View Poll Results: How important are DMOZ links?

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  • They have much more value than other links with the same page rank.

    4 26.67%
  • They have more value than other links with the same page rank.

    4 26.67%
  • They are just the same as any other link with the same page rank.

    6 40.00%
  • They are less valuable than other links with the same page rank.

    0 0%
  • They are much less valuable than other links with the same page rank.

    1 6.67%
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    Question How important are DMOZ links?

    There has been a lot of disucssion in these forums about DMOZ over the years. There are folks who feel DMOZ links are worth a lot, or at least that they have enough value that corruption comes into play.

    Some folks say DMOZ links are not as important today as they once were. Others say they are as important as ever. Some folks say DMOZ links themselves are not that important, but that the links from sites that use DMOZ information (such as the Google directory) make them important.

    What is your view. How valuable are links from DMOZ in your opinion as compared with other links with similar page rank?

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    Tbh, I know people say do not bother and that they are a waste, but value or no value it would be so cool to have a link from DMOZ. I have tried a few times with no luck =[

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    I think this is not so important. I have one of my gambling sites at DMOZ but i don't see any serious changes.

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    They have less value this days, i know less of site owners who are in DMOZ now. They have discovered some better ways to promotion.

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    There has been a lot of disucssion in these forums about DMOZ over the years. There are folks who feel DMOZ links are worth a lot, or at least that they have enough value that corruption comes into play.

    Some folks say DMOZ links are not as important today as they once were. Others say they are as important as ever. Some folks say DMOZ links themselves are not that important, but that the links from sites that use DMOZ information (such as the Google directory) make them important.

    What is your view. How valuable are links from DMOZ in your opinion as compared with other links with similar page rank?

    Michael
    1.Not very handy to start a new thread for DMOZ when closing all others yourself.
    2.It is not about the DMOZ link(s - some have more than 1 listing) itself but the fact that you now can trade links with other great sites.
    3.Most sites in DMOZ get good pagerank and google trust.

    I find this a really odd and controversual question for those who have and have not these links. Besides that you are an cat. editor and have more sites in DMOZ so you should know best of all how this works and how easier it is to get more quality links.

    Pretty simple answer if you ask me.
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    This is def an interesting debate.

    IMO, it is made out to be something a lot greater than it actually is, submit as well as you can and leave it. It is not the holy grail and you can rank easily without it, don't kick up a fuss and wet your pants if your site isn't listed within 12 months.

    But I do believe that it holds a lot more weight than your average link, because it is human edited and not financially motivated. I could go to any webmaster right now and pay $500 for a great link, whereas although there is some past with editor corruption on DMOZ (this is not a comment to spark another argument, so please don't!) that generally is not possible - your site has to be quality to get in there.

    People who don't believe Google trust DMOZ? Tell me why Google directory uses only DMOZ listings then!

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    This is an interesting question and one which Matt Cutts has been asked about at both of the last two Webmasterworld conferences I have attended. Both during his talk and privately afterwards

    Matt was very open about the fact that dmoz is used by google and is a "great" link (his word).

    Just from listening to him speak and the reactions to his talk, I got the impression that the link you get from the google directory (eventually) after being listed in dmoz might be far more valuable than the link from dmoz itself.

    Also, many other sites use the directory, so you begin to build new links from all sorts of places over time, as that spreads, some of which may also be worth having

    So I guess it's hard to classify a dmoz link is 'just another' link, because over time, it will generate many other links, including a direct dofollow link from google itself

    However, at the same time, it also worth noting that the directory link from google has been devalued slightly over the last couple of years. This is simply because the google directory used to be linked to from the main google home page, but is not any more (in most countries), so has slightly less "link juice" going into it these days

    I also think that the weight google attaches to dmoz in the future will continue to diminish (albeit at a very gradual rate), as will the relative value of links in general, as they move to utilise factors like bounce, time spent on the site, returning visitors etc.

    Overall, I would say that a dmoz link might be just about about as good as it gets when it comes to links, because you eventually get that link from google and all the other sites that follow it.

    But, at the same time, I also think it's pretty obvious you can get by just fine without one, so I don't think it's worth obsessing about it.

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    Just to add to that, it is also worth noting that the age of any link seems to be much more important these days (again, this is info I gained from attending the Wemasterworld talks)

    It may well be that google only start to give real weight to a link once it has been up for a long time, possibly a minimum of a year, with it only getting maximal benefit after around three years

    So, when you read people stating "I got a dmoz link, but saw no improvement" or "I lost my dmoz link, but saw no drop in my rankings", you may need to take into account when exactly that change to their dmoz listing was made. If it was during the past year or 18 months, then it might not be that surprising

    It may be that it takes at least a year after google lists a dmoz link in their own directory (or removes it) to see the real costs or benefits of a link in dmoz


    All that said, I am definitely no expert on links! All I know is what I learn from the conferences, rather than having any real experience with them. I sponsor just one single link (with AGD, because I think it's a very useful resource and I want to see it continue) and apart from that all I have are just two single link exchanges across my entire network of portals. I don't have any dmoz listings either, lol
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    Here's an interesting observation for those worried about dmoz links

    I did a search in google.com for the keywords *Gambling Guides* and noted that that the top two affiliate sites (the ones listed below the dmoz and google directory pages) DO NOT seem to be listed in dmoz.

    So, it is clear to me that you absolutely DO NOT need a dmoz link to compete with those sites that do have them

    This reinforces my view that although I agree with Matt Cutts that they are "great" links and also that they are more than just a (single) link, because you get additional ones thrown in, links in the dmoz directory are really not worth getting all hot and bothered about

    Time is much better spent on other things.

    For example, instead of contributing my time on these last three posts, I could instead have written a top-quality article for one of my portals, which in turn, might have brought in a high roller - something worth thinking about?....


    By the way, Michael, what is your opinion with regard to your own questions? Don't want to let you get away with posting such a question without asking you to contribute to the discussion yourself!



    [note, my google search will not give the same results for everyone, results obviously differ for different people, depending on where you are searching from, whether you are logged-in, even time of day... and all sorts of other reasons]

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    Quote Originally Posted by penny-slot-machines View Post
    By the way, Michael, what is your opinion with regard to your own questions? Don't want to let you get away with posting such a question without asking you to contribute to the discussion yourself!
    I voted that "They have more value than other links with the same page rank." I voted that way because my guess is that they have the same value as other links with the same page rank, but that the fact that they also result in the creating of other links increases their value over what would otherwise be the case.

    Personally, I don't think they are worth obsessing over either. That is, I view they are one out of a very large number of things that each help a little. For a new site starting out, I think each of the things that can help a little can make a big difference. But for a well-established site, I don't think any one little thing matters much at all.

    So, for example, I think dmoz links to sites like the GPWA or Casino City make essentially no difference at all. But I can easily give examples where it makes a big difference. Consider the Restaurant and Bar category for the small city where I grew up where I am an editor: www.dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Washington/Localities/D/Des_Moines/Business_and_Economy/Restaurants_and_Bars/. I believe it helps the websites listed in that category a lot to have a link to them from dmoz because they have hardly any significant visibility aside from their dmoz link.

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    "No idea as I can't read Google's mind, and Google keeps changing its mind anyway"

    Or something like that!
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