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    Dear affiliate,


    We write with reference to Score, the Ladbrokes and LBapuestas Affiliate Programme in which you are currently participating.

    We regret to inform you that Ladbrokes and LBapuestas have taken the business decision to cease commercial partnerships with all of our affiliates based in the USA.

    In accordance with Clause 12.6 of our terms and conditions (a copy of which can be found by clicking on the following link http://www.score-affiliates.com), we hereby provide you with written notice that we are terminating our contract with you with effect from 23:59 on 31 October 2012.

    Of course, all commissions due and payable to you in respect of the period 1 October 2012 to 31 October 2012 (if any) will be paid in full in accordance with the terms of our contract with you. This is in addition to all other outstanding commissions (if any) due and payable by us to you in accordance with the terms of our contract. Please do so by emailing affiliatepayments@ladbrokes.co.uk with your payment details together with a pdf document on your company letterhead with the required
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    Please be aware that with effect from 23:59 on 31 October 2012 the licence granted to you pursuant to Clause 7.1 of our terms and conditions to display the relevant Ladbrokes and LBapuestas brand features and related content will terminate. Therefore we kindly request that you remove and refrain from using all Ladbrokes and LBapuestas branding (including, but not limited to, all of our logos, trade marks and trade names) and any other Ladbrokes and LBapuestas content from your website at all
    times after this date. Please also note that access from your website to our score platform will be blocked by us with effect from 23:59 on 31 October 2012 and therefore we also request that you remove all links on your website to the score platform with effect from this date.

    Should you have any queries, please contact affiliatequeries@ladbrokes.co.uk. We would like to thank you for your efforts to date and we look forward to working with you again in the future where business circumstances permit.

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    I am so sorry to hear this happened and I am so glad I never joined their program or sent them a single visitor.

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    And I am so glad I yanked them when they put up the quotas and lowered the commissions plus changed the affy software. So long Ladbrokes.
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    Like I said a couple of years ago when Bwin started this type of behavour - expect many more brands to do this. This is only the start.


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    I am very disappointed in Ladbrokes Casino and their decision to take the players that the US affiliates have sent to them, free of charge. This seems like a very underhanded way to treat people who have been advertising for them for years. Where is accountability in this industry?
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    Yes it is very disappointing. They are getting ready for U.S. regulation and covering all their bases, at the expense of the U.S. affiliates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Yes it is very disappointing. They are getting ready for U.S. regulation and covering all their bases, at the expense of the U.S. affiliates.
    I received this mail this morning. Apparently US affys are high risk. I'm not clear on how to perceive that. High risk for what exactly?

    If anything, Ladbrokes has placed itself 'high risk' for a willingness to take earnings. It's one thing to choose to close to whomever they want. Fine. But they must pay on players brought in by affiliates that are still playing. They are confiscating earnings and if they do get to market the US, they can be sure that this episode will affect their trustworthyness.

    Dear Affiliate,

    With regards to our earlier official communication on our termination of affiliate partnerships with affiliates based in the USA, we would again like to express our sincere apologies for this undesirable change, which we are aware may have affected your business model.

    As a public limited company, we constantly monitor risks to our business and working with affiliates directly or indirectly associated with the USA is regrettably perceived as high risk.

    We have sent this notice to all affiliates that have a USA address or USA payment method on their account in our affiliate platform. You will have access to the platform until the 31st October 2012 after which, we will be setting your account to inactive.

    Should you feel that you have received this communication in error or should you wish to discuss this decision further, please contact us on affiliatequeries@ladbrokes.co.uk or your preferred Affiliate Manager.

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    Absolute joke - I am glad I've never worked with them

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    Would ladbrokes permit the sale or transfer of US affiliate accounts to non-us affiliates?

    Their answer to this would at least reveal their true motivations behind binning the Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Yes it is very disappointing. They are getting ready for U.S. regulation and covering all their bases, at the expense of the U.S. affiliates.
    This is why I said 3 years ago that 'dealing with brands that offer services to US players is a waste of time and not a good thing to do'. That was when QT closed keeping our money and many others.

    This is the beginning of the end of the good ole days that many of us once knew.

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    This is why I said 3 years ago that 'dealing with brands that offer services to US players is a waste of time and not a good thing to do'.
    Thats just the thing though, i am pretty sure that Ladbrokes have never accepted players from the US even in the good old days. Would love to find out how they perceive their Marketing partners in certain areas of the world a risk. Perhaps someone at the GPWA can contact Ladbrokes and get specifics re this decision.

    Sounds a bit strange to me to say the least.

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    Really Interested to hear the reasons as there must be ways affiliates can remain on the books and Ladbrokes is able to be compliant

    How would it work if say you were a major media brand but your parent company was based in the us or for example the owner, I.e. isn't the man utd owner us... Or what if you are based in the us but your company is registered somewhere else.... Another example is news international, they are a us company and own part of bskyb and don't they own odds checker??....and what if you are a us citizen but living in the uk?
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    Right, I was being more general then anything as I've never really worked much with them, but I have removed a lot of US player based brands over the past few months.

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    Thats just the thing though, i am pretty sure that Ladbrokes have never accepted players from the US even in the good old days. Would love to find out how they perceive their Marketing partners in certain areas of the world a risk. Perhaps someone at the GPWA can contact Ladbrokes and get specifics re this decision.

    Sounds a bit strange to me to say the least.

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    I was in Barcelona when this change was made, so I have not been able to follow-up very thoroughly yet. But so far I have ascertained that an affiliate in the US that has both a US corporate entity and a corporate entity outside of the United States will not have an issue if they switch the business entity with which Score is doing business to the business entity that is based outside of the United States.

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    they should allow this to happen to at least transfer to another account. If they can untag players and add them then they can certainly do this otherwise they appear to be looking for some excuse to cut off valuable players from American affiliates.

    What is next when they do for all markets?

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    Their answer to this would at least reveal their true motivations behind binning the Americans.

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    No legal basis or reason for this.

    I would love to hear what ladbrokes gives as a reason... but to be honest I don't think LB is going to say anything more about this.. on an official level.

    They just got away with a massive theft... And they are laughing their asses off at a bunch of stupid affiliates that won't/can't do a thing to them over them stealing their money.

    I wonder how many millions of $ they just stole?

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    Only the old timers will relate to this next statement but,

    Back in the old days, if a program pulled that they would lose many many affiliates from all over the world since back in those days we all stood together and many in other countries would threaten to leave them for adopting such rules.....since they all realized that it is only a matter of time before their country will be on the restricted list.

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    I am still confused about this. What is the problem with having US affiliates? There is no legal problem or issue that I know of, as long as we aren't playing with our earnings. Why is this an issue in the first place? As far as I know, the only illegality is in accepting US players and then paying them through questionable means. Can someone explain this to me, please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaqiC View Post
    I am still confused about this. What is the problem with having US affiliates? There is no legal problem or issue that I know of, as long as we aren't playing with our earnings. Why is this an issue in the first place? As far as I know, the only illegality is in accepting US players and then paying them through questionable means. Can someone explain this to me, please?
    I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that it's because of processor issues that us affiliates have been facing for years now. Processors keep going down. I assume that it puts the programs funds at risk. I'm just guessing and it's the only thing I can think of. Mr C indicated that usa affys can still use offshore business accounts.

    Even if that is true, the solution is not to cut off us affiliates earnings that they worked hard for. This is the worst thing they can do. Other programs are finding ways just fine. It's unacceptable and needs re-thinking.

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    If your in the US, I would be very very careful about having an 'offshore' bank account. The rules are very strict and the penalties for breaking the rules are very HARSH indeed. Spend a couple of hundred and talk to a Tax Attorney before you decide to open an 'off shore' account, it will be money well spent.

    Part of the reason for processors going down is the US government putting pressure on the financial system to stop online gambling money from being transferred between banks and the government does not care if you earned that money or won it... it is 'dirty' online gambling money to them.
    Yes it's wrong and probably not even 'legal' to stop money people EARNED from coming into the country... but the government does what it wants.

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