Guardian Hit Piece on Affiliates

[benl12]

Don't think anyone else posted this but seems like there is going to be some trouble.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ets-to-punters

It has been alleged that one prominent tipster advised his followers to make 57 consecutive bets which lost.

as if thats possible.

They are claiming sky closed their affiliate scheme in part because of it

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/04/pressure-grows-gambling-industry-over-dubious-tipsters-affiliation

[Triple7]

Something about it was posted in the topic about 888's penalty. But it's worth an own topic of course.

I'm afraid affiliates will face regulations too, like casinos and bookmakers are doing.

[Mattbar]

It is interesting that the tabloids haven't attacked us all yet. Oh wait, yeah, they all have their own affiliate accounts and even their own programs (Sun bets, mirror bingo, etc)

[RacingJim]

And yet, for all those words in The Guardian articles, there was not one shred of evidence of wrong-doing by any individual affiliate! But yeh, let's call for them to ALL BE SHUT DOWN, just like that.

The left are like modern day Hitlers.
God I **** hate The Guardian with a passion. Useless left wing twats.

Both the articles are by the same person, both just taking conjecture and rumours rather than any actual proof. Both assume wrongly that all affiliates are tipsters. Yet again people judging the industry with little knowledge of the workings of it.

[Sherlock]

It is hard - no it is impossible - to see a good newspaper. But I remember that a friend of my exwife used to work at Greenpeace.

They had a meeting and a dispute and the boss of the Greenpeace allegedly said: "I do not care what we write in **** Guardian...".

[agsgroup]

And yet, for all those words in The Guardian articles, there was not one shred of evidence of wrong-doing by any individual affiliate! But yeh, let's call for them to ALL BE SHUT DOWN, just like that.

The left are like modern day Hitlers.
God I **** hate The Guardian with a passion. Useless left wing twats.

Both the articles are by the same person, both just taking conjecture and rumours rather than any actual proof. Both assume wrongly that all affiliates are tipsters. Yet again people judging the industry with little knowledge of the workings of it.

Could not agree more!

[benl12]

Could not agree more!

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/...online-bookies

Another hit piece on the industry

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[baldidiot]

They're probably on the propaganda train this week: xxxhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/05/gambling-industry-feasts-on-poor-vulnerable-helen-pidd

[freebetsfreetips]

I can tell that article is informed and fair by the undeniably true tagline at the top: "As the betting addict who went on a rampage in Liverpool pointed out, bar staff don’t pour pints for people who have had too many."

[RacingJim]

What are The Guardian all about. This is red-top level shite, I thought they were meant to be somewhat 'high brow'? This latest piece is by an 'anonymous' source and is just yet more conjecture and unproven bullcrap. Real journalism is dead.

[pinkytoe]

What are The Guardian all about. This is red-top level shite, I thought they were meant to be somewhat 'high brow'? This latest piece is by an 'anonymous' source and is just yet more conjecture and unproven bullcrap. Real journalism is dead.

The piece was utter tripe. Grossly misinformed author who seemed to not even have the terminology nailed down.

I soon realised how the bookies skew the odds in their favour through what they allow people to stake, and who they encourage to play. Online casinos have complex systems that detect consistent winners. These players will have their stakes limited, so that the bookmaker can satisfy its basic statutory requirement to offer a bet, even though potential returns could be limited to loose change.

[MJM]

Not from the UK so forgive me, is the Guardian a respected news source?

"Anonymous" source is not credible, I'm wondering what Guardian stands to gain by publishing things like this, or what their objective actually is.

[TinShed]

They must be over the moon with their lucky timing of the first article and the closure of affiliate hub

[Sherlock]

It is common journalism nowadays. The journalist, or rather narrator, writes down the story based on one or more sources, so it looks like a testimony.

It is common in relationships sections of newspapers for example (aka I went to the teambuilding, then I had a sex with my male colleague, am I gay? etc) . It is always this style of writing. I think it came out of blogs, but it does not matter. It is not a real story of course. It is a 3rd party view but highly manipulative, because it is served as from witness.

If I have to be honest, I can not tell much against the content from Guardian. Gambling is a disaster, it more or less works like it is described in the article, and we make money from the weak and stupid people. But the manipulative style pisses me off. Plus this plain leftist approach "let's make a better society" pisses me off even more. There are intelligent leftists, who can actually go deep and who criticize approaches to/products of society like: "coffee without caffeine, cream without fat, beer without alcohol... And the list goes on: what about virtual sex as sex without sex.... warfare without warfare".

What this leftist agenda is trying to create is gambling without losing money. **** off this. Society needs certain level of darkness or some really bad things occur. There was a great movie about it if someone is interested http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/.

Not from the UK so forgive me, is the Guardian a respected news source?

There are no respected news sources. Everyone has his own agenda.

[Scampi]

Someone at the Guardian certainly doesn't like affiliates! It's been known for some time that online gambling would be the next target after the FOBT's, I guess the Guardian is getting in there early. The Triennial Review is due to take place in October, with the betting industry given a year to implement any changes.

[freebetsfreetips]

The Guardian is a respectable left-wing paper but they have been very anti-gambling for some time. Unfortunately these are articles are ill-informed and very one-sided.

[RacingJim]

Society needs certain level of darkness or some really bad things occur. There was a great movie about it if someone is interested http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/.

I'll give that a watch.

[MJM]

More bad press, also note the comment from ladbrokes about reducing the number of affiliates they work with:

http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/gam...rticle/1444447

[freebetsfreetips]

Stuff like that really is taking the **** - the affiliates I mean. That's bona fide fake news.

If the operators take a sensible and fair approach I'm cautiously optimistic this could end out better for those who are legitimate and stick to the rules.

[RacingJim]

End of the day anyone can post a website about anything, that's the internet, it's a free world. Therefore, ultimately, the only person who can be held responsible for 'fake news' and malicious adverts is the person who created it. To pass that blame on to the bookies is just lazy legislation - kind of saying 'Well you deal with it cos we don't want to'.

This goes way beyond gambling or gambling affiliates and into every affiliate relationship there could ever be. That there is an affiliate relationship there is not the 'problem' or the 'solution', that person could be creating that fake news and selling their own product, they'd still be in breach of the ASA rules.