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    Default Kevin Oddy Scam - CasinosOnline.com

    Hi guys,
    Wanted to get your attention on a good fraud running out there.

    Been contacted few weeks ago by guy named Kevin ODDY, to discuss deal for CasinosOnline.com.

    @: kevin@casinosonline.com
    Skype: kevinoddy.casinosonline

    As you can see, Kevin is using CasinosOnline.com domain for his email.
    We unfortunately got caught in here, and if this is our issue to deal with, better be aware and not be fooled as well if you get contacted.

    CasinosOnline.com posted on Dec 10th a notice to alert about it: http://www.casinosonline.com/about-us/.
    I'm just sad they did not post it earlier as this guy seems to have been doing it for quite some time now... We're currently running investigations, if you guys have had same issue, will be happy to hear from you and any solution you may have found.

    Others, watch out!
    Cheers

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    Unlucky man, how much did you get burned for and by what method of payment did you use?

    Theses scams have been going round for a good while now, shame they are still catching people out.

    Good luck getting it sorted and thanks for sharing.

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    Sure is...
    Paid by wire, so pretty stuck.

    That was a pretty elaborated one.
    Although have to give credit to CasinosOnline who's been in constant touch since we notified them.

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    Sorry to hear that Louie. I hadn't heard of this one either till you made everyone aware. Appreciate you letting others know. I have let the whole of our team know.
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    So just out of curiousity, what would he ask for. Like an upfront payment or something to promote a brand?
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    This is unfortunate because I think firebrand have good casinos and Louis is a great affiliate manager.

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    I was made aware of this scam around October 2013. An affiliate manager contacted me about it and I informed the guys at casinosonline.com about it.
    What the guys said, and should server as a lesson to any affiliate manager, is that they receive all the emails affiliate managers send them. They only reply when they are ready to start working with you, and usually won't start working with you unless you meet them at conferences.

    As with any affiliate asking for a prepayment, one should only send the payment *after* the campaign goes live, to avoid such scams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick.RevenueJet View Post
    As with any affiliate asking for a prepayment, one should only send the payment *after* the campaign goes live, to avoid such scams.
    Good advice and insight in your post, Nick. However, look at the other side of the coin. There are programs who promise a "listing fee" or "prepayment", only to adjust or modify their agreement after the campaign has gone live. A solution to protect all parties involved (i.e. - a signed, written contract that specifically lists terms/dates/all promises, etc.) would be a good starting point. The contract should be sent/received/returned in a way that is not email (sent by post). This is surely useful for all parties to preserve their rights and also can be useful to the program (might raise a red flag if the affiliate "should" reside in Canada for example, but the agreement is being mailed to Cyprus or China).

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Shay- View Post
    Good advice and insight in your post, Nick. However, look at the other side of the coin. There are programs who promise a "listing fee" or "prepayment", only to adjust or modify their agreement after the campaign has gone live. A solution to protect all parties involved (i.e. - a signed, written contract that specifically lists terms/dates/all promises, etc.) would be a good starting point. The contract should be sent/received/returned in a way that is not email (sent by post). This is surely useful for all parties to preserve their rights and also can be useful to the program (might raise a red flag if the affiliate "should" reside in Canada for example, but the agreement is being mailed to Cyprus or China).
    A written contact is always a good solution, though with some of the programs out there it seems contracts are barely worth the cost of the ink used to sign them.

    About the payment - it is obviously much easier for an affiliate to remove the site from the list, then it is for an affiliate program to recover the money, which is why affiliates should launch the campaign prior to the money being sent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick.RevenueJet View Post
    A written contact is always a good solution, though with some of the programs out there it seems contracts are barely worth the cost of the ink used to sign them.

    About the payment - it is obviously much easier for an affiliate to remove the site from the list, then it is for an affiliate program to recover the money, which is why affiliates should launch the campaign prior to the money being sent.
    I cannot disagree with that. I'd also have to slide in there that I'd not do business with anyone I "thought" was likely to screw me.

    When I was a bit "younger" in the business, we had made a business decision that any company who approached us about a "partnership" would pay a listing fee. We used the "listing fee" to offset the cost of research & content creation. Additionally, we planned to use a portion of it to "expand" our "network" - whether that meant buying an additional domain or site or it meant putting it towards different methods of bringing more traffic to existing sites depended on circumstances at the time.

    We always asked for the listing fee up front but we were prepared to hear (and live with) "we'll pay after it goes live". On two separate occasions, we were burned by living with payment after the fact. Once it was "sorry mate, my boss decided against paying the listing fee. I feel horrible, but I can sweeten your rev share deal". I've also heard "my boss said he'll be happy to pay after you've sent us ten players" - this coming AFTER we went live on the campaign and AFTER we explained we would guarantee nothing in the "how many real players can you send us per month" game.

    Now days, I won't so much as open my word processor until it is payment received.

    With programs we approach, it is a different story, as I have no problem assuming the risk of non-payment.

    At the end of the day, a scammer on either side of the equation is unacceptable.

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    Can only agree with both Nick and Shay.
    You guys have valid points in both cases. I do believe your approach is best Nick, as i'd tend to say the one "paying" should have the most safety in the end. But I do also recognize the value of the work to be done by the affiliate to setup the launching.

    However, it's def a lesson, and we may change our politic, which was totally opened to upfront payment (as long as potential was there), to something much stricter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick.RevenueJet View Post
    About the payment - it is obviously much easier for an affiliate to remove the site from the list, then it is for an affiliate program to recover the money, which is why affiliates should launch the campaign prior to the money being sent.
    Quote Originally Posted by -Shay- View Post
    We always asked for the listing fee up front but we were prepared to hear (and live with) "we'll pay after it goes live". On two separate occasions, we were burned by living with payment after the fact. Once it was "sorry mate, my boss decided against paying the listing fee. I feel horrible, but I can sweeten your rev share deal". I've also heard "my boss said he'll be happy to pay after you've sent us ten players" - this coming AFTER we went live on the campaign and AFTER we explained we would guarantee nothing in the "how many real players can you send us per month" game.
    Two great contrasting points from opposite sides of the fence.

    Personally I see prepayment as a headache waiting to happen - never done it myself and don't intend on doing it any time soon...
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