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    Default Integra Partners SPAM (PRIOR OWNERS)

    So I was hit today 2 times by them for 2 different email accounts, same message.

    From 1 I asked how they did get my email, and the reply was
    Hello to you too J

    I liked your site, thought we could work together so I did WhoIs

    and contacted you.
    white is not true!!
    As non of those emails I ve recieved this spam is connected with any of my domains!!!!

    INTEGRA PARTNERS - GPWA SPONSORS PLATINUM ARE SPAMMERS!!!!!


    Dear XXX XXXX,



    I am happy to introduce to you the new Grand Duke Casino, powered by Playtech.

    My name is Nir B.M and I am the global affiliate manager at Integra Partners.com

    (Platinum sponsors GPWA.org see here).



    We have over 200 games including all new branded slots and games, for example Rocky,Pink Panther,

    King Kong, Ironman and many others.



    I am interested in collaborating with you and affiliate our casino with your website or any of your traffic generated by you.

    Our casino players enjoy one of the highest welcome bonuses in the industry:

    100% bonus up to 1,200 $ to all players (no code needed) !



    Please let me know what you need from me in order to put our banners on your website.



    I will be happy to provide you with a 400-600 words articles (casino reviews) so you can place in your site

    (Have we mentioned that “Content is King! “ J )



    Drop me a note once you sign up so I could quickly have you approved and send you

    marketing materials for you to start.



    With kind regards,

    Nir B.M

    Global Affiliate Manager
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    Integra Partners
    Shenkar 4, Herzliya Pituach, 46725 Israel

    Skype: nir.bm

    e-mail: nir.b@intpar.com

    www.intpar.com |www.grandduke.com

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    Dear "Thedeal"

    My name is Yuval and I am the affiliate program manager.
    The mail(s) you have received are not called SPAM but rather introduction emails.
    There is a very well known and common way of interaction in this market between affiliates and operators.
    You were contacted with good failth in order to be doing good business. If it has insulted you as an affiliate then I do apologize and we will not be working with you unless you wish to and sign up to our program.

    I trust you understand, wishing you all the best

    Yuval
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    This is not spam. These guys are merely contacting you to work with you. If you don't want to be contacted by AM's then choose another industry

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    The mail(s) you have received are not called SPAM but rather introduction emails.
    There is a very well known and common way of interaction in this market between affiliates and operators.
    You were contacted with good failth in order to be doing good business. If it has insulted you as an affiliate then I do apologize and we will not be working with you unless you wish to and sign up to our program.
    Well, to be brutally honest, sending unsolicited marketing emails whether they be introduction letters or whatever to an email address you got from a whois is AGAINST ICANN policy.

    The emails contained within the whois is for domain administration only and is NOT a marketer's personal email list.

    Utilizing emails compiled this way is nothing more than a compiled email list and is NOT your own customer/personal contact list.

    Sending marketing emails to thoise you do not have a prior business relationship with, and in fact 90% of the time you have never even heard of them, is nothing more than UNSOLCITED Marketing mail which is the definition of SPAM!

    Then on top of that, when asked whewre you got the emails you LIE about it.

    I too have gotten some of these mails and have been told it was from the whois, and I NEVER use the same email for domains as I do here or with programs....

    At some point in the future we are likely to find out what managers and programs are sharing our email accounts with outher managers and programs and when we do we will likely react rather heavily....I personally will go out of my way to ruin the day of anyone I know that is trading or selling my email account.

    And if you wanna sit back and tell yourself that this practice should be ok, then by all means be prepared to have the same chat with affiliates that sit back and find lists of email addresses that are posted around the internet and start sending marketing spam to them promoting your casinos because if its ok for YOU to send spam to lists of emails "compiled" in such a way, your terms of service better allow the affiliates to do the same thing.

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    point taken , but how do people do business in this world if its forbidden to approach each other, I mean in any vertical not just internet ?

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    I bet if I was handing out some cool merchandise to affiliates via an introduction email, I would not have been called a spammer. It goes both ways, I get emails from my regular " contact" email in our affiliate website from people asking me to consider buying their websites, or links, or provide content and so on and on. So? are they all spammers because they were not opt-in to my list? I dont think so...
    presenting a business in a nicely manner in one or two emails is not spam. If that one new affiliate thinks it is, thats his own right. This whole thread is going in wrong directions so I will stop it here. I reccomend we affiliates and managers focus on working hard to get or convert traffic, isnt that our job?
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    How about some brave affiliate manager actually tell us who is out there selling/trading our email accounts?

    We all know someone is, we just haven't been able to definitively determine who.....YET!

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    I have my suspicions on one though.. A former AM who worked for a Top Game casino affiliate program...

    And for Yuval and Integra, my impression is that he's a good guy, talked to him over skype and got nothing but good to say about him.

    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    How about some brave affiliate manager actually tell us who is out there selling/trading our email accounts?

    We all know someone is, we just haven't been able to definitively determine who.....YET!

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    i know about an affiliate db floating around and it is a huge one, so whoever it is...it is coming from one of the large programs. i received same email 2-3 days ago from duke. i actually think it is a good thing to do on their behalf, because i wouldn't have seen their program otherwise and i believe it might convert well.

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    Sure they are spamming !

    I got a mail + they used contact form (Well that could maybe be ok) but it was on my "Poker Rakeback" site, and they are promoting a freaking casino. How is that not spam..... There is not even 1 casino listed on my site, and even if they had a poker room (which i donīt think they have), they are on playtech sofware, so they could not promote a poker room on my site anyway since it has "rakeback" in the domain.

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    Ey, come on!

    I'm pretty sure it's not Yuval who have emailed you, is it?
    Isn't it Nir?

    I know that a new fresh AM with no experience will reach out for any leads he/she gan get and maybe, and I mean MAYBE this is one of those freshmens..

    I can for real go in good for Yuval and Integra but I can not speak for his AM's though.

    Don't blame him and Integra for bad AM's.. Send them an email and let them know about your thoughts.



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    Sure they are spamming !

    I got a mail + they used contact form (Well that could maybe be ok) but it was on my "Poker Rakeback" site, and they are promoting a freaking casino. How is that not spam..... There is not even 1 casino listed on my site, and even if they had a poker room (which i donīt think they have), they are on playtech sofware, so they could not promote a poker room on my site anyway since it has "rakeback" in the domain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakank View Post
    Ey, come on!

    I'm pretty sure it's not Yuval who have emailed you, is it?
    Isn't it Nir?

    I know that a new fresh AM with no experience will reach out for any leads he/she gan get and maybe, and I mean MAYBE this is one of those freshmens..

    I can for real go in good for Yuval and Integra but I can not speak for his AM's though.

    Don't blame him and Integra for bad AM's.. Send them an email and let them know about your thoughts.
    I am just telling my story, and itīs facts

    But i can confirm your suspicion, that it was a guy called Nir.
    I donīt really care what the name is, they guy represent integra and did not spend 2 min on my site, cause if he did, he would not have contacted me (twice, lol).

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    I donīt really care what the name is, they guy represent integra
    This is really the main point.

    If we hire someone, and they spam to a list of potential players and generate complaints, we risk getting our affiliate accounts closed for a breach of terms, and we can't justify it away by saying "Sorry the guy I hired did it"

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    Hi Yuval - I can understand what your saying and its no big deal really - but Nir has contacted me 4 times since June 2nd.

    Let me explain sort of why this could be considered spam if you don't mind mate and at the end of this I would like you to personally make comment on this type of emailing campaign - i want to know exactly what your thoughts are on this please and i will wait for your reply.

    On June 2nd I got an email to my poker site to promote your casino - the generic email that everyone has been getting. The one posted above.

    No worries its all good mate I dont mind chatting with a keen new AM in the industry. I replied back to Nir and we chanted a bit and we decided not to promote your program and all was good we closed off the contact and everything was very pleasant. Thats great!!

    Then on June 6th - after our last email was June 5th to close of contact we got the exact same email. It was just totally the same as if we never spoke. My assumption is he has a database of emails and is firing off the emails to everyone on the list.

    So no worries i considered it an error and replied back that we had already spoken and figured he would reply back with ok my apologies. Instead we got no reply which is alright as well. Errors happen and sometimes we send duplicate emails right?

    Then again on June 12th i got another email saying we have not replied to his previous email and we did. This was the third email from him and we already spoke a few times. The second time i emailed back saying we already spoke. Now this is the third time.

    So once again i emailed back and said we already spoke and again no reply from him or apology.

    And quess what?

    Today i got the first email again introducing himself to me again with the same email like we never spoke.????

    Now let me ask you - do you not consider this spam? Is it appropriate for him to send 1 single affiliate 4 emails like this repetitively like this? Even after we decided not to work together the first time.

    The first and second one fine no worries like you said - but the third and forth? Even after we replied?

    How many times will Nir send me the same email over and over?

    I would like you to personally let me know if you think this is appropriate AM behavour? Yes or no please?

    And do you consider this spam?

    I have all emails which i will post if you need them to verify.

    As it stands its no big deal to me atm - since it was easy to just recycle bin it after replying - but i can understand how some affiliates would get frustrated by this - do you understand?

    1 email is enough. 2 is for sure enough.

    After 2 emails its considered spam in my books - and i would ask you guys to please remove me from your database please.

    Thanks a bunch mate i await your speedy reply.

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    Ouch Integra lol
    I understand it but it don’t make it right

    Shoulda just took the lumps and added a comic twist to something thats obvious. Intro email or not its still what most now consider spam.

    However, in your defense I feel most programs do this to our conversions with cross marketing so whatever right?

    I for one am actually kinda glad I got the email. As long as it is in line with what I feel my job=(now called a hobby) - (marketing casinos) My feeling is you are just offering a open door for me to walk through. I see nothing wrong with presenting an opportunity thats viable. Thats just me though
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    I must admit that all of the emails are irritating me too, as I have over 150 sites and somehow they have found my email addresses for all of the sites, so I get a good 10 or so emails a day from them...however, having said that - In fairness, how are they to know that all the sites belong to the same person and I do accept that its really the only way to get new affiliates. Its no big deal to me to delete the emails.
    The ones that irritate me are when new programs send attachments and large emails which take ages to download..those ones get my backup but a simple paragraph is no big deal.

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    true Heather!!! LOL i know..

    What if they keep emailing you after you said no thanks the first time?

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    I also got the "you did not reply spam mail" yesterday, when in fact i did reply. I told them to slow down, since they contacted me twice to get a casino listed at my RAKEBACK site. (donks)

    I understand that programs need new affiliates, but lol please, they did not spend 2 seconds on my site. They just spend the time spamming instead.

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    I just don't bother replying on these messages from NiR. A manager that didn't bother to check the content of my website and offers me something that's totally unrelated, doesn't really need my attention. I however do not consider those messages spam, just a way of trying to reach me.

    But... promoting casinos and stuff to people with poker or sports betting websites, is like me offering sports betting bonuses to bingo players.

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