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    Default Is it me or is this industry turning to sh*t

    getting really pissed off with this industry of late

    Owed a sh*t load of money from SeanieMac since January and they've only bothered to send a small proportion after loads of failed promises. emailed all concerned yesterday or today, and been blanked

    Emailed Apollobet yesterday asking about payments, again, totally blanked

    Just logged in to my GR88 account to withdraw this months payment, only to find I can't as last months is still pending form 41 days ago

    Had full tilt, pokerstars and carbon poker close my account for not bringing them players, SO F**KING WHAT, Im not costing them anything

    Stan James, as people know, stole all my players, seems other firms are now going down this route as well now

    Anyone else feeling the same and getting pissed off with it all?
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    Sadly due to their terms and conditions there is very little we can do about it apart from letting other affiliates know. As they say "Power in Numbers".
    Currently dipping my toe back in the water with my pet project site, Vegan Chocolate.

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    Fortune Affiliates has blocked us 1500 players (most Italians due regulation) but also from the rest of the world (thanks to my aff. manager Martin Nicholson who made absolutely nothing at regard), they said they would contact players to transfer them to Italian related 'voglia di vincere' where after months, 0 players has been redirected. Instead, what i think possible, is that they are using my players list for their marketing profits and nothing else, so you are not the only one disappointed this time, i never had a worst time in gambling industry. Aff programs are becoming even more strict, in a moment so difficult for affiliates due search engines. Not to mention those who will close you account if you do not bring them players, pathetic, just ignore them and do not publicize them ever again, they do not deserve any recognition.

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    I've learned my lesson over the years so I'm cautious about choosing which brands to promote. Seeing these names is valuable info.

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    I don't THINK that the industry is turning sh!t, but it is always important to do diligence on a prospective partner.

    Potential financial failure is a fact of life in most industries, and I think that global stat is something like 80% of businesses will fail in the first 3-5 years. Additionally, working with the best calibre partners has helped us avoid most of the bad shocks - but it still happens.

    This year Carbon Poker has closed it's doors, and we've agreed to disagree with one major sports over the return that we receive.

    But as of yesterday - all 25 partners that we work with are bang up to date with payments - and are providing a good stable betting service to the players that we've recommended. That's a pretty good sign.

    Learning to say NO - to say NO early - and to say NO often when hearing a sales pitch from a small outfit is often a very sound policy. We just don't touch early cycle programs. If they succeed and grow a good reputation then we are happy to join up later and promote a quality product.

    This means that we might miss out on some spectacular early returns - but it also means that we miss out on a lot of the failures too.

    Work with the best - say no to the rest.

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    just stick with the paying ones ... why bother with shady programs ? if i have 2 months delay I just Remove the program and thats it .
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    This industry is a lot worse than it used to be. I avoid all the new and smaller companies, but I am still promoting at least three major companies I simply don't trust. One because I think they are deliberately shaving (and closing smaller affiliates), another because I know their stats are wrong since the 25th of this month (excluding players, yet again) and instead of being transparent they just get defensive and another because they are obviously skint and have closed other affiliates (some of them not so small). Yet I only promote the top firms. I think there are issues with almost all the firms I promote, except Bet365 who stand out as well ahead of the crowd. You then have the awards season giving away awards in turn to people who really deserve the sack.

    There are a lot more deductions than there ever were and I dont think marketing departments in a lot of firms realise that some affiliates spend very serious money on advertising - what an affiliate gets back is not their profit. In my case only a small percentage of revenue is profit. The attitude seems to have changed from wanting affiliates to screwing affiliates. That is why it sickens me when new firms (like Winner) come on the scene giving out sweets and being nice as pie when you know for certain they will shaft everyone they can when the player base is high enough.

    To answer your question, 'yes' it is going to sh!t.

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    SeanieMac and Apollobet are both white labels right? I definitely think there's a stronger chance of a white label going south than a full stand alone brand.

    I know what you mean though, there's been a lot of shenanigans this past year. But still, way better than sitting in an office making money for someone else, right?..
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldidiot View Post
    SeanieMac and Apollobet are both white labels right? I definitely think there's a stronger chance of a white label going south than a full stand alone brand.

    I know what you mean though, there's been a lot of shenanigans this past year. But still, way better than sitting in an office making money for someone else, right?..
    yes on both counts mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    Learning to say NO - to say NO early - and to say NO often when hearing a sales pitch from a small outfit is often a very sound policy. We just don't touch early cycle programs. If they succeed and grow a good reputation then we are happy to join up later and promote a quality product.
    Agree 100% with this, we learned the hard way like most of us I guess and have taken the account closures on the chin over time. Trimmed down to about a dozen bookies that we actively promote nowadays and simply don't get involved with the new/small firms - sure there may be some easy FTDs to grab, however the ongoing retention and revenue is simply nothing like the established programs when operating on rev share.

    One thing I've noticed though in the past few months is a serious deterioration in communication and general quality from account managers, and not just from one bookmaker but many. Perhaps the affiliate departments are being squeezed in terms of headcount/budget due to lower margins or perhaps I've just pissed them all off I don't know, however it's definitely harder to get anything done/a straight answer.

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    yes , this gaming affiliate industry is now crap - i am still living off what i earned about 7 or 8 years ago.

    trouble is,

    the search engines don't want us,and the betting sites are making it clear,bit by bit that they don't want us either.

    but,dammit,you can see their reasoning - the search engines want to get people straight to the gaming site,and so do the gaming sites,without affiliates butting in between.

    we are now seen as an obstacle that at the same time,costs the betting sites money.

    i am still ticking over,but would not like to think i need to put a load of work into this industry as i just don't think it ends here - its going to get worse over coming months.

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    This industry is containing some ****, but it's not turning into ****. The thing is also many affiliates do choose to work with rogue, dodgy and hacker paying programs. I think people should be a little more critical who they will be promoting.

    For example: if someone you don't know rings the door and ask you for a loan of $ 5.000, nobody will give it, but a lot of affiliates do send traffic to programs they don't know too well and later complain they don't pay, pay too late or don't respond mails.

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    It's all about Bet365 for me. Some of the others are all there when you have great traffic and then all go missing or shaft you if times get harder.

    I think things are getting harder anyway as an affiliate. It's become a lot easier for anyone to make their own website, even easier than that to set up a FB or Twitter account. This has led to a lot more saturation and competition in certain spaces of the market. We also live in hard times jobs-wise so more and more people are being forced to get creative and start their own businesses.

    All these things have made the business a lot harder than even 2 years ago. Plus the sad rise of negative SEO that I'm noticing this year.

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    investing in start ups is always a risk, wtf come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slotplayer View Post
    investing in start ups is always a risk, wtf come on.
    Yep. It's like loaning some money to random people you've found on the street. Sometimes you'll get it back, sometimes not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slotplayer View Post
    investing in start ups is always a risk, wtf come on.
    i havent invested in start ups

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    Over the last few months, I've removed 90+ casino brands from my main sites, which resulted in more traffic going to the better converting partners and more sales for me. Choosing who to work with and who to avoid is a huge part of the battle to succeed in this business.

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    OP might be onto something.

    How many brands in sports betting are really reliable these days? Bet365, ok, who else?

    Pinny. BAH. I'd struggle to name any more, they're either outright predatory, unreliable because they're too new, too small to be counted on, don't respect affiliates, don't care for non-UK affiliates, or they try to do honest business like Peter & WBX did and therefore go south.

    If anyone can add more to my list of 3 truly reliable aff programs in sports betting, regardless of the continent, I'd appreciate it.

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    The industry certainly is changing. I am cutting down to a handful of sponsors due to predatory T&c's, and concentrating on rebuilding my domains and quality of content. Its not the industry turning bad, its bean counters looking for higher returns from a smaller slice of the market. We [the affiliate] are collateral damage. This is a tough year for a lot of affiliates, and I am certainly one of them. Chin up Anthony Think forward and have a positive attitude.

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