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    Man, I doubt an average worker can create a gun from plain steel, at least a one that will shoot. But there is a huge difference between making them available on that level.

    With what is going on in Europe, if there where guns and other weapons available on that level, you would have 10 mass murder events per month. Anyway, we grew in different places, so I doubt anyone of us will be convinced here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allfreechips View Post
    it all comes down to if someone wants to kill mass amounts of people they will. Gun is a tool just like a semi truck. Imagine if he stole an 18 wheeler and drove through the crowd?

    The only way to do gun control is to erase them from history and people minds, a decent shop worker can machine a revolver in under 1 day from blank steel.

    what new laws are needed past murder? What crazy liberal gun laws would have prevented this?

    Oh and what is an assault rifle? Still not sure what that means. Semi automatic? I have yet to see a rifle go and assault anyone by itself
    Just so I know, you're saying the US shouldn't ban guns because people are going to die anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by casius14 View Post
    Just so I know, you're saying the US shouldn't ban guns because people are going to die anyway?
    Yes that makes sense, this is why its not usually worth talking about these types of things. We shouldn't ban guns because its in our constitution to arm the citizens against the government. Its also a fact that criminals and mass murder type people most likely wont say "hey this is illegal to use a gun"

    Facts vs Feelings.

    Most of the last mass killings could have been avoided if we stop medicating these people with no supervision, yet again its coming out this man was on mind altering medications known to cause aggression.
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    Well, it's becoming interesting as more information comes to light. It seems it isn't a single shooter, but a carefully planned event. The bulk of the shooting came from the 4th floor, and the patsy was on the 23rd floor. The Australian in the room next to the patsy has said that the corridor outside the rooms was full of men BEFORE the shooting. There was also a security guard shot by other guards, and that doesn't seem to have been reported. The patsy seems to have links to antifa rather than Isil. Antifa is the activist group funded by Obama and Clinton. It's looking like another false flag event to try to impose gun control on America.

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    i think that is fake news @Ace Fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by allfreechips View Post
    it all comes down to if someone wants to kill mass amounts of people they will. Gun is a tool just like a semi truck. Imagine if he stole an 18 wheeler and drove through the crowd?

    The only way to do gun control is to erase them from history and people minds, a decent shop worker can machine a revolver in under 1 day from blank steel.

    what new laws are needed past murder? What crazy liberal gun laws would have prevented this?

    Oh and what is an assault rifle? Still not sure what that means. Semi automatic? I have yet to see a rifle go and assault anyone by itself
    Exactly, you need to do things a certain way from the beginning, that time has past.
    Pass all the laws you want, it will just create a black market where there will be no gun serial numbers or registrations.

    Could tighten up the gun shows though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allfreechips View Post
    We shouldn't ban guns because its in our constitution to arm the citizens against the government. Its also a fact that criminals and mass murder type people most likely wont say "hey this is illegal to use a gun"

    Facts vs Feelings.

    Most of the last mass killings could have been avoided if we stop medicating these people with no supervision, yet again its coming out this man was on mind altering medications known to cause aggression.
    The fact that it's in constitution doesn't mean it cannot be changed or that it is the right thing. For sure considering the fact it was written 200+ years ago. Basically, if i understand it correctly, its legal to purchase a tank as well no? it seems within the Right to bear arms part.

    There is no place on earth where have been so many shooting in schools, you seriously believe all those kids would shoot their schoolmates even if they didn't grow with guns in their hands? I don't live in the most peaceful country, but you give a gun here to an average 16-17 year old - i doubt he would know how to load it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elgoog View Post
    i think that is fake news @Ace Fun
    This is the problem with news these days.You can tell what is real, and what is fake. In this case there doesn't seem to be much evidence supporting the lone shooter news. The closest I have been to Las Vegas is Reno, and that was a good few years ago. I know they had fairly tight security then, and I suspect it has been tightened these days, and I find it difficult to understand how a lone operator could get that many guns into a hotel room, and then shoot people with guns that didn't have sufficient range. It wouldn't be too difficult to tie the death to the weapons, but that doesn't seem to have been done either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Fun View Post
    This is the problem with news these days.You can tell what is real, and what is fake. In this case there doesn't seem to be much evidence supporting the lone shooter news. The closest I have been to Las Vegas is Reno, and that was a good few years ago. I know they had fairly tight security then, and I suspect it has been tightened these days, and I find it difficult to understand how a lone operator could get that many guns into a hotel room, and then shoot people with guns that didn't have sufficient range. It wouldn't be too difficult to tie the death to the weapons, but that doesn't seem to have been done either.
    The concert was withing shooting range of AR-15 rifle(that was used by a shooter). It could be tough to hit a single target within that range, but if you are shooting on area - it`s more than enough. As for the security. I don`t know how it`s in Vegas, but I doubt that and old man who came to Vegas looked like a threat. Also, considering a festival, the hotels could be busy and examining a bag of each visitor would slow down the workflow dramatically. I`ve been to many hotels in my life and my bag was never inspected up on check-in.

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    Airports are among the busiest places on Earth, yet they still manage to scan/check every bag that goes in and out. Shouldn't a similar measure of security be put into effect at shopping centers, hotels, schools, movie theaters, etc if there's a chance that it would save life? I wouldn't mind paying a little extra to go to a safer shopping center or to send my children to a safer school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetbet View Post
    Airports are among the busiest places on Earth, yet they still manage to scan/check every bag that goes in and out. Shouldn't a similar measure of security be put into effect at shopping centers, hotels, schools, movie theaters, etc if there's a chance that it would save life? I wouldn't mind paying a little extra to go to a safer shopping center or to send my children to a safer school.
    Security measures in Airports are mostly a security theater. If such measures will be present in every school, theater, shopping mall or hotel, this will turn a city into hell. Let`s say you are travelling and decided to visit new city. 1 inspection in the airport, one at the hotel. You go to a shopping center - another inspection, then you decide to go for a movie and again an inspection. I also thinks that going through that much of scanning on a daily basis can be very unhealthy.

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    Then the insane people attack the lines where people are getting scanned.. its a reality that there are people who want to harm others that don't abide by laws no matter how many are made. Its terrible but true.
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    That's just awful ...

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    I have no radical stance about weapons. I simply do not know what should be done or allowed. I am learning to shoot with a gun, I will buy a gun, later maybe even the assault rifle, however I think that having a gun is in most cases more dangerous than not having it.

    Unlike most of people here I was assaulted few times with knives and once I was at a gas station that was at gas station when bunch of black guys from favela assaulted it with guns. In none of those situations the gun would make better outcome. No one died or was killed. So this is an argument against guns.

    However: I have experience from 2 Latin American countries where one has almost UK policy against guns and second has liberal US policy, where you can simply buy guns in supermarket without permission. The country, where the guns are prohibited is far more dangerous and there is safe place for anybody. The second country is much more safe (although nothing in UK or Euro standard), because many people really carry their guns and other people are scared to attack. There might be and for sure also other factors, like the more dangerous country is under the the cultural influence of wilder black culture.

    So I do not know what should be done. I just do not trust radical cowboys or pacifists. Also people who are seeking government permission for protection against government are missing the point. State will not help to protect people against itself. And in 21st century a war against state is not being held through weapons unless you have an U-bomb. If anyone wants a protection against state, he/she should start with cryptography, managing/hiding his online identity and so on.
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    just awful
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    It seems to me that when the constitution was written they were NOT expecting people to wander around carrying Gattling guns, and yet the equivalent firepower is now freely available in consumer form in the US, and there is no justifiable self defence and/or hunting scenario where these guns are reasonable.

    If enough citizens of the US think that toting guns (including these weapons for mass killing) is what defines them as US citizens and the US culture and want to keep them and the right to have automatic and semi-automatic weapons with armour piercing bullets freely available well then ... I guess that's fine by me.

    Live your life and have your gun culture ... it's American's business ... as long as there is no attempt to export that view.
    But don't act all surprised that when someone has a breakdown / goes mental / vents a grudge that it results in a mass shooting.

    Many more Americans die at the hands of gun toting fellow Americans every year than they do from international terrorism.

    Here are the numbers from 2001 to 2013 ...
    Total Americans killed by Firearms on US soil : 406,496
    Total Americans killed by terrorism anywhere : 3,380

    That is 100 times more people being killed by fellow Americans than by terrorists !!!

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    Just stop typing bullsh!t, stop trying to be a keyboard warrior and arguing a point of view pushed by blatant and blinded politics, and read the story think about the facts and consider the senseless killings ...

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    People are free to leave, and free to not visit the US.. simple, easy and straight forward. The us Constitution and amendments is the single strongest beacon of freedom in the world period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allfreechips View Post
    People are free to leave, and free to not visit the US.. simple, easy and straight forward. The us Constitution and amendments is the single strongest beacon of freedom in the world period.
    You're absolutely right, but Its very obvious that gun control has really gotten out of hand here. Especially in the USA. I mean, there are more and more people who hold firearms without a licence. Even their kids are getting their little hands on them and 'accidentally' shooting each other, even to the point of certain death, sadly. They're even getting caught up in gang shootings and such. This all really needs to stop immediately! We are already such a fragile World and species, too.

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    You can't legislate stupidity without being a non free society..
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    Quote Originally Posted by allfreechips View Post
    You can't legislate stupidity without being a non free society..
    Yes, definitely. You can't. It's just a really sad state of affairs for all the parties involved.


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