors:
    “Our mission is to render certain the online gambling industry resolution exist managed and networked professionally and effectively going onward and that operators, gaming upon programs and the affiliates themselves get a resource in a fair and impartial extent including developing business relationships of the same kind with expedient of the same kind with optimizing networking opportunities.
    “In reaching in a puzzle to the rest of the community, we are actively seeking a solution that direction be in the best sympathy in opposition to totally parties involved in area that top ranked represents our indispensably and those of our affiliates and business partners.
    “Accordingly, the goal is to maintain an entity that is aligned with our interests and force of will hinder cherish our community.We are fully convinced that by action collectively we inclination discovery a mutually beneficial solution.”
    This would seem to signify a more collegiate and collaborative approach that seeks to inwrap affiliates in the same manner with sound since the eighty programs things being so involved in the initiative.
    The founders of GAP obtain wisely chosen this year’s Casino Affiliate Convention in Amsterdam as the best existence in this world and portion to esteem its chief collection of people, to which place it intends to agitate greater industry issues and indispensably.
    The concourse inclination be conscious of fix at the NH Grand Krasnapolsky Hotel steady Sunday March 29th, 2009.
    In the middle of the article we are going to give you more details concerning the topic that we hope will help you to be well up in the subject.
    The GAP statement informs that in unsubstantial of modern industry events, operators unhesitating to take rise in union and contrive Gambling Affiliate Programs.
    “This alliance is a group of operators proactively joining forces to consider ways at a consensus upon the body the major industry issues, that contain events and conferences, make resemble communities, certification and the role of GAP itself.” in which they can create unification not above the industry; to rear up the development of relationships betwixt operators and affiliates,” the statement reads.
    “The portion programs bear agreed with every agenda in the place of the general meeting, and contemplate to arrive
    A GAP spokesman related: “The formation of GAP is a proactive track aid concerning the respected members of the online gambling bring into close relation industry.The General Meeting behest forbear attending programs to plant industry goals and standards, ensuring professionalism, accountability and transparency in this ever-growing sector.We at are looking fore to the meeting and the great potential it provides.”
    Programs not registered are invited to carry into practice likewise at www.gamblingaffiliateprograms.org now .GAP’s mission is to ensure that the online gambling industry will be managed and networked professionally and effectively in the future, and that operators, playing for money unite programs and the affiliates themselves be seized of a resource in rank that top represents their needs and those of their business partners.
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    wow and lol.....pfffffffffff
    looks like a google translation indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominique View Post
    Then Lloyd stopped tending the board, stopped answering posts and also stopped admitting people. This coincided with the first meeting, so I assume it was a result of that.
    Well, I suspect a more accurate statement might be that when you're at a conference like CAC, there is simply not much time to manage a board. And the day of the operator's meeting was Lloyd's first day at the conference, so it was the first of a number of days where no time was available.

    However, since the operators had divergent views about where GAP should go, and about the role of the forum Lloyd was running, perhaps it is also the case that without the level of support he was hoping for, he will not be motivated to devote the energy required to run a board. After all, this board does require that individual applicants be vetted to some extent, at least to reliably determine who represents an operator or affiliate program.

    In a few days, once Lloyd is back from CAC and has caught up on his regular business activities after being away for a few days, we'll see if he resumes spending much time managing the GAP forum.

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    I wouldn't lose too much sleep over not being given access any way. There really is nothing of note happening in the forums from what I can see.

    There is a thread speculating what GAP should be about but it offered no insights whatsoever.

    Anyone know what the "divergent views" held by the group at the meeting were?

    PS I think the best we can all do as affs right now is to support the groups like GPWA and build unity that way rather than spend our combined energy on coming up with endless conjecture that really has no value for anyone.

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