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    This is the final post I am going to make here or anywhere on this matter.

    Craigs hands are tied as to what he can say re lawyers. IGS have basically hijacked BigDaddys from Craig. He has no access to the poker site hosted on their servers and has no admin access to the affiliate system or the cashier nor has done since 11th March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    This is the final post I am going to make here or anywhere on this matter.

    Craigs hands are tied as to what he can say re lawyers. IGS have basically hijacked BigDaddys from Craig. He has no access to the poker site hosted on their servers and has no admin access to the affiliate system or the cashier nor has done since 11th March.
    Sorry to see its your last post Ray. I hope you will be able to share openly again at a latter date.

    I understand you may not want to answer my questions. They may be hard for you to answer!

    Wishing the best for you in all this mess!

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    In the meantime I urge Affilaites: Please stop promoting Big Daddy's - it is not safe for your players.
    I think there is a more general statement that can be made: Do not promote any gaming site that uses IGS software. My belief is that your money is not safe (neither player money nor affiliate money) with any site based on that software. Internally, we are having talks that a project to which we should devote some energy is very publicly exposing that IGS sites in general are a big issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    I think there is a more general statement that can be made: Do not promote any gaming site that uses IGS software. My belief is that your money is not safe (neither player money nor affiliate money) with any site based on that software. Internally, we are having talks that a project to which we should devote some energy is very publicly exposing that IOGS sites in general are a big issue.

    Michael
    You make a very valid point Michael I agree 100% with you on that. Perhaps a dedicated thread on that whole issue is in order for sure. I would agree with you fully. They do need to be exposed.

    Ad for Big Daddy's even if they did Merge to Cake or Merge fully and self reliant as they have been saying for a while now, I still think affilaites need to be careful.

    I agree we need to stay clear of certain software sites like IGS, but also we need to stay away from Unethical operators, and dishonest ones!!

    Even after a merge to a new network, i would still campaign for affilaites here to stay away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    I think there is a more general statement that can be made: Do not promote any gaming site that uses IGS software. My belief is that your money is not safe (neither player money nor affiliate money) with any site based on that software. Internally, we are having talks that a project to which we should devote some energy is very publicly exposing that IGS sites in general are a big issue.

    Michael
    If anyone wants a list of the sites on IGS, I have a list that you are welcome to copy and publish, I only ask that you quote the source and link back to me. You can get it here: http://pokerplayerus.com/forum/black...acklisted.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chips View Post
    If anyone wants a list of the sites on IGS, I have a list that you are welcome to copy and publish, I only ask that you quote the source and link back to me. You can get it here: http://pokerplayerus.com/forum/black...acklisted.html

    Excellent Chips!!! Well noted and done!!! Nice work on that list!!!

    By helping all webmasters with this we help stop problems before the begin to happen... the responsible thing to do!

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    In my previous posts I have indicated I would update everyone on this issue as i find more things out. So here is an interesting update.

    As it stands from what i can see March 11th was when the Merge was annouced i believe on some forums.. NO Poker Platform was given but it was noted it was in the top 10 and allowed USA players.

    Of course we were told players money was safe, and affiliates would get paid and no one needed to worry.

    Well besides the fact I will repeat i feel my PRIVACY was violated as my personal banking details were given out to a third party via Big Daddy's investors.(His claim). I am still looking for answers on this!!!

    Of particular interest to players and affiliates of Big Daddy's Casino and Poker.

    Some of you may have heard rumors or ideas that Big Daddy's was going to merge with the Cake Poker Network.

    Of course this was not said to be 100% but more or less I was told it looked like a pretty good bet it would be with them. This is what i was told via email.

    Because I was concerned for players and affiliates alike i decided to ask the Cake Poker Network and share with them my concerns last week.

    After their reply to me, i thought about it for a week, ask if they minded i post the information. I did not get a reply. Only told they were seeking advisement with lawyers before answering me.

    Non the less this was not private info, or confidential in anyway. It was a direct answer to my questions after i expressed concern for myself, affiliates, and players..

    I decided its important to post this update:

    They replied on April 21st with this comment:

    Hi Steve,

    Thank you for your sharing your information with us.
    We take the issues you have raised very seriously. At this time we have no plans for Big Daddy to join the Cake Poker Network.
    Should this change in the future we will bear your comments and concerns in mind.

    Regards,

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    ** PLEASE NOTE I HAVE REMOVED THE NAME

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    Another update for players and affiliates

    I wanted to be able to add on some information for players and affiliates who still have not received any forum of compensation in terms of money. Again players cannot cash out and affiliates have not been paid. This is a disgrace!

    I had recently contacted the support staff for Big Daddy's Poker again and asked them why they would allow deposits but not allow cash outs and when would players expect to be able to cash out. I found this to be really bad.

    Here was the reply I got:

    This relates to your previous point about deposits still being possible to make. I've taken further steps and requested that the Cashier be updated not to allow further deposits.
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    Apon further questioning of when players would be paid here is a reply.

    The "When" questions all have the same answer: we don't know yet. I'll keep
    you personally informed when I find out more.

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    I also wanted to update players there are other locations with player
    complaints at a couple of other forums. I have updated the first thread
    in the first post here but will list them here for you.

    Player complaints via :

    APCW - Association of Players, Casinos, and Webmasters Members Area
    http://www.apcwinteractive.org/forum...imp-your-poker

    Dr Check Raise Poker Forum
    http://www.drcheckraise.com/phorum/list.php?77#forum

    In Dr Check Raise they have an annoucement page with current up to date
    news on this matter here below.

    http://www.drcheckraise.com/phorum/read.php?1,10662


    What is most troubling for me i a post that was posted in regards to Big Daddy's
    support staff and their reply to a player which was post on Dr Check Raise which i
    will post here.

    The source of this post is taken directly from Dr Check Raise Poker Forum

    "heres a C&P from BTF
    This is StΓ©phane, the customer support manager here at Global Support Site.
    We provide 3rd-party support for BigDaddysCasino however our contract is to be
    terminated this week.

    We will still keep receiving player inquiries which we will be forwarding
    directly to the site operator to respond to.

    We have phone, livechat, and email for this support office, which you can
    still use while it's posted at the BigDaddysCasino.com website.

    Our support team has no information whatsoever in regards to your withdrawal
    request and poker balance as it is out of our hands. The best we can do is
    forward the inquiries to management.

    You may receive automated responses from this point forward, when contacting
    us directly. I wish you good luck with BigDaddysCasino's management.

    --
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    Stephane
    Customer Support"


    Therefore it now looks like support for Big Daddy's no longer has any information
    whatsoever as to players money and where it is or if it will get paid.

    This is very troubling and a huge concern for affiliates and players of
    Big Daddy's Poker.

    As more updates come along i will post here as an outlet for players and
    affiliates who have been gravely affected by this mess.

    Best

    Steve


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    The cashier and support and the whole package are run by IGS. How many more times.

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    OK well firstly i am one of the banned members over at PYP forum . I am banned for posting my concerns for the players at a diffrent forum . I did this because i did not see the correct answers giving to the players at the PYP forum .

    Now before you read this email , please take in regards that i was under the impression that the PYP forum had financially ruined craig the owner of big daddys . Which might or might not be the case . It more than likeley has hurt him but also the IGS/FUTUREBET site has ruined him.

    I do beleive in craig and hope everything falls into place if the merge to a new platform does go through . For the sake of the players and the affiliates . I myself have over 90 sign-ups and have not been paid .

    In this email between me and craig he says by the end of april the switch should be made to the new site . It is now the last day of april so i would like some news if the switch is finalized or is it still dragging out ?

    Now dont take offence to this ray as i have been banned from pyp for voicing my concerns on another forum . This is just to keep the players and affiliates up to date on what has been said by the owner .

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    RE: Whats the deal?‏
    From: Craig Evans Sent: Tue 4/14/09 10:00 AM To: 'william cochrane'

    Hey William,

    I have been overseas for sometime now negotiating and meeting with new platforms – so I have been unable to get online for most of the time.

    These things take time so for me to post on a weekly basis would be a little impossible, but what I can say is that we are expecting everything to be sorted out before the month of April is out – and then I can make another post – anything posted before that could change and then it will look like I was lying – which is the last thing that I want.

    You must please stop blaming Ray for PYP – it is not his fault at all – pyp was a BD venture and we knew the risks going in. I still believe that it can be one of the great poker sites on the net but not with the platform that we are on and we are almost finalised with signing contracts and moving over.

    As far as players money is concerned – everyone will get their cash – but as things stand now, I don’t even have access to the back office of BD and have not had for almost 2 months now. IGS manage all the money and they are the ones that are delaying everything – IGS / FUTUREBET – so u can imagine.

    Our lawyers are busy slugging it out with each other and until I get the green light to go public from my lawyers I cannot jeopardise our case. If I do then no one will get their money and IGS will pocket everything.

    In the meantime if you really do want to help – then just assure people that things are in motion, their money is safe and if they just show a little patience everything will work out just fine. I have posted this on the forum a while back and personally guaranteed everyones cash – and I stick by that.

    Kind regards

    Craig

    From: william
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    Craig ,

    Where have you been on the pyp site ? I want to trust you @ your word , but you need to make some statements . Tell the truth . Dont delay . I know ray has gotten you into this whole mess and i wouldnt want to be in your shoes . Being in the hole must be very hard on you . If you are in the deals of coming up with a new site here... you need to inform the players . And i will stand behind you and take you for your word. But it wont be at PYP , I advise you dont venture in that journey again . Trust me i have been part of numerous forums for 20 years , have seen ideas and ran a few myself . So i don know alot. I asked raymond if he needed my help on pyp and he never replied . I might have been able to do something for the lad. But he has showed he is not the type and has unfortunateley put you in the debt you are in .

    So again if you are going to merge to a new network let the players know , give updates at least once a week , show that you are not hiding and all the best .

    If a new pokersite isnt in the works , ya really do still need to pay the online players that are begging for there money tooth n nail.

    Please contact me back as i would like to know and help you out .

    Truly ,

    will

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    Wouldnt take offence as you have posted a truthful post as to what you have been told.
    The ban from PYP as you know was for your false allegations against me personally. Which is between myself and you.

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    I must say that Pomps skin is as thin as toilet paper, as he seems to ban anyone who disagrees with him. I was banned after I, C & P a post from Spin32's owner on DrCheck raise to PYP forum. Pomp has screwed every member on Pimp, by never being truthful about the situation as it unfolded, but he did manage to blame everyone connected to the site but himself. And Big Daddy seems to be just as bad, so I guess the players will take it in the shorts while you set back and count our money.

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    For the record neither member was banned by myself but were banned by the forum administrator for breach of forum rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    The cashier and support and the whole package are run by IGS. How many more times.
    Hi Ray,

    Is this a question? You posted something similar on APCW. I will take liberty to cut and paste our dialogue from there as this seems to be a more central location where all players and affiliates can share their concerns as there are just so many. And we need to make sure everyone knows whats happening here with these troubling issues. I hope you will agree mate.

    You said on APCW"

    "How many more times have you got to be told that the 3rd party support is run by IGS and that the owner of BigDaddys has been locked out of the site period. You just wont listen will you."

    Here is my reply:

    "Thank you mate for your post I appreciate hearing your take on this situation. As for your remark, was that a question? I will inform you mate I am listening. We all are mate.

    All the players who have not been able to cash out are listening. They have been listening for over 2 months to the same story.

    We are both professional webmasters mate and our number 1 priority is to our players. Note I say this because i think sometimes we forget these players are what keeps our industry functioning. We can not forget that they are what keeps us in business.

    I agree that we also have a responsibility to our partners, and operators and in your case I do know you have a personal stake in all this in that Big daddy's owner is your business partner. So i do understand how this can be difficult for you.

    However please understand, until players get paid, affiliates get paid and i feel my privacy violations have been dealt with, I will continue asking these questions.

    I hope i have reiterated the importance of these issues and you find them equally important mate.

    Thanks again for your post.

    Steve"

    Further down the post you then said:

    "I do understand but there is absolutely nothing anyone can do until IGS have been taken to court. AS for DEALTAKER wanting to hang me. Well anyone who knows alert pay knows that she had to cancel it we couldnt. Also as I have stated from day1 PYP doesnt didnt nor ever will handle withdrawals at any time whatsoever."

    Of which i replied:

    "Taken to court? Well this is new news. Is this actual fact? I mean before it was all players money was safe and sound and for sure their money was going to merged and transferred over to the new site. All players would also be tagged to the affiliiates they came under. And it was suppose to be End of April. Well many different dates seemed to be have promised.

    I know you guys (yourself and Craig) continue to say its in the lawyer hands, i heard that over and over Ray.. so what now? Can we affiliates and players please have answers? What is this news with court?

    Does this mean no cash outs? Does this mean no affiliate payments? - Finally who owns PYP?

    Steve"



    Your response was:

    "You do like to twist it dont you. All players money is safe and sound and for their money is going to be transferred over to the new site. All players will also be tagged to the affiliiates they came under.
    Common sense says that if it is in the hands of lawyers then court action will probably be the outcome. Only a fool would think different. And this has nothing whatsoever to do with pimp-your-poker as you well know."


    Of which i replied below:

    "Only a fool would think different? - Well my friend I won't go down the insults road. I'm here for the facts.

    When your indicating taken to court that means the company has been served papers. Have they? Court is not a for sure outcome. Reason i asked was you guys are saying things will be done and contracts will be signed sealed and delivered and we were all given dates and the last one was end of April. Its May 1st.

    There is no twists here mate simply questions. Please refrain from insults. I had to deal with that already from you and you apologized. Going there again is not productive. Please!

    I understand your saying PYP - PIMP YOUR POKER has nothing to do with it. But you are Craig's business business partner. Is this true? You told me this!!

    When I go to your site and look at Craig's profile under his name(BigDaddy) it says "PIMP your POKER owner"

    Why would he be listed as owner of PYP. This is important in the facts here as PYP players are also affected by this fiasco. As i understand affiliates are also owed money for promoting PYP. Why are they not getting paid? If PYP is seperate from Big Daddy's there is no reason for PYP to not pay its affiliates or charge them as well.

    Forgive my ignorance Ray but i read your terms of service and also wonder why the laws of South Africa are used when your not in South Africa..Craig is.

    1.2. Governing Law and Disputes. This Agreement is governed by and is to be construed in accordance with the laws of the Republic of South Africa, irrespective of any principles of conflicts of law. You agree that any dispute that cannot be resolved between the parties will be resolved individually, without resort to any form of class action. You further agree that any legal action arising from any dispute will proceed only in the courts located in the Republic of South Africa, and to submit to the personal jurisdiction and venuein such courts for any such action.

    I'm just concerned here mate as we all really do not know whats going on, and it looks as PYP has been dragged into this and i know we had talks in the past.... i know your position but these are still valid concerns as "transparency and conflict of interests" are at stake.

    Best

    Stevbe"

    There really is some other issues here as well, as we start to see more people involved in this issue come out and speak up. For that i thank everyone for sharing their stories and issues.

    I want to welcome everyone here who has spend their time in sharing their thoughts. I know for some of you it was difficult but it needed to be done. As a community we need to stick together and peel off the layers of various stories being told.

    I feel the truth will come out sooner or later and the writing on the wall will surface. So again thank you to everyone.

    Best

    Steve


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    Well you have it all wrong once again ray My 1st banning was for as you say "false" accusations and we talked about that as we were both heated about something we will keep between ourselves .

    The 2nd ban was because i voiced my concern at dr.checkrayz and it seems you didnt like that . I love how you swerve all the bannings onto your buddy AJ and you have nothing to do with it. And trust me i have copies from craig himself saying you and craig know that your moderator or adminstrator has a slanted view on things there at the forum . But the banning there is not what im here for i could care less trust me but thought i would bring it up since i saw it earlier in this thread .

    But now back to the matter at hand , you see in the email from craig this will all be sorted by the end of april , put off from an earlier date once again as the members of pyp were told .

    Now it is MAY 1ST.....APRIL IS GONE . Do you have any news for your members and the affiliates at hand of what is going on with craig and the merge to a new network ? Has he stated anything like he said he would ?

    Thank you for your reply .

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    No the 2nd ban was because once again you caught me on yahoo and werbally abused me. End of discussion.
    Whatever you say as you obviously know best dont you.

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    If BD is locked out of the panel, then he would have no access to player funds. This may be why players can not cash out and affiliates not be paid.

    Now, with this in mind... how is the player's funds safe? With a move to another network, how will the cash be moved from IGS to the new site? If you are locked out, you can not move funds. So, in essence, what I read into it is, Craig and his company will be comping the player accounts after the move and added the funds lost to the affiliate accounts from the company funds.

    Add one more thought... If he is adding funds to the player accounts out of his or the companies funds at the new site, why not pay the players and affiliates direct? If the money is not available to be dispersed due to a lock out, how can it be dispersed at a new network site?

    Has me a touch confused. I know of a poker room that was locked out from the old Dynamic Gaming network and when he moved to Merge, he maxed his credit card(s) by depositing and transfering into player's accounts. Perhaps this is the plan here.

    The "Your money is safe" does not sit well when using the "Locked out" excuse.
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    Has me a touch confused. I know of a poker room that was locked out from the old Dynamic Gaming network and when he moved to Merge, he maxed his credit card(s) by depositing and transfering into player's accounts. Perhaps this is the plan here.
    Know exactly who you mean. I dont have the answers as Steve seems to think I do.
    I guess that is where the lawyers come into it. As Craig is locked out he cant even see what is what to pay at the moment can he. Yet players are still playing their and adding to their bankrolls then moaning they cannot get at it.

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    Makes no sense to keep playing if you know you can't get the cash. Poker players are a fickle lot. Fuss about money being locked and yet play away. Reminds me of a player that cried about not getting a cash out yet he was playing at the site he accused at every private game to be found. Keep generating more rake for the site that is hammering you. DOH!!
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