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    AMCAN,

    I must admit your comments make so much sense to me and are very well written. I have had the opportunity to read previous comments by you and find they are very well thought out. Thanks for sharing mate.

    All your points really ring true to me and I think your analysis is pretty much spot on.

    Specifically you noting Chips "fall posting" shows you understand the nature of this whole scenario. I agree.

    I guess after reading his posts a few months back now, i didn't weight it as much as i should of. For that I must acknowledge my own fault.

    Good post mate, i appreciate it and it has given me more insight!!

    Thank you.

    Steve

    Quote Originally Posted by AmCan View Post
    after reading thru this here i have 2 things to say.

    1. I rarely, if ever, will add a new operator to my sites unless they have a record of satisfied customers for at least 6-12 months. I've only had 3 places i've had to drop over their treatment of players RichWebBastards, Gambling Hackernation (aka Gambling Federation) and whatever places end up being shark. If you want to avoid getting burned, i think you have to wait for a place to build up a record.

    2. "It's not their fault, they're locked out by IGS" - well "they" may be getting screwed by IGS, but they choose IGS as their partner/platform. If MGM put a slot machine, from a new vendor, into their casinos that was flawed and was ripping off their customers it's MGM who exposed their clients to the flaw. Craig (or whoever owns this place) made a bad decision to go with IGS and now his players and affiliates have lost their money.

    The guys who charged their clients commission and sent the money to Bernie Madoff in good faith, failed their clients too. Whether you fail your clients because of something you did intentionally or because you used the wrong vendor, you still failed your customers.

    3. Thanks Chips for stepping up last fall and shedding a light on this early


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    Craig (or whoever owns this place) made a bad decision to go with IGS and now his players and affiliates have lost their money.
    Except this is not a true statement is it.

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    Philivory and Gunsmoke11.

    Just curious since you both have accounts and i believe money on Big Daddy's Poker Room. When you try and cash out, what does it do??

    I think it would be good to know the process, and what happens when it declines.

    Any info on this would be helpful!!

    Crossing my fingers for you guys!!

    Steve


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    Surely as an affiliate who is owed money you have players of your own that you would have already asked for this information.
    After all you have been extensively investigating this for what 2 months +

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    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    Surely as an affiliate who is owed money you have players of your own that you would have already asked for this information.
    After all you have been extensively investigating this for what 2 months +
    Excellent Point Ray,

    I agree and yes i did ask players a while back. However you have made a really good point in that i should be on top of this as much as possible. Based on that i thank you and as we speak I am posting to all my members and also sending out another email blast to them..

    Thanks for that Ray. I am on it right now and will report back when its complete.

    Best

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    Hey Ray,

    Ok mate as of 6:11 AM here my time I have updated all my players on the crises and posted it to my members and my database. Its all done now mate.

    I have urged them to inform me or come here and post.

    Thanks again for making a great point and suggestion!!

    Cheers

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    Sarcasm and being slimy wont get you anywhere.
    If this was as you say for the players and other affiliates benefit you would have done this ages ago. But it isnt is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    Sarcasm and being slimy wont get you anywhere.
    If this was as you say for the players and other affiliates benefit you would have done this ages ago. But it isnt is it.
    I had informed my players previous mate.

    This was another update today I did because I wanted to ensure you knew I was updating them again.

    Lets take Chalkies advice mate. Have a great day!

    Steve


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    Quote Originally Posted by GFPC View Post
    Philivory and Gunsmoke11.

    Just curious since you both have accounts and i believe money on Big Daddy's Poker Room. When you try and cash out, what does it do??

    I think it would be good to know the process, and what happens when it declines.

    Any info on this would be helpful!!

    Crossing my fingers for you guys!!

    Steve
    I have money in the cashier, from there its stuck can't be moved to pic club or the poker account. The money I have in my poker account can be transferred to the cashier or maybe the Casino,I'm not sure about that. Other than that its lost in cyberspace .The $$ I have in the cashier has been there since Feb. and I'm not playing on the site at all, and I won't play and let them get the rake.

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    I am glad to see that you have the sense not to be playing and giving them the rake gunsmoke. Kudos to you.

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    So is there any news on the "merge" to a new network ? Or has it been delayed ... once again ?

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    Gunsmoke I am sorry to hear that. Thanks for the info mate! Good job not playing and just to be safe mate take screen shots of your balances and keep then on file in case!!

    Philivory were all still in the dark sorry - no new information has been supplied to anyone since the last "tid bits" of information.

    At this point I don't think anyone one truly knows whats happening. Sorry mate I knows it difficult as it is for all of us.

    I guess we can only continue to wait with our fingers crossed.

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    An idea for us all

    I was just thinking about this and thought it would be a great idea to have us all get together and discuss a Plan of Action via Skype or MSN.

    I am sure we can create a conference call either text or voice or both so that many of us can all get together in one central location and discuss in a rational responsible way.

    We can brain storm action plans and create tasks so we all have a part in this.

    I am continually working on this and contacting various people ect.. and just thought for all parties concerned that it may be good to get together one day.

    I would have no trouble setting up the conference via skype or msn so we can all discuss openly as a concerned group.

    For now it would be good to get an interest level. Anyone up for this??

    Let me know.

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    Steve to tell ya the truth , i think this is all a wash . No response or updates since the so called merge .

    I mean what do they think were all morons or "fools"? Yes we were fools for beleiving .You got us PIMP and CRAIG thank you very much A-holes

    But with all the "false" promises and due dates of when a merge will be going through ....its really getting pathetic and it makes me sick .

    Not 1 of them will come out and speak the truth ...it reminds me of the movie with tom cruise and jack nicholson ..... when tom asks - we want the truth !!!!

    And jack responds - YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH !!!

    Its sick and people like this in the online poker world should be distinguished and never heard from again......Shame Shame

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    Hey mate(Philivory),

    I sense your passion and frustration in all of this. I really do. However don't think for one minute its "A WASH" as it most certainly is not.

    I am certain there are things going on behind the scenes with various folks interested in this matter - believe me no one is giving up.

    You may think its only of a few of us who are concerned but there is more and some folk just remain reserved and quiet for the moment.

    One thing I do want to caution on. I know in the other forums there was verbal abuse and name calling. I really think that wont help much but only create a higher defense mechanism and thus a higher level of avoidance.

    I do agree with you on some levels for sure:

    1. A high level of Avoidance
    2. Definitely allot of Deception
    3. Lack of Responsibility - irresponsible
    4. Damage Control - no longer possible
    5. Shift of blame on various accounts
    6. Unfulfilled Promises
    7. Undermining
    8. Many others i cant think of

    We certainly know players are still owed money. We certainly know affiliates are owed money. We have been told there is supposedly a merge.

    We are being told the money is safe and it will transfer to the new platform on the new network. This is what we were told.

    Lets break this down:

    Rumor had it and it was told to several people the merge was going to be on the CAKE POKER NETWORK and that this should be quiet.. contracts were not signed ect....

    But as we know from Cake itself - they have denied this!!! As of April 21st.

    We were told IGS is in control of the money - possible lawsuit is happening. We really do not know this as IGS refuses to comment.

    We do know the money is stuck!! and were told Big Daddy's has no access to the system to see affiliate earnings.

    I recently tried to contact support again - and as they indicated all further support issues will be redirected to site management at Big Daddy's.

    So we do know there is no more support.

    Were still not sure if deposits are still possible - they claim cashier will be shut down soon...

    The key here is to put pressure in the right places in a methodical way. Let me give you what i think is the relationships here...

    PYP sends players to Big Daddy's (who sponsors the freerolls)
    Big Daddy's has a sub license from IGS(The Poker community)
    IGS uses and has a license with Merge Gaming.

    In some ways they all have a responsibility in this to the players!!!

    We have heard from PYP on many occasions. We have heard from Big Daddy's with various "TID BITS" of information on this.

    We are being asked to remain patient and let the law run its course....

    However:

    IGS has made no comment nor has Merge Gaming made any comment. And they have refused to answer questions so far!!

    Until we pressure all responsible parties this may take some time!! I would suggest trying to contact every group here on an ongoing basis with relentless questions and asking for assistance from them.

    Dont think of it as a wash -- push forward and continue seeking the truth.

    Steve

    P.S. let me say one last thing: What ever comes of this - we must certainly continue to educate and inform players and affiliates and members of this industry on the history of this situation as to protect them from anything like this happening again.

    History has a funny way of repeating itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by philivory View Post
    Steve to tell ya the truth , i think this is all a wash . No response or updates since the so called merge .

    I mean what do they think were all morons or "fools"? Yes we were fools for beleiving .You got us PIMP and CRAIG thank you very much A-holes

    But with all the "false" promises and due dates of when a merge will be going through ....its really getting pathetic and it makes me sick .

    Not 1 of them will come out and speak the truth ...it reminds me of the movie with tom cruise and jack nicholson ..... when tom asks - we want the truth !!!!

    And jack responds - YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH !!!

    Its sick and people like this in the online poker world should be distinguished and never heard from again......Shame Shame
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    Well ill tell you what UNTIL i see a public statement , that was suppose to be made by the end of april like craig said he would . It is now may 6th .

    The merge was suppose to be last month , i mean wheres some kinda comment from these guys . Let you players know something ...let your affiliates know something ..... say something . To me it looks like they are hiding , being deceitfull and really dont have a care in the world about whats going on .

    Dont ya think they could come out with some kind of statement like they said they would ???

    Ive been around the block a few times and know a thing or two where they can at the very least post some weeeeee lil bit of tid bit information.

    Whats it gonna do if they do post something ..... its not gonna damge any of there lawsuits if there is any .

    I gotta say personally i am very much in DOUBT that anything positive will transpire from these guys . All ive heard so far is the same ole same ole and im just sick of it ...sorry but thats how i feel .

    I feel for the players and the affiliates . This is very unproffesional to say the LEAST .

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    I know! Its rather disturbing behavior we see here now!

    "Actions speak louder than words"

    Let this be a lesson learned - We all made past errors but lets not allow ourselves to do this again in the future. I trust everyone who reads this now will be educated enough to know who not to deal with in the future!

    Steve


    Quote Originally Posted by philivory View Post
    Well ill tell you what UNTIL i see a public statement , that was suppose to be made by the end of april like craig said he would . It is now may 6th .

    The merge was suppose to be last month , i mean wheres some kinda comment from these guys . Let you players know something ...let your affiliates know something ..... say something . To me it looks like they are hiding , being deceitfull and really dont have a care in the world about whats going on .

    Dont ya think they could come out with some kind of statement like they said they would ???

    Ive been around the block a few times and know a thing or two where they can at the very least post some weeeeee lil bit of tid bit information.

    Whats it gonna do if they do post something ..... its not gonna damge any of there lawsuits if there is any .

    I gotta say personally i am very much in DOUBT that anything positive will transpire from these guys . All ive heard so far is the same ole same ole and im just sick of it ...sorry but thats how i feel .

    I feel for the players and the affiliates . This is very unproffesional to say the LEAST .


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    well i got some more lil information .....seems like no1 wants to stand up for themselves there at pyp and there all being deceitfull and still ot telling the truth.... take this as it is......... convo between me and the administrator or whatever he is a mod at pyp.....enjoy and look at these comments about not coming out with the truth...which we are all begging for....... please j todd get in on this and let the affilaiates and players know whats going on...if you can do anything it would help this industry alot



    wbignored: AJ whats up
    Assistance .:
    wbignored: lol
    wbignored: im here in peace
    wbignored: can i ask ya something?
    Assistance .: sure
    wbignored: k'
    wbignored: have ya heard from craig and whats going on with this merge?
    Assistance .: i cant talk aboot it
    wbignored: you can
    wbignored: i know none of this is rays or your faults
    wbignored: aj
    Assistance .: yes?
    wbignored: i can say a few things to save pimp
    wbignored: i just need info
    Assistance .: i've seen what u have said
    wbignored: of course
    wbignored: so no word from craig ......still?
    Assistance .: i cant talk aboot it
    wbignored: he hasnt contacted you
    wbignored: this is gonna go preety deep
    Assistance .: this conversation ?
    wbignored: no the situation with big daddys
    wbignored: and pimp also
    wbignored: so your gonna stay out of it ?
    Assistance .: um I am agreeing to the terms and service I agreed to as a PYP and an Affiliate
    Assistance .: so I say nothing, so i dont break my contract
    Assistance .: unlike some people
    wbignored: i have a contract?
    Assistance .: yes
    wbignored: with bd as an affiliate yes
    wbignored: i dont need to be concerned?
    Assistance .: dunno, its not up to me to do anything about it
    wbignored: ya know ... craig has been very shady
    Assistance .: well when lawyers say dont talk about it
    Assistance .: and everyone wants him to talk about it... what can ya do?
    wbignored: he said he could make a statement at the least by end of last month
    wbignored: and nothing
    wbignored: he could say something dont ya think he could
    Assistance .: yes i agree, he should say something
    wbignored: do you still have faith in him?
    Assistance .: i'm not to sure what kinda replies you want me to make, considering your the one that tried to get me fired from my adminstration job
    wbignored: i just want to hear something
    wbignored: im not gonna get on ya
    wbignored: we as affiliates and players need to know something.....correct?
    wbignored: i have a statement also from craig .... pointing that you didnt run the forum correctley
    Assistance .: does it work?
    Assistance .: the forum
    Assistance .: did i update to the newest version? yes
    Assistance .: that was my job...
    wbignored: not the rt way when i was there
    Assistance .: my job was not to babysit
    wbignored: lol
    wbignored: so somebody complains and you were ordered to ban
    Assistance .: complains?
    Assistance .: if somone breaks the rules, then they were
    wbignored: been a few
    wbignored: those rules are insane
    Assistance .: yeop, i upheld RAYS rules
    Assistance .: that CRAIG and RAY both approved
    wbignored: he puts it on you my friend
    Assistance .: lol does that surprise u at all ?
    wbignored: no it dosent
    wbignored: there trying to save there own
    wbignored: why not put it on you rt?
    Assistance .: lol they cant
    Assistance .: my job was to put up the forum
    Assistance .: and maitain it
    wbignored: i know bro
    wbignored: cant you see , that nothing postive is prospering from this
    wbignored: no word from craig means ....everybody is screwed
    wbignored: christmas is coming ...but it will be over b4 then
    Assistance .: u want me loan u the $10 subscription money?
    wbignored: for what ?
    Assistance .: for xmas
    wbignored: lol
    Assistance .: u should be less whiney about PYP money then affiliate money.
    Assistance .: seriously, $10 x w/e months... compared actually working to get members
    Assistance .: and if u have money on tPC , its not like its hard to move it
    wbignored: i only have like $35 there ...and i havent tried to cash out because i thought this merge was gonna go through and it would be transferred...but that not what im doing what im doing this for
    Assistance .: well, becareful what bandwagon u jump on
    wbignored: im allready on it
    wbignored: think i beleive this delay
    wbignored: come on dude
    Assistance .: so ur just talking to me to get dirt
    wbignored: all im getting is dirt
    wbignored: so is everybody in the pokerworld
    wbignored: i find it amusing that you find it as GOOD publicity
    Assistance .: that video?
    wbignored: no your post
    Assistance .: which post? i have made millions
    wbignored:
    wbignored: me 2
    wbignored: but really you beleive in craig ?
    wbignored: take that as a no comment?
    Assistance .: take that as you didnt come in peace, u just came to start things
    Assistance .: dont expect an answer to your question when u ignore mine
    wbignored: im not scared
    wbignored: whats your ?
    wbignored: ignore what question you had?
    wbignored: ask me ...please
    Assistance .: does it matter
    Assistance .: again u just said u came to get dirt
    wbignored: u said i ignored your question
    wbignored: i said im getting dirt
    wbignored: wow
    Assistance .: ya wow it is
    wbignored: ya im gonna send you some info on how you ran pyp by two of your closest friends
    wbignored: then you can ban me from your forum again
    wbignored: like i care and like anyone else cares
    wbignored: would ya like me 2 send them 2 you?
    Assistance .: nope
    Assistance .: the forum works
    Assistance .: that was my job
    wbignored: well people have said ya did a ****** job
    wbignored: so its on you
    Assistance .: my job was to set up the forum and make sure updates we installed
    wbignored: rays pointing the finger at you
    Assistance .: thats fine, infact i have told him to do that
    Assistance .: looks better that way
    Assistance .: how u gonna spin that one?
    wbignored: ok your digging the whole deeper...thats all i got to say
    Assistance .: lol i hope so, cause u havent said anything to interest me yet
    wbignored: hole*
    wbignored: ok well pimp is on you then huh?
    Assistance .: isnt that what u told me?
    wbignored: nah thats what ur tellin me
    Assistance .: lol all i told u was i installed and setup the forum
    wbignored: you installed a forum where you couldnt get in control panel to send out emails?
    Assistance .: could have sworn i sent out emails
    wbignored: i got 1
    wbignored: uno
    wbignored: bacxk in 1962
    Assistance .: well there ya go
    wbignored: 1
    Assistance .: if they didnt want to send u a newsletter that was their choice, they should be thankful i even sent the 2 out i did do
    wbignored: 1 email through out the whole campaign
    Assistance .: ok so why u telling me?
    wbignored: good job
    Assistance .: it wasnt my job to send them
    wbignored: lol...come on ya set up the forum
    Assistance .: yes
    wbignored: administrator
    Assistance .: yes
    Assistance .: u starting to clue in now?
    wbignored: can get in the cp and send out notifications
    wbignored: and 1 email ......for the whole campaign...nice
    Assistance .: yes i did more then i had to
    Assistance .: go on complain some more
    wbignored: let me pull someting up for you ok
    wbignored: ya there
    wbignored: ajjjjjjj
    Assistance .: yes?
    wbignored:
    Re: PYP‏
    From: Wade Andrews (wade@texasholdemradio.com)
    Sent: Wed 4/15/09 2:35 AM
    To: william cochrane (philivory@msn.com)

    Dude, I know who the mod is there and he's an egotistical fool! That
    explains an awful lot about why the forum is having a problem......
    They have GOT to get rid of him.... That forum will never grow with him
    as a mod.....

    Wade

    wbignored: i mean come on everybody knows how poorly you ran that
    Assistance .: ur to funny
    wbignored: you know how in poker ...you have a gut instinct?
    wbignored: did you go with your gut?
    wbignored: you banned players who voiced there concerns
    wbignored: why?
    wbignored: do you care about your players?
    Assistance .: wanna know something funny
    Assistance .: is that Ray had already sent me that email u sent to him
    wbignored: so
    wbignored: i sent you the reply
    wbignored: j todd will be on this and .......i think all the lies and everything else will be brought out
    Assistance .: thats great
    wbignored: you on the players and affiliatyes side or on the other side?
    Assistance .: affiliates
    wbignored: pick your team
    Assistance .: look, i just intstall and set up forums
    Assistance .: its up to the owners to do with it what they want
    wbignored: whos the owner of pyp?
    Assistance .: u tell me
    Assistance .: u seem to have all the answers
    wbignored: aj....dont dig the hole for yourself
    Assistance .: there is no hole
    wbignored: 2whos the owner of PYP?
    wbignored: YOU?
    Assistance .: lol?
    wbignored: you wont answer that?
    wbignored: you set up the forum for soemeone and dont even know who the owner is?
    wbignored: is that what your tellin me
    Assistance .: lol u notice the only thing i tell u, or will tell
    Assistance .: is that i yes, I set up the forum
    Assistance .: thats a huge hole eh
    wbignored: whos the owner of pyp..is my question to you
    Assistance .: why are u asking me tho? i mean u talk to Ray and Craig right
    wbignored: well ray stated he was and then retracted
    Assistance .: so then u just assume i own it?
    wbignored: you set it up so you should know...deffinateley
    Assistance .: your right, i should
    Assistance .: does that mean i should tell u?
    Assistance .: seeing as your have shown me that your willing to cause me grief
    Assistance .: and if i dont answer, your threats will go noticed
    wbignored: means you should let the whole pokerworld know for your own sake my friend
    Assistance .: for my sake?
    wbignored: so you wont say who had you set up the forum...correct?
    Assistance .: so I wont give you information you claim you already know because your threatening me?
    wbignored: what threats ? im asking you nwho is the owner of pyp and this is my final question to you ......you set it up and you dont know who .... asked you to set up the forum?
    Assistance .: william cochrane jr.: means you should let the whole pokerworld know for your own sake my friend
    wbignored: its a simple question
    Assistance .: william cochrane jr.: aj....dont dig the hole for yourself
    wbignored: okay....so no answer ...correct?
    Assistance .: no dirt
    wbignored: okay aj nice talkin with ya

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    Well i tried and the shady untold truth continues..... this guy is looking for publicity on his own forum but i for - warn you all not to join as this convo shows how deceitfull he is




    wbignored: AJ whats up
    Assistance .:
    wbignored: lol
    wbignored: im here in peace
    wbignored: can i ask ya something?
    Assistance .: sure
    wbignored: k'
    wbignored: have ya heard from craig and whats going on with this merge?
    Assistance .: i cant talk aboot it
    wbignored: you can
    wbignored: i know none of this is rays or your faults
    wbignored: aj
    Assistance .: yes?
    wbignored: i can say a few things to save pimp
    wbignored: i just need info
    Assistance .: i've seen what u have said
    wbignored: of course
    wbignored: so no word from craig ......still?
    Assistance .: i cant talk aboot it
    wbignored: he hasnt contacted you
    wbignored: this is gonna go preety deep
    Assistance .: this conversation ?
    wbignored: no the situation with big daddys
    wbignored: and pimp also
    wbignored: so your gonna stay out of it ?
    Assistance .: um I am agreeing to the terms and service I agreed to as a PYP and an Affiliate
    Assistance .: so I say nothing, so i dont break my contract
    Assistance .: unlike some people
    wbignored: i have a contract?
    Assistance .: yes
    wbignored: with bd as an affiliate yes
    wbignored: i dont need to be concerned?
    Assistance .: dunno, its not up to me to do anything about it
    wbignored: ya know ... craig has been very shady
    Assistance .: well when lawyers say dont talk about it
    Assistance .: and everyone wants him to talk about it... what can ya do?
    wbignored: he said he could make a statement at the least by end of last month
    wbignored: and nothing
    wbignored: he could say something dont ya think he could
    Assistance .: yes i agree, he should say something
    wbignored: do you still have faith in him?
    Assistance .: i'm not to sure what kinda replies you want me to make, considering your the one that tried to get me fired from my adminstration job
    wbignored: i just want to hear something
    wbignored: im not gonna get on ya
    wbignored: we as affiliates and players need to know something.....correct?
    wbignored: i have a statement also from craig .... pointing that you didnt run the forum correctley
    Assistance .: does it work?
    Assistance .: the forum
    Assistance .: did i update to the newest version? yes
    Assistance .: that was my job...
    wbignored: not the rt way when i was there
    Assistance .: my job was not to babysit
    wbignored: lol
    wbignored: so somebody complains and you were ordered to ban
    Assistance .: complains?
    Assistance .: if somone breaks the rules, then they were
    wbignored: been a few
    wbignored: those rules are insane
    Assistance .: yeop, i upheld RAYS rules
    Assistance .: that CRAIG and RAY both approved
    wbignored: he puts it on you my friend
    Assistance .: lol does that surprise u at all ?
    wbignored: no it dosent
    wbignored: there trying to save there own
    wbignored: why not put it on you rt?
    Assistance .: lol they cant
    Assistance .: my job was to put up the forum
    Assistance .: and maitain it
    wbignored: i know bro
    wbignored: cant you see , that nothing postive is prospering from this
    wbignored: no word from craig means ....everybody is screwed
    wbignored: christmas is coming ...but it will be over b4 then
    Assistance .: u want me loan u the $10 subscription money?
    wbignored: for what ?
    Assistance .: for xmas
    wbignored: lol
    Assistance .: u should be less whiney about PYP money then affiliate money.
    Assistance .: seriously, $10 x w/e months... compared actually working to get members
    Assistance .: and if u have money on tPC , its not like its hard to move it
    wbignored: i only have like $35 there ...and i havent tried to cash out because i thought this merge was gonna go through and it would be transferred...but that not what im doing what im doing this for
    Assistance .: well, becareful what bandwagon u jump on
    wbignored: im allready on it
    wbignored: think i beleive this delay
    wbignored: come on dude
    Assistance .: so ur just talking to me to get dirt
    wbignored: all im getting is dirt
    wbignored: so is everybody in the pokerworld
    wbignored: i find it amusing that you find it as GOOD publicity
    Assistance .: that video?
    wbignored: no your post
    Assistance .: which post? i have made millions
    wbignored:
    wbignored: me 2
    wbignored: but really you beleive in craig ?
    wbignored: take that as a no comment?
    Assistance .: take that as you didnt come in peace, u just came to start things
    Assistance .: dont expect an answer to your question when u ignore mine
    wbignored: im not scared
    wbignored: whats your ?
    wbignored: ignore what question you had?
    wbignored: ask me ...please
    Assistance .: does it matter
    Assistance .: again u just said u came to get dirt
    wbignored: u said i ignored your question
    wbignored: i said im getting dirt
    wbignored: wow
    Assistance .: ya wow it is
    wbignored: ya im gonna send you some info on how you ran pyp by two of your closest friends
    wbignored: then you can ban me from your forum again
    wbignored: like i care and like anyone else cares
    wbignored: would ya like me 2 send them 2 you?
    Assistance .: nope
    Assistance .: the forum works
    Assistance .: that was my job
    wbignored: well people have said ya did a ****** job
    wbignored: so its on you
    Assistance .: my job was to set up the forum and make sure updates we installed
    wbignored: rays pointing the finger at you
    Assistance .: thats fine, infact i have told him to do that
    Assistance .: looks better that way
    Assistance .: how u gonna spin that one?
    wbignored: ok your digging the whole deeper...thats all i got to say
    Assistance .: lol i hope so, cause u havent said anything to interest me yet
    wbignored: hole*
    wbignored: ok well pimp is on you then huh?
    Assistance .: isnt that what u told me?
    wbignored: nah thats what ur tellin me
    Assistance .: lol all i told u was i installed and setup the forum
    wbignored: you installed a forum where you couldnt get in control panel to send out emails?
    Assistance .: could have sworn i sent out emails
    wbignored: i got 1
    wbignored: uno
    wbignored: bacxk in 1962
    Assistance .: well there ya go
    wbignored: 1
    Assistance .: if they didnt want to send u a newsletter that was their choice, they should be thankful i even sent the 2 out i did do
    wbignored: 1 email through out the whole campaign
    Assistance .: ok so why u telling me?
    wbignored: good job
    Assistance .: it wasnt my job to send them
    wbignored: lol...come on ya set up the forum
    Assistance .: yes
    wbignored: administrator
    Assistance .: yes
    Assistance .: u starting to clue in now?
    wbignored: can get in the cp and send out notifications
    wbignored: and 1 email ......for the whole campaign...nice
    Assistance .: yes i did more then i had to
    Assistance .: go on complain some more
    wbignored: let me pull someting up for you ok
    wbignored: ya there
    wbignored: ajjjjjjj
    Assistance .: yes?
    wbignored:
    Re: PYP‏
    From: Wade Andrews (wade@texasholdemradio.com)
    Sent: Wed 4/15/09 2:35 AM
    To: william cochrane (philivory@msn.com)

    Dude, I know who the mod is there and he's an egotistical fool! That
    explains an awful lot about why the forum is having a problem......
    They have GOT to get rid of him.... That forum will never grow with him
    as a mod.....

    Wade

    wbignored: i mean come on everybody knows how poorly you ran that
    Assistance .: ur to funny
    wbignored: you know how in poker ...you have a gut instinct?
    wbignored: did you go with your gut?
    wbignored: you banned players who voiced there concerns
    wbignored: why?
    wbignored: do you care about your players?
    Assistance .: wanna know something funny
    Assistance .: is that Ray had already sent me that email u sent to him
    wbignored: so
    wbignored: i sent you the reply
    wbignored: j todd will be on this and .......i think all the lies and everything else will be brought out
    Assistance .: thats great
    wbignored: you on the players and affiliatyes side or on the other side?
    Assistance .: affiliates
    wbignored: pick your team
    Assistance .: look, i just intstall and set up forums
    Assistance .: its up to the owners to do with it what they want
    wbignored: whos the owner of pyp?
    Assistance .: u tell me
    Assistance .: u seem to have all the answers
    wbignored: aj....dont dig the hole for yourself
    Assistance .: there is no hole
    wbignored: 2whos the owner of PYP?
    wbignored: YOU?
    Assistance .: lol?
    wbignored: you wont answer that?
    wbignored: you set up the forum for soemeone and dont even know who the owner is?
    wbignored: is that what your tellin me
    Assistance .: lol u notice the only thing i tell u, or will tell
    Assistance .: is that i yes, I set up the forum
    Assistance .: thats a huge hole eh
    wbignored: whos the owner of pyp..is my question to you
    Assistance .: why are u asking me tho? i mean u talk to Ray and Craig right
    wbignored: well ray stated he was and then retracted
    Assistance .: so then u just assume i own it?
    wbignored: you set it up so you should know...deffinateley
    Assistance .: your right, i should
    Assistance .: does that mean i should tell u?
    Assistance .: seeing as your have shown me that your willing to cause me grief
    Assistance .: and if i dont answer, your threats will go noticed
    wbignored: means you should let the whole pokerworld know for your own sake my friend
    Assistance .: for my sake?
    wbignored: so you wont say who had you set up the forum...correct?
    Assistance .: so I wont give you information you claim you already know because your threatening me?
    wbignored: what threats ? im asking you nwho is the owner of pyp and this is my final question to you ......you set it up and you dont know who .... asked you to set up the forum?
    Assistance .: william cochrane jr.: means you should let the whole pokerworld know for your own sake my friend
    wbignored: its a simple question
    Assistance .: william cochrane jr.: aj....dont dig the hole for yourself
    wbignored: okay....so no answer ...correct?
    Assistance .: no dirt
    wbignored: okay aj nice talkin with ya
    wbignored: ok your on apcw now
    Assistance .: lol figures u have no respect for yourself or anyone else
    wbignored: i want the truth to be known aj
    Assistance .: that i installed the forum, u could have just said that
    wbignored: i asked you who owns pyp and you declined to anser
    Assistance .: lol so that means show u have no respect
    Assistance .: gotcha
    Assistance .: ur not helping anyone with that
    wbignored: respect is telling the truth...which you have not done
    wbignored: thats how you earn respoect
    Assistance .: lol
    Assistance .: and what truth did u say?
    Assistance .: lol see u even lied
    Assistance .: convo between me and the administrator or whatever he is a mod at pyp
    Assistance .: i even tell u in it more then once
    Assistance .:
    wbignored: hey dont fall down lauging , either your an admin ther a mod im hearing all kinds of stories
    Assistance .: Assistance .: lol u notice the only thing i tell u, or will tell
    Assistance .: is that i yes, I set up the forum
    wbignored: i asked you who owns pyp? and you did not answer ...if someone wants me to set up a forum , iusually ask b4 hand are you the owner? and you wont answer that bro
    Assistance .: convo between me and the administrator or whatever he is a mod at pyp.....enjoy and look at these comments about not coming out with the truth.
    Assistance .: and now u see why i wouldnt answer you
    Assistance .: and only stated that i set up the forum
    wbignored: make a statement
    Assistance .: cause this is what u do
    wbignored: be a man
    Assistance .: u go around telling everyoen what everyone else says
    Assistance .: your not helping anyone lol
    wbignored: jump on the forum and stae what you have to say
    wbignored: please
    Assistance .: u already did for me
    Assistance .: ty
    Assistance .: Assistance .: is that i yes, I set up the forum
    wbignored: oh so this is good publicity for you eh?
    Assistance .: its not bad
    wbignored: no its bad
    Assistance .: how is it bad?
    wbignored: all you have to do aj is step up to the plate like a man and tell the truth
    Assistance .: i did tell u the truth
    wbignored: its simple
    Assistance .: and its not good enough for u
    Assistance .: Assistance .: is that i yes, I set up the forum
    Assistance .: that not the truth? prove it
    Assistance .:
    wbignored: who asked you to set it up?
    wbignored:
    wbignored: ?
    Assistance .: my privacy seems to not matter to you apparently
    Assistance .: so i can no longer talk with you
    wbignored: take the route you want
    Assistance .: u made the choice for me
    wbignored: is that a threat?
    Assistance .: yes
    Assistance .: i threaten that i am not gonna talk to u, because u dont care about my privacy
    wbignored: im so sorry
    Assistance .: no ur not, u even said ur intentions from the start lol
    Assistance .: wbignored: this is gonna go preety deep
    Assistance .: this conversation ?
    wbignored: no
    wbignored: my intentions ...YES , to get the players and affilates of whats owed to them yes those are my intentions
    wbignored: prove me otherwise
    Assistance .: i can u already showed your a liar
    wbignored: ok lie about what ?
    Assistance .: wbignored: this is gonna go preety deep
    Assistance .: this conversation ?
    wbignored: no
    wbignored: you consider THAT a lie?
    wbignored: its allready deep my friend
    wbignored: again...who runs PYP?
    Assistance .: go copy paste someone elses privacy
    wbignored: Aj how old are you?
    Assistance .: 14
    wbignored: and how long have you been in this buisness?
    Assistance .: since yesterday
    wbignored: looks that way my friend
    Assistance .: yeop
    wbignored: stop acting like you really are 14
    wbignored: i mean come on
    wbignored: egotisticall fool
    wbignored: kid ego ha
    Assistance .: and u do realize Wade said on the air, he regrets not having the old forum (that i did)?
    Assistance .: but of course not, because u would only listen to the radio if u were on it
    wbignored: i only listened to the games that all
    Assistance .: look i have dealt with bigger issues then this
    Assistance .: ur just anothr one that doesnt care about people, and ur claim u do, is public knowledge u dont
    wbignored: well he says your a fool and i agree with him 100 percent
    Assistance .: so do i
    wbignored: aj you dont care about anything...if you did you would answer this question....WHO OWNS PYP?
    wbignored: has your mind gone into another trance?
    Assistance .: my mind is fine
    wbignored: its a simple ?
    wbignored: i know what the answer is
    wbignored: by poker instincts ...I KNOW
    Assistance .: then why asks?
    wbignored: ok my answer whold be craig and ray
    wbignored: is that a straight flush?
    Assistance .: so then u just copied and pasted our entire chat, because i wouldnt answer your question and breach my contract... to something u claim u know the answer too
    wbignored: ok so craig and ray are both the owners of PYP?
    wbignored: dont play the 27 offsuit
    Assistance .: it pays the bills
    wbignored: im good though on who owns it?
    wbignored: take that as a good call huh
    Assistance .: take it as i will never answer a question you ask because everything to u is open to everyone, u dont care about peoples privacy
    Assistance .: u are not someone to trust
    wbignored: 'AJ we all have been burnt here ...... we all have scars to prove it ...we are waiting and waiting and waiting for some kinda statement which craig said he would make....it hasnt happpened ...wake up n smell the coffee.....dont trust me im not the one who owns bds or pimp .......im just some1 who wants details and the truth to be spoken
    wbignored: you yourself wont even say who had you set uo the forum...what are you gonna get ?
    Assistance .: so because he doesnt make a statement, u void my privacy?
    Assistance .: look i wont tell u anything, cause i knew that post is what u would do
    Assistance .: u made it public that i installed the forum and thats it, thank you
    wbignored: your privacy ?
    Assistance .: this convo
    Assistance .: its just u and me isnt it?
    wbignored: how bout the millions who supported this thing
    Assistance .: and what does me installing the forum have to do with that?
    wbignored: ur privacy your worried about?
    Assistance .: well it does mean something to some people
    wbignored: well this is an open forum come and speak on the gpwa
    Assistance .: u said everything for me
    wbignored: you wont be banned
    Assistance .: thank you
    Assistance .: if i swear on there they wont ban me?
    wbignored: no
    Assistance .: how sad
    Assistance .: thought they were reputable
    wbignored: i dont think so
    wbignored: why did i swear?
    Assistance .: u refering to me banning u on my site?
    wbignored: i said a curse word?
    Assistance .: are u?
    wbignored: am i what
    Assistance .: wow, put the pipe down
    Assistance .: or just copy paste at the end
    wbignored: what are you saying?
    wbignored: i never cursed you
    wbignored: ray hes cursed me yes
    Assistance .: lol no u just went around trying to get me fired
    Assistance .: thats why i banned u for a week from my site
    wbignored: yes i sent you a pm to ease up on the players a lil
    Assistance .: guess i should have left u banned on my site, because u show no respect to anyone
    wbignored: i have messages from craig that says you are not a good mod
    Assistance .: GREAT
    Assistance .: cause i aint a mod
    wbignored: your the owner of pyp?
    Assistance .: lol?
    Assistance .: please go post this
    Assistance .: its so funny how stupid u r
    wbignored: whos the owner one more time?
    Assistance .: who's the idiot reply one more time
    wbignored: very good aj
    wbignored: great answer
    wbignored: ]kepp your mouth quiet and dont tell a word...nice
    Assistance .: i have told u everything
    Assistance .: u even posted what i said
    Assistance .: lol ?
    wbignored: u still havent answered the ? that i have asked you ....who is the owner of PYP?
    Assistance .: lol i have asked u questions u dont answer
    Assistance .: do u see me posting how dumb u are ?
    wbignored: IM NOT THE ONE WHO WAS ASKED TO SET UP A FORUM AND NOT KNOW WHO THE OWNER IS ..........NOW IS THAT DUMB
    Assistance .: did i say i dont know?
    Assistance .: go read your post
    wbignored: yes you havent answered
    Assistance .: so that means I dont know?
    wbignored: who is it then?
    Assistance .: do u lose sleep over this?
    wbignored: actually i am losin sleep over this bs yes
    Assistance .: thats sad
    Assistance .:
    wbignored: no whats sad is you cant answer me
    Assistance .: whats also sad is that u copy paste peoples chats
    wbignored: i want this all 2 be done
    Assistance .: then unplug your pc
    Assistance .: then it will be done
    wbignored: okay thank you aj
    Assistance .: go post it
    wbignored: i will
    Assistance .: and there u know why u get no answers
    Assistance .: again u show u dont care about anyone but yourself
    Assistance .: go post
    wbignored: lol i care about the players and affiliates
    Assistance .: with posting this?
    wbignored: show me otheriwse
    Assistance .: sorry this info does not prove or show anything
    wbignored: who owns PYP....AGAIN I ask you?
    Assistance .: u dont care about me, i am an affiliate and a player
    Assistance .: so please go post that
    Assistance .: go show ur lies so more
    wbignored: you set up the forum and dont know who owns it?
    Assistance .: u dont care about affiliates?
    wbignored: didnt i allready state that
    Assistance .: no, u should everyone that u dont
    Assistance .: showed* sorry i noticed how educated u are and need proper spelling sometimes
    wbignored: u can tell me how to spell....but WONT tell me who runs PYP and asked you to set up and run the forum ...correct?
    wbignored: ya there?
    wbignored: will you answer that SIMPLE question?
    Assistance .: will you ever respect anyone ? maybe thats why u cant sleep at night
    wbignored: take that as a no.....what else
    wbignored: stay in your shell till the truth comes out
    Assistance .: shell? sorry to much work to do... not everyone has the time to piddle around like u
    wbignored: so you wont tell the truth to your own forum members that you are correntley in charge of and own is that correct?
    Assistance .: i tell all MY members what is true
    Assistance .: thats why they come back
    wbignored: cause your an ego - maniac ?
    Assistance .: i guess
    wbignored: okay thank you mr PYP

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    Look at this ego maniac....he thinks this is good publicity , as in the comments hes posted he has shown he is untrustwothy and was only in this for himself----------- hes an egomaniac all- I WARN YOU ALL not to give him the publicity he is looking for .

    I reaaly hope ray reads this and craig reads this .... things are getting sorted out and are mission is to learn how to affilate sityes to help them grow and to keep forums open and not for greed.....as you will see here this guy is in it for himself ..... ray caught up in his web and got screwed...... i know alot of people PYP forum that agrres this guy is an ego-tistical fool

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    Assistance .: this guy is looking for publicity on his own forum but i for - warn you all not to join as this convo shows how deceitfull he is
    Assistance .:
    Assistance .: publicity ?
    Assistance .: you did it for me thanks
    wbignored: ya think so?
    Assistance .: i know u proved me right
    wbignored: wow you really are an ego-maniac
    wbignored: thsts why pimp failed
    Assistance .: because u showed u dont care about affiliates
    Assistance .: ok
    Assistance .: yeop it failed cause 1/2 the members are cause of me
    wbignored: ray will know about you now
    wbignored: u made this all yourself ha?
    Assistance .: he already knows about me, and he already knows who are u too
    Assistance .: even better, you showed everyone who are u
    Assistance .: your not to fond of yourself are you?
    wbignored: keep digging your hole
    Assistance .: nope, your digging your own
    wbignored: im on solid ground..unlike you my friend
    Assistance .:
    wbignored: keep sayin stuff ill post it o the forum you want publicity from
    Assistance .: how do i want publicity? i aint even a member
    Assistance .: oh right, cause u copy paste everything
    wbignored: cause you HAVE NO CARE IN THE WORLD AJ
    Assistance .: i sure do, i care about my members
    Assistance .: thats why i aint a fool like u
    Assistance .: guess ur not an affiliate after all
    wbignored: affilate of you?
    wbignored: what are u talkiin about kid?
    Assistance .:
    Assistance .: do u even know what that website is about?
    wbignored: do you?
    wbignored: you just burried yourself with your ego
    Assistance .: lol


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