My Story with Big Daddy's Casino and Poker Room

[GFPC]

Over time and with many discussions with various AM's, private members, and players I have decided to share with the affiliate community about what has happened to me in my dealings with Big Daddy's Casino and Poker. I regret having to post this but feel its something that needs to be done to protect any other potential victims here. Of course many of you may have read something similar which has happened several months ago with a previous Private GPWA member, this is more or less another reason for everyone to be very careful if they chose to promote this program and do business with them. I exhausted all avenues to work this out with Big Daddy's till the very last chance, and after almost 2 months I finally realized I made a mistake to trust them in the first place, when the writing was on the a wall. Excuses after excuses, avoidance, deception and lies were all I got and I finally had enough!!!

This was my press release written today: All I can say is be careful if you choose to deal with Big Daddy's Casino now or in the Future. I am open to discuss this freely at anytime should anyone want to discuss further, and that also includes Big Daddy's Staff.

Big Daddy's Casino and Poker Blacklisted and Rouged by GFPC




Several months ago GFPC was approached by Big Daddy's Casino and Poker Room to become an affiliate for their site at http://www.bigdaddyscasino.com. We spoke at great length about possibilities and eventually agreed on a relationship. At this time I myself was a member of another forum where the community was interested in playing some freerolls on an ongoing basis.


Over the course of a few weeks and many troubles with the software and trying to set things up, we finally managed to get some freerolls for both our site here at GFPC and also the other forum I am a member of. I was very glad to finally get something going for all our members and the Community as well and was appreciative of Big Daddy’s Casino's for allowing some games.


We immediately had several troublesome issues, and upon doing some research noticed some very negative things about Big Daddy’s of which were posted on CasinoMeister and the Forums over at GPWA. Both these sites are reputable businesses in the online gaming industry and truly bring a wealth of information to the industry and help many affiliates and players decide whether to play or do business with online gaming sites.


Rather than go into detail on some of the issues, I will post some links to some troubling findings which we found early on in our business relationship with Big Daddy's Casino and Poker Room. Please take the time to view them.



From CasinoMesiter:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ys-casino.html

From GPWA
https://www.gpwa.org/forum/word-caut...tml#post519616

From APCW - Association of Players, Casinos, and Webmasters Members Area
http://www.apcwinteractive.org/forum...imp-your-poker

From Dr Check Raise Forum
http://www.drcheckraise.com/phorum/list.php?77#forum

With these posts in mind I proceeded cautiously and was concerned as we try and only deal with trusted ethical online gaming businesses. We are a member of GPWA and trust many of the private members there, of which a couple recommended Big Daddy's to our site. I expressed these concerns to the Big Daddy’s management and was assured these issues have been solved and things would run smoothly. We decided to trust them and felt we could develop a good relationship together over the course of time.


As time continued we noticed severe software issues, where players were not getting coupons honored to them for upcoming games they registered for. Out of 298 players who had registered for one event, approximately only 48 players got into play one event. The event in question was cancelled and reopened 2 hours before the scheduled game time. However we made the best of it and finished the game.


During this time I was in contact with the owner of Big Daddy's who indicated he was having several issues with IGS the group that supplies their software called "The Poker Community. I have to say it was one of the worst software’s we ever came across in our history of online gaming. None the less we were told by Big Daddy's they were trying to remove themselves from IGS and move to another Poker Platform. Simply put, Big Daddy's was losing money from IGS and they were not getting what they paid for. Support was next to nothing. Players were having many issues registering for games. In fact, there were also some cash out issues along the way with some players which I think were eventually solved.


With Big Daddy's assurances that they had nothing to do with these issues, and were trying their best to remove themselves from IGS, I was told to just stop sending players, and the owner himself said he was going to inform his own staff to stop all registrations out of fear players may not get paid. He assured me that if this happened he would make sure all affiliates and players were paid by him directly. I felt he was genuine at the time.



With about 8 weeks to go for a major affiliate conference called Casino Affiliate Convention on March 30-31, I emailed the owner of Big Daddy's Casino and Poker and asked if he would Sponsor me to attend CAC Amsterdam (conference held in Amsterdam). Since he seemed honorable, and told me he was going to be moving to another Poker Platform and everything would be worked out, I felt we could work well together. In return for the Sponsorship I agreed I would advertise Big Daddy's on our existing site and all our new sites. We had already registered over 300 players to Big Daddy’s in a short time and thought when they did the switch to the new platform we could start getting the players to continue playing and run new promotions and promote them on all our new sites and bring in 100s of more players.



Because there was little time left, I had asked if he could approve of this in a timely fashion. Well I was told he was in meetings all week with lawyers and poker platforms and investors and would have an answer for me shortly. After several emails by me to get a "Yes" or "No" answer and various excuses as to why my emails were not answered I received a few remarks indicating it would be great to have me on the team at Big Daddy’s and there was a possibility to have me come on as an Affiliate Manager. After another week or two I finally got an email giving me the approval that Yes I would be Sponsored and the owner of Big Daddy's said his investors approved the Sponsorship and wanted my banking details to do the wire.


I had already given him my Pay Pal and Money Bookers information, but apparently due to South African Issues these methods were not suitable and he needed my bank information to wire transfer me the money right away. The trip was now in less than 3 weeks times. So I agreed and sent him all my personal banking information and he said the wire could be sent from A USA bank in a few days time. With this in mind I set up various meetings, organized flight details, contacted my programmers in Amsterdam to set various things up we would need to do to get started on our Advertising Campaign with Big Daddy’s. It was told to me, there would be a meeting April 1st for all Big Daddy's staff along with his investors and he wanted to meet with me face to face on that day to discuss our relationship further. I agreed of course and was ready to go.


After many emails and excuses I finally felt things were coming together and was just relieved I would be finally going and getting started. However after several days no wire transfer came. I checked my bank each day and everyday and nothing arrived. When I emailed the owner of Big Daddy’s I was assured the money was in fact sent and he verified it was sent. Well I continually checked and checked and nothing. Then the owner basically disappeared for a week with no replies to more emails I sent. I needed this to be done as I had meetings set up, plans were drawn up and business relationships within my own circles created with some people in Amsterdam itself. The owner basically said he was in meetings all week, and at one point had internet connection issues. I was used to these various excuses and issues and now felt I was being led on. I expressed this, and was assured for sure the money was sent again and he was going to meet with the person who sent the transfer in a day or two. Well of course that turned into another week. The meeting was canceled and put off.


At this point I was asked by him to actually go ahead and purchase ticket myself and he would reimburse me after again he assured me it was coming. By this time I felt I was being lied to and after so many excuses about how the money was on its way I just felt I was being conned and scammed. I suggested he send the wire himself and if the investors wire came in I would forward it back to him. No reply to that and more waiting for his reply about the meeting with the person responsible for the wire.


Then finally I get this email:


"It seems like I have finally got to the bottom of the wire mystery.

After a lot of probing it has turned out to be a case of some one doing the
wrong thing for the right reasons. The secretary responsible for sending
the wire knew of the urgency to get it to you. So instead of sending it via
the banks which she knew would take at least a week she gave the money to a
friend of hers' son who was flying out to the states. This guy had $3k in
cash which he was supposed to deposit when he reached the states. This
would have meant that in 3 days you would have had the money.

It is apparent that he has not done this and we are trying to get hold of
him as the secretary has for some time now. I can only assume the worst and
think that this guy has blown the cash.

So this is the situation - I would have gladly wired you $3k of my own
personal money had you used your credit card to book flights etc, but that
window of opportunity has now passed.

We will not be attending any conferences until we have a launch date signed
and sealed with the new platform which should be clear by mid April.

The reason for agreeing to the sponsorship was so that we could meet face to
face and discuss opportunities and synergies between us to find a mutually
beneficial way forward. It is pointless attending any conference where only
one of us is there - there will be absolutely no benefit for me in that.

I appreciate the fact that you want to sort this out between us - I think
that is imperative if we are to have a trusting relationship going forward,
but you have already involved I don't know how many people - so if you are
serious about the two of us sorting this out, then lets keep all
communication between us, as I have done.

Now the way forward. - The idiot that ran away with our money is not your
problem - that is mine and some how I will get that cash back, even if the
secretary has to re-imburse the company (despite the fact that she may lose
her job over this). I will still honour a $3k sponsorship for you, but that
can only happen at a conference that I will be attending and when we have a
platform that we can market - otherwise it is totally pointless.

On another note Steve what you have to realise is that you are one aspect of
a thousand that I am dealing with right now. This may be the Alpha and
Omega for you, and judging by your incessant communication it is, for me,
although important that we solidify and define our relationship, it is
impossible for you to be my only focus and you have to understand that. I
also look for pro-active people that are self sufficient, not those that
seem to be inflexible and make their problems everyone else's in order to
get their way.

That said, I will contribute $3k as I have promised but only (as I state
above) when we can both hook up and when we have a platform that we can
market. There are many (too many) conferences throughout the year and in a
few months we will be up and running and there will be a conference where we
can get together and sort out a positive way forward where we can both
benefit.

I do apologise for this total fiasco but in the end I do believe that
everything works out for the best and this will too.

Kind regards"





If in fact this was true, it’s such an invasion of my privacy. My whole banking information was given out by an apparent investor group working with management of Big Daddy’s Casino and Poker. I do not take too kindly to my personal data being shared with random people. I can only say anyone who decides at a latter date to work with such an unethical group please be very careful with your data. Look what happened to me. I also wish to know who the investor group is and the person who was responsible for giving out my data like this.


If on the other hand this was not true, which I am inclined to think, it only shows what stories this individual will come up with to dishonor his business deals he makes with his affiliates and business partners. For more than 25 days I waited for a wire that was promised and sent on various occasions. Then when the CAC conference is over and there is no way to go I get this form of reasoning.


I did suggest we work this out and as an alternative based on his own words he would have refunded me for CAC and still agreed for a future event, that I would be able to go to ACC(Amsterdam Casino Convention – end of April) instead, but of course this was denied as he claims we need to meet face to face. But clearly not when he said I would be re imbursed for CAC if I had paid for it. That would not have been face to face.


To agree and make business deals between us all in this industry we need trust. I had made a mistake and trusted Big Daddy’s would honor their word and follow up either by honoring their first deal or accepting my alternative. In the end I was just led on some more and promised the same thing for a future date, of which I felt was just another deception and dishonest truth.


For this reason I feel I had no choice but to stop all activity with Big Daddy’s Casino and Poker and informed all my players and partners. It’s a shame it has come to this, and I genuinely regret having to post this, but I feel the affiliate community and players need to know what they may be up against if they decide to do business with Big Daddy’s in the future.


As it stands, as an affiliate I have not been paid. I do know based on their website it claims payments are sent out by the 10th of the month by cheque. In my own stats is shows not paid. Further more I want to know the group who infringed upon my privacy rights and gave out my banking information’s to a third party with out my consent.


I am certainly aware of the issues Big Daddy's Casino has had with IGS and the unethical treatment they have had face of which they have informed me time and time again, and that they are looking for another Poker Platform to do business. However this does not take away from the fact, Big Daddy’s has dishonored their own deal with me, and further more I am also concerned for the affiliates and players who have not been paid and cannot cash out their funds. As I understand, even Big Daddy’s management may be locked out of their own system.


I lost two months of my time and many hours working on Big Daddy’s trying to deal with their avoidance techniques, lies, deception and basically unethical business practices and I do not wish this on any future affiliates here in the future. This is not the first time something like this has happened with a GPWA member and sure it’s not the last.

I hope all affiliates seriously consider the patterns we see here, with deception and lies. Make your own mind up and be careful. I can no longer trust them and have listed Big Daddy’s as unethical and rogue on my own site.

[Chips]

So sorry to see this has happened to you. It is a shame to see a potentially successful business continue to treat people in this way. To many lies and dodges. I feel for you Steve. Hopefully the bleeding of people will cease. I can't understand why that site continues to have "issues" with banking. There are plenty of So. African programs with zero issues. I was under the impression that it was all sorted back in the fall.

Some really good people are getting creamed and it goes on and on... at least you only lost time and your potential meet ups, although that is bad enough at least you did not buy the travel only to not get reimbursed.

[GFPC]

So sorry to see this has happened to you. It is a shame to see a potentially successful business continue to treat people in this way. To many lies and dodges. I feel for you Steve. Hopefully the bleeding of people will cease. I can't understand why that site continues to have "issues" with banking. There are plenty of So. African programs with zero issues. I was under the impression that it was all sorted back in the fall.

Some really good people are getting creamed and it goes on and on... at least you only lost time and your potential meet ups, although that is bad enough at least you did not buy the travel only to not get reimbursed.

Thanks Chips,

I saw what happened to you in the fall, and as soon as he suggested I pay for the trip and he would of re imburse me I knew he was not being honest.

He could of just sent it and had over 25 days to do so, but instead put all responsibility on his so called investors.

I even suggested mediation and asked a well respected industry specialist to be a middle man in our negotiation of which he declined to even comment.

Whenever he is confronted the blame or responsibility is shifted to someone else, and that is after a long avoidance.

I actually lost allot more than just time, and it had hurt me financially. Luckily I got smart and didn't continue to believe the lies and deception that obvious will continue or appears to continue.

Its always about lawyers, board meetings, cant divulge more, they did it, they didn't do it and the list goes on and on.

I did a tremendous amount of work preparing for when the migrated to the Cake Network, reviews, website stuff, ready to promote them heavy.

This apparent meeting April 1st affected others as well, who were also in my shoes, and I am not the only one. He avoided others as well.

If he was honorable and truthful the wire would of came through in days, and the lies about the money being scammed would not have surfaced.

I cannot imagine how an investor group of which I will keep private right now could allow a secretary to give 3K to a friends son. Its absurd if it is true.

I will continually be on this as my privacy rights have been violated and all my personal data distributed to some random person.

How is this safe?

When i talked to some South African Affiliates they could not believe this apparent investor group would allow such things to happen.

Steve

[pompeyrayuk]

Its all well and good making these posts but by editing them both makes me think how creditable are they?

[GFPC]

Its all well and good making these posts but by editing them both makes me think how creditable are they?

Excuse me RAY?

I edit them because of spelling errors? And also i added a few words in title.

Is this an issue for you?

Are you suggesting i am not credible?

Ray we had long talks on MSN about this. I will be happy to discuss anything you feel you need information on.

Tell me your concerns mate but do not attack my credibility.

Steve

[raphnix]

Honestly, I really don't know or visited Big Daddy's Casino yet. That could be a relief since I'm seeking more casinos to deal with and this info would be useful to avoid such scammers.

[pompeyrayuk]

If thats all you have done then fair enough.
However dont recall once reffering to you being creditable or not.

I just want to ask one thing. You would not buy the air tickets on your card in case you never got reimbursed yes? Yet you expected the $3000 to be sent to you without any guarantee you would use it for what it was intended yes? Not for one moment am I saying you wouldnt so please dont twist it that way.

Also why would you work on reviews etc when the new network hadnt been confirmed?

[GFPC]

If thats all you have done then fair enough.
However dont recall once reffering to you being creditable or not.

I just want to ask one thing. You would not buy the air tickets on your card in case you never got reimbursed yes? Yet you expected the $3000 to be sent to you without any guarantee you would use it for what it was intended yes? Not for one moment am I saying you wouldnt so please dont twist it that way.

Also why would you work on reviews etc when the new network hadnt been confirmed?

Based on your post your questioning the credibility of my posts based on me modifying them. To suggest that i think was a bit uncalled for. If your questioning the credibility of my post then its safe to assume your questioning me and my honesty.

I understand you are Craig's business partner and also affiliate thus have a vested interest in all matters pertaining to Big Daddys Casino and Poker so in some ways I can understand why you would post that.

Ray during our MSN talks we spoke at length about the issues I was having with Craig and his avoidance of me.

We had agreed we wouldn't talk about it to one another as i recall. In fact the last thing I remember was you saying something along the lines of lets change the subject.

But since you have brought up some questions, and questioned the credibility of my posts I will try and answer them for you mate.

Ray, Craig on several ocassions sad the money was sent. I have all the emails to back this up. I have copies if you want them. He confirmed with me it was sent. It never came Ray. So after a long wait I was concerned. I had suspicion i was being lied to. Plus the fact I had read Chips post on here and felt there was potential Craig was lying to me.

https://www.gpwa.org/forum/word-caut...tml#post519616

When he emailed me claiming the money was given to a third party ( son of a secrataries friend) I was very concerned for my safety and privacy. I honestly suggest you ask your business partner about that.

Craig gave me his word, and didn't follow through. Whether or not those were all lies by him we wont know unless he replies. But if it is true its a severe privacy violation against me.

I do not think affiliates here or players alike should take this lightly.

Now to be more direct, the reason I would not purchase the ticket, is because internally i had doubts about Craigs honesty. And i was being avoided on several ocassions... given deceptive excuses.

We spoke about this as well Ray and even you had concerns.

Now to be even forth right i had even asked a well respected gaming industry leader to be a moderator over this issue.

I had every intention of going to CAC Amsterdam Ray. Even you, yourself were suppose to go and we discussed this at length. We were to all meet April 1st. Why Craig did not tell you as his business partner i do not know. I am sorry for that..

I am 100% open about this and have ll the documentation should you need it to place here publicly.

I sent Craig flight details, i have several people i could prove i was going and had plans to go Ray.

I suggest asking Craig and questioning his credibility may be more appropriate at his time.

Now as to your second question Ray! Why would I write reviews for Big Daddys?? Well Ray why not? I was being proactive here.

I sent one to Craig to give him an example of what we were doing. I had my programmer/html edit guy make them up. I had purchased reviews from a fellow GPWA member who i was also working with on content for our new sites. I also had our my programmer do one up. To give Craig an example.

He saw it, and i even expressed to him as i recall the the graphics would have to change. Depending on network. He said that was not such a big deal a small adjustment. So if you need i can supply that as well to you.

I knew there was talk about Merge, Cake migrations and such. The reviews were based on his current site Ray. When the migration happened the reviews would of been edited. I wanted Craig to see the work we were putting into things for him.

I wanted to be prepared for everything and after Craig indicated it looked like the migration was going to happen on the Cake Network these reviews were easy to modify....

Does this answer your questions mate? I hope so. Everything I did and all the work i did was to show Craig I was serious. I had brought in over 300 players to his site with that fiasco software issues, then the cash out issues and complaints .. it was so bad...

We had talked about that as well remember?

So i am very sad for all of us Ray, i know you also had plans to go to CAC and were just as affected as I was by Craig's ways!!

Your my friend Ray and we spoke about this, as well so i know this may be hard on your business i am sorry for that...

But I do not think Craig is an honest person, or was ever serious from the start. His actions showed this to me. Where as i was completely always trying to show him how much work we were trying to do for him.

He agreed on a deal and he renagged on this deal and was dishonorable...

In the end it hurt me financially and also my relationships with my business partners, programmers and several people i had planned to meet at CAC.

I hope this answers your questions and gives you a bit more insight mate. I have allot of respect for you I am sorry things are tough.. but i suggest really looking into Craig's credibility, not mine!

Steve.

[TowerAdrian]

Sorry to hear all that man. It has been said before and I will say it again now "This industry runs on trust". It is always sad to see when affiliates get burned because they trusted the wrong people. Good to see you did a lot of background checking on the Casino, just too bad it was a little too late.
If you are ever looking to add a reputable Casino and affiliate program, just drop me a PM.

[GFPC]

Sorry to hear all that man. It has been said before and I will say it again now "This industry runs on trust". It is always sad to see when affiliates get burned because they trusted the wrong people. Good to see you did a lot of background checking on the Casino, just too bad it was a little too late.
If you are ever looking to add a reputable Casino and affiliate program, just drop me a PM.

Thanks so much for your post Adrian. You are certainly correct in saying this industry runs on trust. This is a huge thing for me.

I did research yes, and still doing it. The fact still remains, player accounts are on hold for cash outs. Affiliates have not been paid. Rumors of changing networks (diff all the time), promises of deals gone bad, possible privacy and security violations, you name it!!!

Its just really uncalled for but as I continue to get more information this thread will be updated.

Cheers

Steve

[pompeyrayuk]

As will you posting the same story over the net. Even at sites that do not promote BigDaddys or PYP.

[GFPC]

Hey everyone,

I just wanted to post a couple of things for all players and affiliates to view. There are numerous reports all over the internet about this and its getting bigger everyday.

Players are continually not getting paid and their money is being held and they cannot cash out. Players of course are able to deposit at anytime no problem.

Big Daddy's has not made any attempt to be responsible and post any information on their own website to protect players in this regard. Its shameful.

They are allowing players to continue making deposits but will not post warnings of cash out issues.

Even their hired support staff who has given me permission to post public there replies via email have indicated their position.

Here are a few replies from Global Support group.

Regarding Cash Outs for Players.

"We are Global Support Site, hired as 3rd-party support for
BigDaddysCasino.com.

Currently no withdrawals are going through. We are waiting for word from
BigDaddysCasino.com management as to how player accounts will be dealt with after they settle their dispute with the software developpers."

Regarding Affiliate payments and reasons for cashout not processed.

"I have no idea who takes care of affiliate payments. I know it's not customer support. We don't even provide SUPPORT for affiliate accounts.

As for player payments, we've been instructed to inform customers that
payments are on hold until things have settled with site ownership and
software providers, which has unfortunately been what we've been saying since February."

Asked why Big Daddy's Website has not updated this to players who visit their website and make deposits.

"You raise a very valid point, one I've brought up with my management in the past. Updating the website to properly reflect this would certainly be the proper thing to do.

As for your question on the operator being locked out of his control panel, I
wouldn't know the answer."

Asked who has informed them to stop or hold player payments.

"I understand your frustration and we are here to answer any questions we are able to.

Nobody has instructed us to stop player payments. They've instructed us to
INFORM PLAYERS that payments are on hold. Whoever is ultimately responsible for payments (site operator, software developers), we are told, will be resuming them once a settlement has been reached.

You can try http://www.igamingsoftware.com/ to get answers to your IGS-related questions."

Asked Permission to post his remarks and replies:

"Sorry for the delayed response, I was actually in transit from the office.
You are more than welcome to quote our emails in your forum postings. I hope that ultimately it can be of help to you and others.

Regards,

Stephane
Customer Support"

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We really do not know who is controlling the systems there. There seems to be no control or a proper flow of communications, and players have had to wait 2 months now and cant cash out. Its all over the net. The frustration level is huge. Players are being treated unfairly.

I am urging all Affiliates and Webmaster who are currently actively promoting Big Daddy's right now to please be responsible and ethical and stop. Our Duty is to our players and to protect them.

Until the issue is settled we have no idea whats going on. It has been 2 months of us being told various stories. We have to stop sending players.

New players cant be encouraged to continue to deposit to Big Daddy's Casino and Poker Room. Please update your sites!!!

Please Webmasters stop promoting Big Daddy's - at least until the scandal
as settled down, and we know if all players have been paid. We must do this if we are to call ourselves responsible. We need to also inform all our current player bases.

Players of Big Daddy's from all over the net - POST YOUR ISSUES HERE -
If you are owed money we must here about it to get it resolved. We affilaites have also not been paid as well, so we know the frustration you must feel. We will do or at least I will do everything I can as a Webmaster to make sure players get paid.

Forums Now that have active people complaining about non payment

http://www.apcwinteractive.org/forum...imp-your-poker

http://www.drcheckraise.com/phorum/r...?77,9667#forum


Please read them for more information:

AS i get more information I will post here. I am currently seeking permission to post more from other sources of information.

Steve

[GFPC]

As will you posting the same story over the net. Even at sites that do not promote BigDaddys or PYP.

Was that a question mate?

Steve

[pompeyrayuk]

Active members? What a crock of shite. DEALTAKER joined APCW and 1st post they made was about BD/PYP. You joined APCW yesterday and joined DrCheckraiser yesterday and the 1st posts you make are about this issue.

At DrCheckraiser there are 3 or 4 other members constantly posting about BigDaddys.

Go have a look at the support at Pimp-Your-Poker by the true members if you want a better picture.

Stooping real low now just because you never got your charity as you expected.

[GFPC]

Oh my Ray,

As a friend to you I must first and foremost say I am terribly disappointed in your attack on me here and foul tone.

I have bee nothing but informative to you, shared with you all information after you Pmed me saying you were about to give up.

I respect you, and understand your under severe pressure mate. I have only spoken good about you to everyone.

I have never spoke bad about you and posted anything to reflect negatively on you and yet you are attacking me.

I want our communities to be safe from rogue businesses mate. I know you are stuck with Big Daddy's..

I read your post at APCW where even Toby made a huge comment that i agree with 100%.

"I also know that this is no direct fault of Pomp's, so please can I ask for you to ease off him a bit as he is not his fault and he is not getting the backing from BD as he should."

Please view my remarks:

"There is no doubt Pomp is getting the shaft and i feel for him dearly. But we as an affiliate community cant allow this to continue. We have to stand up and say enough is enough for our players. I resspect POMP and we talked alot in the past via msn..

I do feel pomp is getting the shaft in every direction."

I am with you mate I am your friend. I am sad that you have decided to attack me now. I saw it coming but never thought you would go this route.

I only wish this best for you Ray I do really. I care about you and what happens.. even if you do not believe it.

Steve

Active members? What a crock of shite. DEALTAKER joined APCW and 1st post they made was about BD/PYP. You joined APCW yesterday and joined DrCheckraiser yesterday and the 1st posts you make are about this issue.

At DrCheckraiser there are 3 or 4 other members constantly posting about BigDaddys.

Go have a look at the support at Pimp-Your-Poker by the true members if you want a better picture.

Stooping real low now just because you never got your charity as you expected.

[pompeyrayuk]

Its not an attack on you. I am just pointing out some truths.

You said active members were posting at other forums. Yet it is blatantly obvious that they are not active members at all.

Players are continually not getting paid

is also not true. Many many players have been paid a lot of money.

Players of course are able to deposit at anytime no problem.

As click cashier is a 3rd party cashier run by IGS how can BigDaddys be doing as you say. Do you not think for one minute that the 3rd party support again run by IGS havent been given a script to read should these issues arise?

Chips you know the score here sir. Am I correct with what I am saying??

[pompeyrayuk]

I also urge people to check out the IGS website.

Here is a link to their Permissions & Trademarks page
their Product Licence Agreements page their News page

[GFPC]

Ray i have tried as much as possible to keep you out of the posts out of respect, and on all accounts you seem to attack my credibility. But again I can understand the motivation its human nature based on what your dealing with.

Players may have in the past been able to cash out, but not now. From what support says players withdraws are on hold. This is not good? Agreed?

Do you not agree all affililiates should stop promoting Big Daddy's?

Lets forget about who is control of players monies... If you were an outsider looking in from outside.

Would you now actively send players to Big Daddy's with confidence?

Do you think all affialites should stop sending players to Big Daddy's?

At the very least Ray do you not think the Big Daddy's Website should have information on this to protect the general public??

Our goal Ray i hope you agree is to protect players. I do know you have business ties to Big Daddy's but as an ethical webmaster I think its time to really look at things for what they are.

Just as an aside Ray I am confused. You have a user on PYP called Big Daddy. Under his name it shows some credentials.

"Pimp - Your - Poker - Owner"

I was under the impression you own that not Big Daddy's.?

My only goal here Ray is to protect players and affilaites. That also includes you mate. We all know you have treated poorly and are taken the shaft.

I will be here to support you anytime now and later.

Steve

[Chips]

As click cashier is a 3rd party cashier run by IGS how can BigDaddys be doing as you say. Do you not think for one minute that the 3rd party support again run by IGS havent been given a script to read should these issues arise?

Chips you know the score here sir. Am I correct with what I am saying??

I really don't want involved in this mess, I had an axe to grind over lack of payment in the Fall 08 and it was settled. I received my payment albeit several months late. None the less, I am even with Craig. He has his thing, and I have mine.

I will say however, that click cashier to the best of my knowledge is the payment processor for IGS/Futurebet/_____ <-- insert next scam name. Back in the early summer of 2008, payments were being processed. If memory serves, in late August, there became an issue on US players being paid. I personally called Vancouver to discuss the issue. I was told it was not the fault of IGS, but it was ewalletXpress's issue. However... at the very same time I was personally csshing out at "True" Merge gaming sites with my EWX. So it was another in a long string of lies from IGS. They (IGS) told me they were working on a solution and it should not be long before it was sorted. I actually suggested and provided contact info for Pic-Club as an option (and they now or did have it). Curious as to if Pic_Club members can cash out as it is handled differnent, (I think).

So, I guess what I am saying is, yes, it is a processor issue, but at the same time I have to agree with Steve and not promote nor condone players making deposits to yet another online poker site that has become a "deposit Only" site.

I recall Craig telling me last year (June?) that he was moving BD to be a true Merge site, now nearly a year later, he is still on IGS. I don't know nor do I care what the situation is/was that caused this to happen. I do know that I personally gave him the graphics pack for the card room last year and to my knowledge it was moving forward. He (Craig) also told me he was going to private processing and getting shed of click cashier. Again, don't know why it did not happen. If the brand was truly interested in the players, this would have been done eons ago. This whole mess would never have been an issue if he would have moved on as planned. Since he hesitated, he is now screwed by the wonderful world of IGS/Futurebet, just like the plethera of other licensees before him. No one to blame but himself.

I am sure that the support team has a script as they no doubt get tons of the same questions every day, they prob. just dug up an old Futurebet script to use. May 2007 was not that long ago and the same thing was going on. I will say though, at least this go round they are not saying "we will have your transaction processsed soon".

The next thing out of IGS will no doubt be posted by Buzzy that someone "ran off" with millions of cash from Vancouver and can not be found... I seam to recall that excuse. Anyone up for bets on that one?

The whole organization (term used loosely) is rougue. The licensees got screwed again, and Ron Katz laughs all the way to the bank. Craig had the chance to get out last year, now he is on the outside looking in to what could have been.

[GFPC]

I really don't want involved in this mess, I had an axe to grind over lack of payment in the Fall 08 and it was settled. I received my payment albeit several months late. None the less, I am even with Craig. He has his thing, and I have mine.

I don't blame you mate. I read your fiasco and i should of listened. Instead i went ahead and trust him to follow up on his promises and deal he agreed on and in the end got burned.

So, I guess what I am saying is, yes, it is a processor issue, but at the same time I have to agree with Steve and not promote nor condone players making deposits to yet another online poker site that has become a "deposit Only" site.

That makes allot of sense. I do understand there are problems with click cashier but at the same time players right now till this day are only allowed to deposit and no cashouts can be done. For this reason alone I am suggesting all affilaites remove Big Daddy's from their sites or at the very least share with players the risks... It is the only ethical thing to do. We must protect our players right now at all costs.

I recall Craig telling me last year (June?) that he was moving BD to be a true Merge site, now nearly a year later, he is still on IGS. I don't know nor do I care what the situation is/was that caused this to happen. I do know that I personally gave him the graphics pack for the card room last year and to my knowledge it was moving forward. He (Craig) also told me he was going to private processing and getting shed of click cashier. Again, don't know why it did not happen. If the brand was truly interested in the players, this would have been done eons ago. This whole mess would never have been an issue if he would have moved on as planned. Since he hesitated, he is now screwed by the wonderful world of IGS/Futurebet, just like the plethera of other licensees before him. No one to blame but himself.

I was told something similar, about a possible direct Merge relationship. Something along the lines of a true Big daddy look to the softwre rather than the TCP community stuff. Then i was told it looks like they were merging with The Cake Network and its all in lawyers meetings, deals being signed, board meetings.. ect.. No one really knows.. But based on what i heard last it was The Cake Network.

Then of course there is the whole " Investor Group" stories. But yet I am still concerned why my banking details were fraudulently given out to a third party... a real bad violation of my security and privacy.. and Craig would have had to give all my bank details to them, and he said they were wiring those funds on our agreement we had... Then a secretary for this investor group gave $$$ and my details to a freinds son who stole the money.. This is really troublesome.. Still trying to get verifcation from the investor group....

Yet i have asked them for infomation on this and they are silent!!!

Based on historical facts and what has happened, I really cant see how affilaites or players can trust such rougue/unethical type behavour!!

I am hoping players finally get there money after 2 months!!! ANd of course affilaites get paid...

In the meantime I urge Affilaites: Please stop promoting Big Daddy's - it is not safe for your players.


Steve