View Poll Results: Should eCOGRA suffer a campaign against there lastest actions with GP?

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  • Maybe. There may be reasons for the conclusion..like ..payoffs

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    Default How Many Would Like To See eCOGRA Put Out of Business!

    i want a poll taken and then some type of committee put together to go after eCOGRA or at least put up a HUGE marketing campaign against this bogus company!

    How many people believe eCOGRA is NOT an upstanding company with good moral ethics?
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    I'm waiting for a reply from eCOGRA regarding my questions before I vote, but IMO eCOGRA is just looking out for Microgaming and willing to screw afffiliates out of commissions owed with thier latest so called 'investigation'.

    I hope that I'm wrong by feeling like this, but I doubt it. If eCOGRA thinks that WE will settle for this then they are mistaken. IMO they deserve to be pressured into doing the right thing and pay us a "FAIR" settlement and not insult us like they have done to date!

    All the bad press they've experienced up till now will look like childs play because the $HIT will be hitting the fan soon enough!

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    It looks like eCogra did a disservice to affiliates regarding Grand Prive. Of course we haven't' seen what information Grand Prive provided to them. Once we see that we can determine who is truly at fault. Clearly affiliates are getting the short end of the stick.
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    There is no proof that ecogra was aware of the discrepancies.

    If GP untagged the players upon closure of the program, it would explain my alotment which is less than one month's traditional revenues.

    So for now , if we must speculate, that would be my assumption.

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    I agree with you guys. IMO the investigation was flawed from the start, but that's not going to help the result.

    What can realistically be done at this point? eCOGRA seems satisfied and has closed the case.

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    Ecogra is a joke , I won't vote because they are not worth the 1 second I need to click and vote.

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    They need to do a good few things.

    I think if they closed, players would not benefit atall.

    Ibas are better, but far from perfect. What Ibas don't do, is loftily claim to independently regulate, approve, assure the game is fair, rules are fair, etc.

    They just independently of the operators completely, albeit slowly, adjudicate on betting disputes, and attempt to prevent disputes via examining and changing rules where necissary.

    <ramble>Can Ecogra pull it off?

    Somehow, that's a divisive question.

    Crazy, but true.

    Something's not right though, is it? & now webmasters can see it, can't you.

    It's a pity this firm have such heavyweight backing, because it's their weakness.

    Free Andrew Beveridge.</ramble>

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    'Fess up:

    NO WAY! They did an excellent job with GP
    Who voted for that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Caruso View Post
    'Fess up:



    Who voted for that?


    Thanks Caruso.....I thought the same thing! LOLLL
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    eCogra was flawed from the start.

    The problem is people want to believe in something that will protect their interests.

    Fact is eCogra was founded on MGS capital just like IGC (interactive gaming council) was too.

    Six months before eCogra opened, a well know casino watch dog site went hell for leather in closing down any competition.

    As per usual it was touted that players needed to be protected from these flaccid & or in one instance a self funded RTG mediation site (memory thinks it was Playsafe)

    Surprise, surprise 6 months later eCogra opens its doors. Further surprise came when it was discovered that the owner of this casino watch dog site was also a consultant for eCogra.

    Anyway...throw a couple of million towards marketing and you can make a duck look like a swan.

    Problem is eCogra is nothing more than an elaborate hoax.

    On its home page it states:
    "Play without worry where you see this seal"

    Yet on another page it reneges on this statement and states the following:

    http://www.ecogra.com/approved.aspx?OP=P

    "While eCOGRA does its utmost to ensure compliance with its principles, it cannot offer 100% assurance that the operation of any games at any given site is at all times in accordance with the eCOGRA requirements. Therefore eCOGRA cannot assume responsibility for the consequences resulting from the use of any Internet gaming site bearing the eCOGRA Safe and Fair seal."

    Thinking that eCogra would step up to the plate (effectively biting the hand that feeds it), and provide an unbiased representation for affiliates that were shafted by Grand Prive Group was IMHO fool hardy, given that their words (in my opinion) mean absolutely jack **** in credibility.

    My personal view...Send a strong message to all affiliate programs that dare **** with us, by taking a class action again Grand Prive Group & MGS if need be.

    I'm sure no programs would want to find themselves in such a situation. Which would equate to no more affiliate f#cking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominique View Post
    There is no proof that ecogra was aware of the discrepancies.
    So they shouldn't have been expected to recognize discrepancies? I would think that "qualified Chartered Accountants with substantial industry experience", who had more than adequate access to data, could easily recognize abnormal test results which would necessarily indicate discrepancies! If they can't should they really be in charge of overseeing fairness, accuracy etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominique View Post
    There is no proof that ecogra was aware of the discrepancies.
    There is now anecdotal evidence that they knew about Referspot...and did not act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyl View Post
    They need to do a good few things.
    I think if they closed, players would not benefit atall.

    Ibas are better, but far from perfect. What Ibas don't do, is loftily claim to independently regulate, approve, assure the game is fair, rules are fair, etc.

    They just independently of the operators completely, albeit slowly, adjudicate on betting disputes, and attempt to prevent disputes via examining and changing rules where necissary.
    The current dispute model is as much of a crap as the current bonus model and needs to be redesigned form the scratch too...

    (instead of having a system like where some casinos are more accredited, some are less, some not at all and some are rogue without any consequences - and attach a letter to it like on SBR - it would be better to set it up in a way that everyone has to behave to a given set of rules and if that doesn't happen the license is quickly withdrawn and the casino/sportsbook... effectively shutdown because the server is located for example in the licensing jurisdiction or the payment processors stops processing the money, the software provider disables the software etc. The dispute process would then be build around this model and if implemented it would be impossible for a rogue to survive...)

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