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    This was a test. Kentucky was doing the 141 domains first.

    The next wave is to be domains numbering in the thousands. Most on the advanced list are affiliate and information sites. Some of my domains are on their list. Gambling911 is on the next list as well.

    Godaddy execs are telling me a different story. They have procedures for domain acquisition. What I read and what I hear in Godaddy are 2 different stories.

    Nevertheless, assuming that Godaddy did 'roll over' and hand the domain certs over to the Commonwealth of Kentucky, then prudence demands we research now for non-USA based registrars. This will allow for (1) an early registrar switch and (2) an extra especially difficult legal hurdle for the State of Kentucky if they move to stage 2.

    I will look into this, but there are a limited number of ICANN certified registrars.

    Note that Verisign is ultimately in control over .com (**see here for a list of ICANN certified registrars for .com domains***)

    Still, we need to look at :

    --> Country
    --> Financial Stability of the company
    --> Transfer fees (in and out - we may have to do this again)
    --> Annual Domain Fees

    ...and find the best options. I suggest accredited ICANN registrars only, as if the company folds, your options are less limited.

    Its a holiday for me, but please take a look and see what we as a group come up with. Maybe something cheaper and better than Godaddy can be had.

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    Here's our story on the hearing:

    Ruling in Kentucky domains case expected next week

    8 October 2008
    By Vin Narayanan

    Defense attorneys had their day in court Tuesday as they tried to convince Judge Thomas Wingate to dismiss Kentucky's attempt to seize 141 online gambling domains.

    Wingate spent over three hours hearing oral arguments about Kentucky's bid to shut down online gambling in Kentucky by seizing the domains of gambling sites. And at the end of the hearing, Wingate indicated that he would issue his ruling on Oct. 15.

    "The lawyers representing the 141 domains did an excellent job of pointing out issues of law that show the Commonwealth didn't have the authority to do this," said John Pappas, executive director of the Poker Players Alliance.

    Last week, the PPA filed an amicus brief arguing that poker sites should not be included in the state's action because poker is a skill game.

    "I also believe that there was a sense from the judge that he was fully understanding the impact of his order," Pappas said.

    "It was an educational process and good listening session for the judge," said Jennifer Brislin, communications director for the Justice and Public Safety Cabinet, which filed the lawsuit on behalf of the government.

    "We have a very strong case and nothing that happened yesterday did anything to diminish that," Brislin added.

    Tuesday's hearing focused on standing, whether Kentucky has jurisdiction over domain names and arguments that domain names were not illegal gambling devices.

    Next week's ruling is expected to be about those issues, Brislin told Casino City. The judge might also "lay out the plan for going forward" with the forfeiture hearing, Brislin said.


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    I made the list of ICANN Accredited registrars for dot-com names easier to manage.

    HERE is a list of NON USA ICann Accredited Registrars.

    I removed some countries not friendly to online gaming as well, such as Germany, Japan, India, etc.

    So this is where we should go shopping. Some countries rates are insane. Some (like France) are pretty comparable to US rates.

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    According to quite a few operators Instra is the place to go
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    The Grand Chief of the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake has sent Kentucky officials a letter rebuking the state's governor for seizing online gambling domains.

    "We are compelled to draw to your attention that your actions will also adversely affect the members of our community - and that is not acceptable."

    "This is a perfect example of someone who knows nothing about the effects of their actions," said Grand Chief Michael Ahríhrhon Delisle, Jr. "It's not the first time that a government has tried to prevent us from conducting business and it won't be the last. But, rest assured, we will always protect our jurisdiction and the integrity of the Kahnawake Gaming Commission."
    Full story here ... http://www.pokerpages.com/poker-news...able-31191.htm

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    Alex? Instra? They charge AUD $88 for a dot.com. Thats USD $60 per year.
    http://www.instra.com/domains/pricing.htm

    That's almost 10 times their cost and a 90% profit.

    There are much better deals out there.

    BookMyName.com (France) is 5 Euro per year (USD $6.81):
    Price List
    They are clearly in France.

    There should be others, but the strategy is to choose:

    1) The best Jurisdiction, protective/friendly to online gaming
    2) The best Price.

    Homework still being done.

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    In a nutshell, Kentucky again has no case. If domains are seized this would be voluntary.

    I find no laws stating otherwise. Kentucky cannot govern the web nor the world. The case has no merit and is an insult.

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    The case has no merit and is an insult.
    However, what I do find insulting is the hidden agenda's found in this thread. Affiliates want facts not shill attempts by the so called "industry leaders."

    Buy and look here for new domains etc... blah blah. Would have been an interesting discussion until the hustlers entered the fray. Damming words? you bet, no worse than what you are trying to sell to good honest affiliates.

    I stand behind TheGooners opinion.

    JMO

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    Question GoldenCasino Whois

    Hi Guys,

    I could be a little behind on this issue but I just did a whois search for goldencasino.com and it looks like they changed their registrar and it is no longer in control of KY..?

    Whois

    Registration Service Provided By:
    FIRST ALPINA TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
    Contact: +66.29575

    Domain Name: GOLDENCASINO.COM

    Registrant:
    Rosehip Ltd.
    Steven Melkman
    Caribbean Suite
    The Valley
    Anguilla
    null,TV1 11P
    AI
    Tel. +599.94611401

    Creation Date: 27-Oct-1997
    Expiration Date: 19-Nov-2010

    Domain servers in listed order:
    ns2.surf4speed.com
    ns1.surf4speed.com


    Is this old news?

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    PGaming.....

    I am not sure who you are referring to. It is best to call a spade a spade and be direct.

    If you were referring to me, as for what I specifically said, there is NO hidden agenda. This was a test. They have thousands more after this. It is beginning attempt to stifle the entire industry. The links I listed have no affiliate codes on them (I am not a domain affiliate). I don't own/invest in a registrar or make any money whatsoever on any domain transfer.

    For anyone with domain assets that generate capital in this business, using a Non-USA registrar that is protective to online gambling and also ICANN certified is a logical and prudent response.

    My domains are with Godaddy.....I am VERY concerned.

    I am still doing research. I will list all the prices for all the registrars sometime later today or tomorrow. They will be both in their local currency and in USD.

    I opened this to the public to see what deals are had out there. NOW is the time. If this passes, the next wave will be alot faster.

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    Yorktown,

    If GoDaddy begins surrendering domains to Kentucky this could possible trigger multiple lawsuits against them.

    The legalities in doing are immense; Trade Mark Issues, World Trade Organization Regulations, ICA disagrees with Kentucky, Violating U.S constitution (first amendment rights) and so forth.

    My apologies for being rude Yorktown, but better research is needed. At this point I believe Go Daddy cannot simply start seizing domains for the state of Kentucky.

    If anything GoDaddy laxed policies towards registrants regarding, content theft, spam email and whole host of other cyber crime is beyond comprehension. IMO not a good company to deal with in the first place.

    In addition I highly doubt microgaming.com will allow the seizure of its’ domain. The World Stage along with ICANN simply will not allow this to happen IMO.

    My coins are on the case being thrown out.

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    The legal motion from the ICA

    http://www.internetcommerce.org/ica-...icus_Brief.pdf

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    Agreed, PG - its all a sham.

    Remember the Dukes of Hazzard? Remember Boss Hogg? That's this court in Kentucky.

    I have spoken with some influential people in the business. They informed me that the governors office became interested in how Bodog lost their domain name. After that, they devised legal means to do a similar measure.

    It is a test. As for Godaddy, they have a procedure for this. As I understand it, the domains are frozen under any court order.

    My suggestion is simple.... find a better jurisdiction to avoid potential problems. That's what I am still researching.

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    OK. Done..... Here are the prices

    Price list for Non-USA Jurisdictions for Dot Com Registrars

    Interesting. Prices are all over the place.

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    "Computer problems" have delayed Judge Wingate's decision in the case ... a decision is expected to be handed down tomorrow in the early afternoon.

    http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/kentuc...-thursday-558/

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    1) Microgaming is not a gambling site - they are software developers. Interesting that they were on the list. Also, to my knowledge they have no connection with the US - based in Canada.

    2) If any webmasters are looking to buy domains - 123.com is the cheapest around for co.uk names.

    It's easy to buy a .com or .net from any cheap registrar in the US and then transfer it out of the country.

    I moved my sites to HostRoute in the UK when UIGEA went into effect and since then it's been nothing but headaches.

    They omitted to tell me (of course) that the UK Postmaster had blocked my IP's redirected sites' mail to the US because of excessive spamming by persons who, I discovered, are also on my IP. I had thought it was mine uniquely when I signed up.

    It's been almost a year now that I've been fighting to find out where to write to get my IP addy cleared from the block. AT&T has nothing to offer - not even a UK Postmaster email. No luck in Google either. My host has no suggestions - and, so far, I haven't been successful in getting them to give me a real unique IP.

    So, it looks as though I'll have to move again.

    Watch out for this kind of stuff which is not apparent when you sign up. It's impossible to know in advance if the IP you get, unique or otherwise, has email problems, especially if it's reassigned. These days, I can't download mail from MailWasher without getting error messages that one or another of my site's mail is blocked - they come and go. Recently, my default addy (which is not used on any site) was blocked - which wiped me out for about a week. Also, spam has increased - specifically from that default addy - which leads me to other suspicions.

    No-one can know everything in this ever-growing field - I've had gambling sites since 2004 and still get scammed.

    ntaus

    p.s. Admin. Not trying to deflect this thread - please move this post if it's inappropriate - thanks.
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    Default Appeals Court to convene on Nov. 18

    Poker News Daily is reporting that the appeals court that will take up the matter will convene on Nov. 18.

    http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/three-...mber-18th-612/

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