How much should I pay a betting writer?

[Rostick]

So right now I was just about to send some e-mails to a couple of guys to offer them guaranteed money to write on my tipping website as editors (as opposed to participating in the tipster competition) - but the thought crossed my mind to ask about it here first, because I have no idea how much to offer to these guys. Also, I would have no idea if their possible counter-offer would be legit.

Requirements
- quality betting previews. let`s say 150-400 words, but it`s not just about words.
- 10-15 previews per month (not sure about the number. let`s go with 10 for this topic)
- they have to put some work by adding a picture, putting a link, etc.

Honestly I was looking at sums like 25 euro / month (no matter the results), because my budget is low. Might be ridiculously low, but I have no idea. These guys are already in the tipster competition, fighting for prizes from 60 to 35 euros, half of them cash - from this standpoint 25 euros makes sense, as it would be guaranteed. But they would have to take a small step up in quality / work.

What do you think, I would love some feedback on this, it would help me a lot.

For what it`s worth, writers would be from countries like Romania, so obviously X euros here means more than X euros in the UK or Germany, even if I guess it sounds a bit wrong, as you should get paid for what you bring to the table, doesn`t matter where you are from.

[TheGooner]

People in major Western economies might baulk at the idea of the rate considering it low, but then they are coming from a country with a minimum rate of 10-15 dollars/euros per hour.

When I did a quick check of the Romanian living standard - it seems to suggest that a monthly salary of 400 Euros (for 150 hours work) is average and that works out at about 2.5 euros per hour.
(source : http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living...ayCurrency=EUR )

If you are offering a couple of euros = a couple of beers for a preview about the size of what you posted then I think that's a fair rate for casual "beer money" writer - if it takes 30 minutes to write a preview then you are paying above average.


It's not going to make them rich - but it is going to buy a beer or two each time that they post an article and that seems to me to be a good rate to test and make sure that both of you are happy with the work / reward involved.

I'd certainly try to find a good keen local writer in that range and see how it works out.

[edgarf76]

I am paying 10-15 for 400 words

[Rostick]

@Gooner - Yep, that`s the only reason I said it, because I`m sure for rich-country readers it would sound like garbage. Your source is spot on about Romania, it`s exactly like you said (bit worse maybe, but close).

@edgarf76 - I`m surprised. Do they bring top quality? Could you give an example?

Thanks guys, helpful answers!

PS: These guys are not noobs. They are good tipsters and intelligent persons with excellent English and sports knowledge. They are also on the radar of other tipping websites. So I guess that should raise the bar for their earnings.

[casinojack99]

It really depends from which country your tipsters are coming. If they are from the UK or any other central or western European country I am not sure if the would bother earning €25 considering the work required to research and write a decent article.

I would look for South African writers for these rates to be honest. Most of the people their love, football pretty much everyone is fluent in English and €25 more a month makes a huge difference for some.

[thebookiesoffers]

bit off topic mate, but for quality articles I wouldnt be looking at 150-400 words, more likely 500+

[Rostick]

Not articles, but betting tips, I guess it`s a difference. I write 400-600 words on my tips and even I admit it`s way too long. Better to be concise I think.

[wonderpunter]

350 to 550 is the sweet spot.. I have written longer but there does not seem to be any difference, Edgars price is that of a native speaker.. trying to get a brit or american to work for a few euros is tough.. however if you can convert then they should pay for themselves.. I actually pay people a full time salary all native speakers, and as of next week we will be producing 700-1000 articles per month

[thebookiesoffers]

350 to 550 is the sweet spot.. I have written longer but there does not seem to be any difference, Edgars price is that of a native speaker.. trying to get a brit or american to work for a few euros is tough.. however if you can convert then they should pay for themselves.. I actually pay people a full time salary all native speakers, and as of next week we will be producing 700-1000 articles per month

Are you aware of pop up on your site? same one i was getting on mine and was advised it was from the gpwa seal being hacked. I've took a screenshot for you but can't get it on here, i've emailed it your contact address

[wonderpunter]

no I wasn't.. I thought that was fixed? thanks for the heads up... no one else has mentioned it.. and i have a few people view.. as well as myself from various browsers and vpn's.. are you sure its not from one of your browser plugins or malware... can anyone else see the same?

[wonderpunter]

I just removed it, could you please check again for me? I am very meticulous about things like that.. And also despise popups.. even more when they are not my own

[xecutable]

Offtopic: I've been on your site a couple of times, never seen a pop up or anything like that. About the thread, am I reading this correctly 25 euro /month for minimum of 10 tips around 400 words or 0.006c a word?

For that amount of money I guess as Gooner mentioned, something local, perhaps Indian, Philippines markets, anything with low wages. I do not know your history or how much you are making and stuff, but I'm guessing you are tired of writing alone or your time is limited?

In my opinion, and this is just a phrase you get what you pay for, and if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's not exact science I'm sure there are exclusions. I wrote everything alone up to the 3rd year, sometimes 12 posts a day, but I loved it. I didn't want anyone else to mess up my "baby" aka the website (haha too cheesy?).

The only way I'd let someone work is if they added more value that I was already putting. An UK content writer that I liked after a few previews cost me 5c a word or 20$ a preview, but I believe it's well worth the money and it nothing compared to the earnings anyways: 400-500$ for content a month should be a problem I'd think.

Now that I moved, because I have like almost no friends and nothing to do, I write again, cause well what else is there to do. My suggestion is, if you have the time, invest it write it yourself. Otherwise spare a bigger budget and get yourself good material. TBH I'd feel bad exploiting someone's work for that much because of their economical background, id probably even tip them a 100

[eaton2003]

I pay $10-15 per article and each article has about 600 or sometimes more words and written by a native english speaker with ample of knowledge in sports. Average price per article is $12.

[thebookiesoffers]

I just removed it, could you please check again for me? I am very meticulous about things like that.. And also despise popups.. even more when they are not my own

i will check tomorrow, i was told it will only show once a day per ip so wont show for me now anyway. search for the pop up thread i did, good info on that

[Rostick]

In my opinion, and this is just a phrase you get what you pay for, and if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's not exact science I'm sure there are exclusions. I wrote everything alone up to the 3rd year, sometimes 12 posts a day, but I loved it. I didn't want anyone else to mess up my "baby" aka the website (haha too cheesy?).

That is exactly what I did, exactly, just 2 years instead of 3. But I need more content if I want to live off my website and more diversity as well. I also need to put a bit less time in writing and more in website development, because I`m falling back in tehnology.

Thanks guys, helpful answers. I know the writers I want, they are already tipsters, couple of guys from Romania, maybe one from Croatia, so it`s not a thing of looking for people. I guess I`ll start with 25 euros and see what they think, I could go a little higher. Now I have an image on the average numbers that should be paid.

PS: Interesting to see what`s happening with that popup, I had the same problem, hope it`s not back. I don`t use the gpwa script anymore.

[Casino Strategy]

I think the same as the guys above, 25 euros is way too low. First off, I'm from a not-so-rich country close to Romania, and those figures are a bit off. 25 euros is around 5-10 beers depending on the quality - meaning you pay them 1 beer/article. The prices are not Western European for sure, you can go quite lower, but we're still not India or Philippines in this respect. Also keep in mind that you may think non-natives are cheaper, but you have to proofread and potentially re-write the article they send you - which is a lot of time investment you can save by a native.

I have a pretty limited experience, but a few years ago I translated and proofread from English to my tongue for a poker-related website (they were quite huge, one of the biggest sites), and I had a rate of .04$/word on translation and .01$/word on proofreading. Content creation was quite a bit higher, if the rumors were true.

Anyway, hope it helps, good luck finding a reliable writer or two.

[Rostick]

@casinostrategy

Nope, I already know I can rely on the english of the readers.

It did help, thanks!

[Syndicate]

I have Romanians working for me, and they are excellent value. However, the lowest i ever paid anyone was €500 per month for watching a screen to monitor odds. I have some other guys on 2K, but they are good, and offer me excellent in depth match reports which in turn makes my profits bigger............ All the same - Pay peanuts and you get monkeys.

Whilst i respect what you are asking, i would think poor previews would do more damage than good. Nevertheless, for a mainly non-English speaking audience (betdistrict) i don't think you would need perfection. But, you certainly need previews of a lot more than the 150 words. I would suggest at least 400.

Maybe you should look for someone in Moldova. A country were the economy is well and truly f..... . And, maybe just stick with one person at first, make them work more. Either way, your aim has got to be generate more revenue, which in turn will give you more liquid (money).

[edgarf76]

350 to 550 is the sweet spot.. I have written longer but there does not seem to be any difference, Edgars price is that of a native speaker.. trying to get a brit or american to work for a few euros is tough.. however if you can convert then they should pay for themselves.. I actually pay people a full time salary all native speakers, and as of next week we will be producing 700-1000 articles per month

Exactly and it includes tips and helps conversions. Rostic I just sent u a pm.

[Chris_garratt]

You get what you pay for...