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    A big farce... just as mentioned months ago... while some ppl even "understood" their position... this is disgusting really

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post

    Ha ha ha! Kamikaze Program!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    This is, why parts of this industry will be stopped by governments sooner or later.
    Obviously, many have not learned anything from the past.
    There has always been more than enough money to go around, for everyone from affiliates, to gaming operators. But, some people want it all. And for them, money becomes the root of all evil. When honesty, integrity and just plain human decency is sold out for ******* people over, eventually Karma comes back to bite those Fat Cats on their asses. Unfortunately though, hard working affiliates etc., end up being caught up in the collateral damage.

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    @dirk20

    Hello,

    I thought that this problem has been resolved for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post

    A new case of an player from Austria.
    He made a deposit of 365 Euro.
    Lady Luck was on his side, so he won 5,500 Euro.
    When he requested a cashout, the Condor gang decided to freeze his account and refuse cashout, because he had allegedly multiple accounts, which was obviously not the case. As always Condor refused to provide evidence.
    Claims of fraudulent activity BUT no evidence supplied. This is same ploy used against Dirk, yet the GPWA still sides with Condor The GPWA should give Condor 24 hours to supply the evidence against Dirk, or the funds are released from Escrow. To maintain the current path, means the GPWA is inadvertently assisting Condor and giving credence to continue its scam of both Dirk and this Austrian player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtyunby65 View Post
    @dirk20

    Hello,

    I thought that this problem has been resolved for you?
    I was under the impression that the GPWA are holding the funds in Escrow until October (not sure about date but thought it was the 4'th?). Unless condor supplied proof of fraud, the GPWA would release the funds to Dirk

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyfeet View Post
    Claims of fraudulent activity BUT no evidence supplied. This is same ploy used against Dirk, yet the GPWA still sides with Condor The GPWA should give Condor 24 hours to supply the evidence against Dirk, or the funds are released from Escrow. To maintain the current path, means the GPWA is inadvertently assisting Condor and giving credence to continue its scam of both Dirk and this Austrian player.
    And for example MGA will just say that it's in the terms that they can freeze an account in case of suspection of fraude. No matter if they provide any evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyfeet View Post
    I was under the impression that the GPWA are holding the funds in Escrow until October (not sure about date but thought it was the 4'th?). Unless condor supplied proof of fraud, the GPWA would release the funds to Dirk
    Condor wrote the following on July 27th:
    "At this time the fraud department has cleared payment of the commission. The finance department has not, because they view there is a chargeback risk and the period during which a chargeback can occur has not yet fully elapsed. The chargeback risk period will end on 4th October 2017."

    So, first of all, it took them 3 months to realize that there's no fraud, which is insane, of course. And they've never even told me until today what led to the suspicion of fraud in the first place.

    How do we interpret that statement then? I guess, we have to announce to the broader public that ALL affiliate payments from Condor will be held 6 months for payment because of charge-back risks. Correct - or is there any other possible interpretation of this sentence which I don't currently see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk20 View Post
    I guess, we have to announce to the broader public that ALL affiliate payments from Condor will be held 6 months for payment because of charge-back risks.
    I'm struggling to remember the last charge-back incurred on one of my affiliate accounts. With card verification's such as Visa Verified and the Mastercard equivalent, I believe these pre-purchase checks, along with issuing banks being a lot more savvy these days, has helped tremendously in reducing player charge-backs. And, if a charge-back occurs, more and more gaming operators challenge disputes these days. (previously they'd let them slide but not these days. If they have proof, they challenge them, and so they should).

    IMHO Condor are using outdated (old school) mentality, to garnish the earnings of legitimate, and rightful affiliate commissions. Ironically, the fraud they claim to be protecting themselves from, have Condor committing fraud, with these bogus charge-back claims.

    Worse, the GPWA is in full support of these crime-like actions
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    Yep, thats whats worse... And what I have mentioned several times before in this thread. I cant understand how anyone could really agree with those actions from Condor... actually I am lauthing out loud even thinking about that.

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    What do you think, should I ask Condor for compensation/interest once this is over?
    If so, what would be the right amount for all the hours wasted as well as being 4 months late with the payment?

    Well, I certainly don't expect a rogue company like Condor wanting to make up for the damage they caused. (A trustworthy company would instead of Condor's.)
    But I should at least ask or shouldn't I!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk20 View Post
    What do you think, should I ask Condor for compensation/interest once this is over?
    If so, what would be the right amount for all the hours wasted as well as being 4 months late with the payment?

    Well, I certainly don't expect a rogue company like Condor wanting to make up for the damage they caused. (A trustworthy company would instead of Condor's.)
    But I should at least ask or shouldn't I!?
    Sure. Except, sunshine, sea water and air nothing is for free. They should compensate 4 months of interest. Also Curacao has legal interest. It's something like 3,5%.

    But I guess they won't pay.

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    Hey Dirk,

    if any of this business would be "real", "serious" and legal business, you SHOULD ask for compensation and get what you deserve no questions asked... The reality here is though that its 1000% you wont get a dime... Thats why I really wish all of this busines to become regulated one day with all the disadvantages coming with regulation. Companies making money and lots of it, offering casino games (we are talking about "money machines" if ran correctly) just dont giving a s*** and act like in wild wild west really makes me mad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gosu View Post
    just dont giving a s*** and act like in wild wild west really makes me mad...
    Well, there's certainly some companies that try hard to make this industry look more serious. But then again comes a company like Condor which acts illegal, breaks their own terms and ruins the reputation at the expense of others ...
    I think, Bet365 for instance, certainly don't consider Condor as a competitor since they are too small but they might hope their scams and shady businesses don't affect their image as well being part of the same gaming industry!?

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    Sure Condor is no competitor to Bet365 or companies of that size.

    Grey markets are becoming either regulated or black markets. Condor doesn't have the money, product or userbase to compete in regulated markets. Perhaps they are able to pick 1 or 2 markets where they perform well (however I have no idea which). If not, the company is gone within a few years.

    I don't think the name of the Condor clown clan appears somewhere in SWOT analysis etc in Bet365 internal documents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk20 View Post
    Well, there's certainly some companies that try hard to make this industry look more serious. But then again comes a company like Condor which acts illegal, breaks their own terms and ruins the reputation at the expense of others ...
    I think, Bet365 for instance, certainly don't consider Condor as a competitor since they are too small but they might hope their scams and shady businesses don't affect their image as well being part of the same gaming industry!?
    You're right, that's the problem.
    Good companies, take bad reputations for online games, for the bad companies.

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    A funny thing just happened, Condor sent a promo email through MailChimp, also to my email address, the very same my affiliate account is associated with.
    Subject of that mailer is: "Looking for partners and thought of you." I have to agree, this is a pretty good joke after our common history ...

    Content starts with: "I would like to introduce you to
    www.condor-affiliates.com

    We are looking for new outreach partners and I would love to be able to work with you!"

    So, obviously, a professional company removes all email addresses that already have an account from such a mailer. No idea, where they took my address from in this case, anyway.
    Part of the problem with Condor seems to be a huge lack of professionalism ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk20 View Post
    A funny thing just happened, Condor sent a promo email through MailChimp, also to my email address, the very same my affiliate account is associated with.
    Subject of that mailer is: "Looking for partners and thought of you." I have to agree, this is a pretty good joke after our common history ...

    Content starts with: "I would like to introduce you to
    www.condor-affiliates.com

    We are looking for new outreach partners and I would love to be able to work with you!"

    So, obviously, a professional company removes all email addresses that already have an account from such a mailer. No idea, where they took my address from in this case, anyway.
    Part of the problem with Condor seems to be a huge lack of professionalism ...
    It's really ridiculous!

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    "Subject of that mailer is: "Looking for partners and thought of you.""

    Sounds like a message from a dating site.

    Sooner or later some kind of this business models will be the only money source for Condor in the future anyway.

    ---

    Condor Massage Palace
    You come as a stranger and go as a friend*
    *New customers are served against payment in advance only

    ---

    From Condor's FAQ site:

    "A good and lasting relationship with partners of Condor Affiliates is the key interest to us. [...] Our goal is that you do not need to wait with important questions."

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    All of this seems to make total sense to some... at least paytime is not too far away anymore for Dirk... Thats if Condor dont come up with another shady story and being supported by "authority"...

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