Hacked affiliate sites

[Webzcas]

I think you are cheater. You have access to your server and you did these changes to make money per click. You cannot prove that you do not get money per click. You play this game to get attention to your person and become popular in one minute. You will not solve the problem in this way.

Oh come on, that is a bit over the top...

This has to be one of the silliest things I have read on here in a long time.

Whilst it is very likely you are innocent Ivan and feel aggrieved at having accusations being thrown your way, it does not give you the right to write what you wrote in your previous post.

[universal4]

Yes, seriously, we can not and WILL NOT allow this thread to turn into one full of personal attacks.

Rick
Universal4

[bb1web]

maybe I am not understanding but I think IV was making a point that he COULD turn around and call the other a cheater, because it IS possible.

but that he's not doing that. or that's how i read it.

in other words IV is saying that accusing him in Canada when there is a US IP .. is same ridiculous as if he accused .......

[ron66]

Yes sure!

This tells me enough, in the world of criminal psychology they would call this "victim blaming" Very typical!

I think you are cheater. You have access to your server and you did these changes to make money per click. You cannot prove that you do not get money per click. You play this game to get attention to your person and become popular in one minute. You will not solve the problem in this way.

[universal4]

ron66,

Your posts constantly keep trying to shift blame toward an individual that did nothing but buy traffic from a ppc.

When you buy traffic from a ppc, you bid on keyword terms and expect trafic from clicks from searches on those terms, or in some cases contextual text links with those terms.

Beyond that, one would hope that the traffic is real and not machine generated crap.

Like I stated before, if we can prove to the ppc that the traffic being generated, (at least in this case) is stolen, then we would hope that we could force the engine in question to not accept this traffic and take action against the publisher.

The person recieving this kind of traffic in most cases doesn't want it since it is misdirected traffic going through a number of redirects etc to reach it's final destination and in reality was never intended to land where it did.

However, to keep on with the idea that anyone who purchases traffic from a ppc can control a situation like this doesn't follow the logic of what took place.


Site A has their htaccess hacked. (vicitim A)
Site B buys clicks from a ppc (Victim B)

Hacker (the TRUE Theif) hacks the htaccess file on site A, funnels stolen traffic through an ip based page where the ppc ads reside, and traffic ends up at site B without the knowledge of where it came from except that it cost Victim B some money for the clicks.

The traffic could just as easily have ended up on Site C or Site D, if ppc customer #2 or ppc customer #3 outbid customer #1 that day they would have gotten the traffic instead of custiomer #1

At no time should this scenario make customer #1, #2 or #3 responsible for the hacker that hacked the htaccess file.

Rick
Universal4

[ron66]

Thanks for your tread

I have already told in a tread that I believe that IV probably is a victim himself.

But in all of his treads in this post there is not one's a bit of consideration. Instead he is now attacking me and telling a strange story about me changing my own htaccess file. And somehow in his world, this would make me popular???

In his case I would try to find out who is getting me this traffic. I would call the company and tell them to take this http://91.203.71.19/ppc.php site/page offline. Or at least delete my websites from it.

(At no time should this scenario make customer #1, #2 or #3 responsible for the hacker that hacked the htaccess file.)(it would if they been told that there traffic is been coming from a hacked htaccess file)

I ask you Rick.. what would you do if you knew that the traffic you were buying
was stolen traffic from another website. Do you want your website / name involved in this kind of way?

let me guess Rick... you are probably a person that would post back within two days, telling everybody you fixed the problem and stopped doing business with the company responsible for the traffic.

Well I stop posting treads here.. my problem is solved (2 minutes after I found out what happened. been behind a computer sins 1974.. but who cares!) and the person who benefits at the end has had his wake-up call.

Seen some nice reactions from forum members and seen some who didn't make sense at all. Learned that buying traffic from shimmy company's can cause some troubles.

Thanks you all (enjoy the winter Olympics, they start tonight)

ron66,

Your posts constantly keep trying to shift blame toward an individual that did nothing but buy traffic from a ppc.

When you buy traffic from a ppc, you bid on keyword terms and expect trafic from clicks from searches on those terms, or in some cases contextual text links with those terms.

Beyond that, one would hope that the traffic is real and not machine generated crap.

Like I stated before, if we can prove to the ppc that the traffic being generated, (at least in this case) is stolen, then we would hope that we could force the engine in question to not accept this traffic and take action against the publisher.

The person recieving this kind of traffic in most cases doesn't want it since it is misdirected traffic going through a number of redirects etc to reach it's final destination and in reality was never intended to land where it did.

However, to keep on with the idea that anyone who purchases traffic from a ppc can control a situation like this doesn't follow the logic of what took place.


Site A has their htaccess hacked. (vicitim A)
Site B buys clicks from a ppc (Victim B)

Hacker (the TRUE Theif) hacks the htaccess file on site A, funnels stolen traffic through an ip based page where the ppc ads reside, and traffic ends up at site B without the knowledge of where it came from except that it cost Victim B some money for the clicks.

The traffic could just as easily have ended up on Site C or Site D, if ppc customer #2 or ppc customer #3 outbid customer #1 that day they would have gotten the traffic instead of custiomer #1

At no time should this scenario make customer #1, #2 or #3 responsible for the hacker that hacked the htaccess file.

Rick
Universal4

[universal4]

Do NOT continue using this thread to say anything derogatory about each other!
This warning goes to you both!

Don't pull that I only said this because this was said to me first!

Let's keep this issue on track!

I agree, if I had found out that any traffic I purchased was from a stolen htaccess file in the scenario you laid out, Yes I would be pissed, but my anger would be toward the ppc not the person who had their file hacked....

If it is right for YOU to blame the persion buying the traffic, then it should be right for the person buying the traffic to blame YOU!

Now that scenario is NOT right and NOT one I support, and neither do I support the puchaser holding any blame.

My issue with the posting that has gone on in this thread is that blame has gone back and forth, and we have made ZERO progress toward finding out who controls the ip where the htaccess file was pointed toward, and no progress on finding out if there is anyone at the ppc we could talk to...

The reason no progress has been made is because we have been dancing around whether or not someone that buys traffic is responsible for a hacker selling traffic to a seller!!

If you would happen to ask damn near anyone here if I support exposing cheats and theives I think you would find out that not only do I support exposing them, but I can sometimes help!

Now, granted I would rather had seen people come in here and say, hey that traffic went to my site, let me help you find the ppc source, but the person came in to this thread to defend their position that they were being accused of being a hacker when in reality they had NOTHING to do with that.

Before this thread goes off on any other tangents, let's get back on track with the possibility of finding out what we can do to discuss this traffic with the ppc in question, and at least find out their policy and what they do when this is proven.

As far as finding out the actual perpetrator, I doubt their privacy policy allows the identification of the ppc affiliate/publisher.

Rick
Universal4

[universal4]

And by the way,

(At no time should this scenario make customer #1, #2 or #3 responsible for the hacker that hacked the htaccess file.)(it would if they been told that there traffic is been coming from a hacked htaccess file)

The above still does NOT make the ad puchaser responsible for hacking your site!

Rick
Universal4

[ron66]

Lets call it E-fencing and decide later if it's legal or not.

And by the way,
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The above still does NOT make the ad puchaser responsible for hacking your site!

Rick
Universal4

[universal4]

E-fencing, now what the heck does that mean?

If you, as an affiliate just happen to buy traffic from the same ppc, and you just happen to outbid the others any particular day, then the stolen traffic from you could be funneled through that page and end up on your own website, but of course, you would have paid twice for that traffic.

That would mean using YOUR logic that YOU were responsible for that hacking that happened to your site just because you bought some traffic from a ppc that is being scammed by a hacker....

The only one that should be accused of wrongdoing in this situation as it stands, is the low-life scum that hacked your htaccess file....

Rick
Universal4

[pgaming]

Ron,
I agree with most of what Rick is trying to convey with one exception. This is not a hack, crack or anything else close to it. Some of these traffic generators scour the web looking for vulnerabilities mostly it is all automated. The PPC Company found your htaccess file open inserted their mods and used it to sell traffic to whomever, very simple way of selling or generating traffic.

In most cases the buyer of such traffic is totally oblivious where the traffic is coming from. The one responsible is the company doing the selling. I do not believe IV should shoulder any responsibility.

Over the years I have witnessed scenarios where your accusations fit. Many programs and affiliates do engage in various stealing traffic techniques through a third party such as evoplus and more. They knowingly do so unlike IV. But I seriously do not think this applies in your situation.

The last I checked on location the originating IP redirecting your traffic originated in Latvia. Keep in mind this my assumption. I also would be suspicious as member shayla mentioned you may have a virus. This could reside on your machine, server etc… Maybe consider changing all passwords and investigating for virus threats.

greek39

[universal4]

Peter,

The PPC Company found your htaccess file open inserted their mods and used it to sell traffic to whomever, very simple way of selling or generating traffic.

If in fact the ppc itself is behind it, then THEY are the hackers/crackers.

I don't give a damn if it's automated, or if they cracked an easy password and did it, or if it was done by osmosis.

The hataccess file was ion a website, and it was changed by someone (automated program or not) without the knowledge or permission of the website owner.

THAT, in itself is a definition of illegal activity, and is totally and completly unethical.

I don't really care what the hacking community wants it called due to semantics with a name....

In my book, if a person does this act, whether they use a program to do it, or they do it themselves, it's hacking, and I would like 5 minutes in a room with them.

If in fact Ron created this issue by having a virus, and he uploaded the changed file himself, then the hacker is the scumbag that put their code in the virus before it went out....but my guess is that if what the host told him was correct, they had logs showing someone at a different ip changed the file.

Rick
Universal4

[pgaming]

If in fact the ppc itself is behind it, then THEY are the hackers/crackers.

A matter of opinion I guess Rick. If a file lacks the proper security settings its a free for all. But if access to the file was set to forbidden and someone went ahead and cracked it this IMO would be unethical and nasty.

Either way my personal view not something I would ever do nor would most hackers in the truest sense of the title.

To add I understand exactly what you saying I too would love to catch these bigots.

greek39

[universal4]

So just because someone makes a mistake, whether that be a host, webmaster or whatever, and allows security to be a little less than desireable, it's ok for some scumbag to make changes to their files and steal from them??

Stealing is stealing, whether the door was unlocked or not.

Rick
Universal4

[elgoog]

So just because someone makes a mistake, whether that be a host, webmaster or whatever, and allows security to be a little less than desireable, it's ok for some scumbag to make changes to their files and steal from them??

Stealing is stealing, whether the door was unlocked or not.

Rick
Universal4

indeed!
and besides that Ron stated earlier:

I ask my hosting provider about this. they say it's 644 and not 777 protected. (htaccess)

[TheGamblingGuru]

http://whois.domaintools.com/nodepositcasino.net
More info on sites he owns.

Yep, that's the one here in this screenshot and the link to the page is:

hxxp://cashcollector.info/4-cash-casino-casino-fun-neteller



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Where you will also notice one of my article reviews that was stolen from my site page here:

http://www.thegamblinggurus.com/2010...le-online.html

My review article was published on July 7th at 1:46 PM as you can see at the bottom of my review and was stolen a little while later and republished at Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:00:55 -0400 with all of the links removed!

I'm not all that convinced that this Ivan Velychko character is truly innocent!
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[TheGamblingGuru]

Why is the pic in my post above not showing up now? It was showing when I previewed and when I first submitted the post.

Trying again....

EDIT: Fixed it by adding photobucket image!
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[Moonlight Cat]

I'm not all that convinced that this Ivan Velychko character is truly innocent!

I don't know who is Ivan Velychko but i know that he is buy traffic from PPC. I buy traffic from PPC too, and i see they sites at PPC top at good positions. If you buy PPC traffic from top positions you must be are serious webmaster. I don't know why they need this article. I think this is mistake.

[GCG]

Ivan Velychko copied content from allbonusbets website and planted his sites as text links in the article, great dude remove it ASAP !!



article

xxhttp://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978667411

copyscape

xxhttp://www.copyscape.com/view.php?o=45313&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gather.com%2Fv iewArticle.action%3FarticleId%3D281474978667411&t= 1293202606&s=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.allbonusbets.com&w=2 2&i=4&r=4

[pgaming]

I have had few calls for hacked sites. From my experience thus far they seed in your public root directory with extension .bat. No time to go into the finer details but this may help I hope any way.

FYI a very weak crack imo.

greek39