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    I had not seen this topic.
    4500 euros is a lot for an affiliate.

    Condor must have all the data of this player not?
    It must not be complicated to settle this matter.

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    Condor didn't react anymore... I guess that says enough. They were quite fast with responding the initial post, but now they're gone. Just like before when questions became too difficult...

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    Condor know,here is no way to win this war - because sometimes is it better to be quiet.

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    There's no answer yet from Condor.
    How do we interpret that? Is it, they seriously think, I will stop making this case more public!? Do they think, they can keep the damage to their reputation below 4,500 Euro!? Weird.

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    It is correct that the traffic from this affiliate raised red flags. For this reason the relevant department, is investigating this case. There has no final word made about payment or non payment in this case. We have send the affiliate an email with a request for additional information, so we can clear the case and come to a final solution. The way of communication or refusal from the affiliate does not help moving this case further. We are awaiting for his information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CondorAffiliates View Post
    The way of communication or refusal from the affiliate does not help moving this case further.
    This sentence doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I always sent ALL information requested, no matter how weird it was (e. g. bank statement from me). The opposite is true: Condor denied answering my questions, as already stated.

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    Another update, Condor does again what they can do best: Refusing to communicate and to pay. @Condor: Do you seriously think, ANYBODY likes to do business with you in future if you act this way?

    I sent the required information on Wednesday together with questions from my side, of course no answer or sign of life from Condor, what else.
    Seriously, what is wrong with you? I can give you a hint: If your "investigation" doesn't find anything, then it might be because I DIDN'T DO ANY MANIPULATION WHATSOEVER. Got it? We're talking about the April payment here, it's already July 10th, just unbelievable.

    @all: As the AAC already starts tomorrow, is there a forum for this event and could someone please make this case public there in order to warn at least some visitors against Condor? Thanks a lot, I'm not registered with the AAC. But if there's an AAC forum and guests can write things, please tell me.

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    The upper sentence makes perfectly sense, considering we have requested information priorly and for the fact our employees received personal threats from the affiliate which can be easily interpreted as death threats.

    When there is not much cooperation from an affiliate, and only seriously aggressive (personal) threats, it does not help to resolve issues faster. We also suggested personal meeting, which were refused, but helping to solve issues. We have informed Dirk regarding the process.

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    Why in gods name dont you just pay the affiliate his earned money and move on? Seriously, thats no rocket science! In any case there is one thing clear: no matter what happened, how bla bla - you made money out of this! Seriously I will never understand how a company behaves like that for like 4.5k €, ruining their reputation etc. Only thing that makes sense then is that this is NOT a serious business, some quick scamming planned or the company plans on leaving the business/has no funds whatever. Anything else does NOT make ANY sense at all...! Alarm bells!

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    "only seriously aggressive (personal) threats"

    Says Captain Condor, he of all people.
    He, who represents also the 24Bettle Casino scam, which refuses payouts and defames as a proven fact players in the public as "gang members" without a shred of evidence.

    He, who tried to spam this forum some weeks ago over days with the silliest tactics I have ever seen.

    He of all people, from the "gang members" brand, is talking now about "
    seriously aggressive (personal) threats".

    Listen Snowflake,

    I give you 7 and a half day from today to solve this problem to the favor of Dirk. If you fail, it will be your problem to explain to your supervisor, why all Condor brands at once are destroyed public everywhere - e.g. with the "gang members" story - and you have had the chance to avoid that. If this story goes around, no player ever will return to you in the long run. That means Zero income for the casino, and you'll be fired.

    If you need further information, what that does mean, contact the idiots from Club Gold Partners, AffPower and Buffalo Partners. There reputation is below Zero, and they only can find affiliates or friends, even girlfriends if they pay in advance huge sums for it. They cooperate with hackers, because there is no longer any other market for that programs.

    If you want to be named in the future with that scum, for all times, then you must continue this game.
    Or you give Dirk his money.
    Your choice.
    7 and a half day from today.
    No more dialog about that.
    I will now make the first phone calls that everything can start if you fail.

    Have a nice evening.

    Leopold
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    Quote Originally Posted by CondorAffiliates View Post
    The upper sentence makes perfectly sense, considering we have requested information priorly and for the fact our employees received personal threats from the affiliate which can be easily interpreted as death threats.
    I object, it doesn't makes sense. I certainly told my account manager that he won't get rid of me until my share is paid and that after all his refusal to provide evidence and answering questions, it would certainly not become a very pleasant meeting, in case we meet somewhere, in Berlin later this year for instance. Talking about "death threats" is another nonsense ...

    Quote Originally Posted by CondorAffiliates View Post
    When there is not much cooperation from an affiliate
    Please finally provide ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE where I didn't cooperate. All information requested got sent be me the very same day, as stated several times. You're very good in claiming things - without providing any backup. I bet, no response to this again, that's almost certain.

    Quote Originally Posted by CondorAffiliates View Post
    , and only seriously aggressive (personal) threats, it does not help to resolve issues faster. We also suggested personal meeting, which were refused, but helping to solve issues. We have informed Dirk regarding the process.
    Again, also stated several times in this thread: I don't fly to any arbitrary city in order to receive my earnings, especially not with lousy 22.5% rvs. THIS WAS NOT PART OF OUR CONTRACT, there's no affiliate agreement in the world that demands one partner to travel somewhere. Period.
    Besides that, who would have paid for the trip then, including my working time? In my emails, I asked a hundred times, what would be the benefit of a personal meeting, how would that help anything (like "Oh sorry, we cannot pay you, we don't like your hair colour"?), you refused to answer this, like EVERY OTHER QUESTION from my side.

    Jesus, never have experienced something like this in 12 years of business. No wonder that gambling in general hasn't got such a good reputation in the public if there's seriously operators working like this ...

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    Anthony and I met with Condor Affiliates this Thursday, two days ago, at the Amsterdam Affiliate Conference. At that meeting, which included a member of Condor's senior management team, current issues relating to this particular case were discussed, including some of the reasons the case has not yet been fully resolved. I wish that I could provide additional details, but that is not possible or appropriate at this time.

    We will be following up with Condor Affiliates with the objective of ensuring the affiliate is indeed paid unless it is appropriately and reasonably determined that payment is not appropriate.

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    i know a German sports betting affiliate who is waiting on payment of 600 and has almost given up. he is not a gpwa member but i will show him this thread and request him to post here

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    "We will be following up with Condor Affiliates with the objective of ensuring the affiliate is indeed paid unless it is appropriately and reasonably determined that payment is not appropriate."

    And I am highly confident, that this will be done within the next 2 days from now, because if there is hard evidence against the webmaster, there is no need for stalling tactics unless fake evidence will be fabricated now.

    As I wrote, my timeline is clear, and after this timeline Condor Affiliates will be burned in the public with their "gang members" story everywhere unless they a) pay Dirk within the next 2 days or provide hard evidence against Dirk within the next 12 hours.

    Evidence against Condor Affiliates exists. We have a GPWA member source, GPWA member pseudonym, an eyewitness: "
    i know a German sports betting affiliate who is waiting on payment of €600 and has almost given up."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    "We will be following up with Condor Affiliates with the objective of ensuring the affiliate is indeed paid unless it is appropriately and reasonably determined that payment is not appropriate."

    And I am highly confident, that this will be done within the next 2 days from now, because if there is hard evidence against the webmaster, there is no need for stalling tactics unless fake evidence will be fabricated now.

    As I wrote, my timeline is clear, and after this timeline Condor Affiliates will be burned in the public with their "gang members" story everywhere unless they a) pay Dirk within the next 2 days or provide hard evidence against Dirk within the next 12 hours.

    Evidence against Condor Affiliates exists. We have a GPWA member source, GPWA member pseudonym, an eyewitness: "
    i know a German sports betting affiliate who is waiting on payment of €600 and has almost given up."

    Leopold


    It's sure, when you owe money, you have to pay.
    Now it happens to the webmaster to stress because of always running after his money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    there is no need for stalling tactics unless fake evidence will be fabricated now.
    You're making a very good point here, I don't understand either why Condor needs even more time to "investigate". I don't know if I'm paranoid but their behaviour gets more and more suspicious. What are they trying to buy time for, do they have financial problems maybe!?

    On July, 11th they wrote to me "We hope we can give a final outcome within 2 weeks." I replied the next day and asked: "please note, that it's already 10 weeks after the end of the respective commission period. Also, all information requested was provided by me within the very same day, so no excuse here.
    It would help a lot if you could tell me: What do you need these 2 weeks for, what are you trying to do?"

    Of course, I've received no answer to this the recent days - which again is pretty normal. I cannot recall one single question from my side that ever got answered from Condor.
    Furthermore, they wrote for instance: "For this reason we had also suggested a personal meeting; as this solves any issues faster." Does anybody here have a clue what they mean by this exactly? Of course, they will never tell me what would have been the benefit of a meeting, no matter how often I ask. I guess, I will die one day without ever getting to experience what they are talking about. Anybody one idea, why in the world would a meeting in Amsterdam help their "investigation"!? I mean, what the heck, they kind of make me curious about this.

    I will write my update on this on Thursday ...

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    Its really getting ridiculous and excuse me in advance for the rude words... But imagine you wouldnt pay a contractor of yours, just because? Ehm, why again? ...! Oh, for no reason and that even though you even made money out of it!

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    No progress. It's day 80 (!!!) after the respective commission period we're talking about here.

    In the meantime, another question for Condor. Please answer directly here in this thread, so everybody can either read or see you don't communicate.

    First thing that puzzled me was the following: Normally, Condor Affiliates sends an email every 1st or 2nd of the month with title "Your Condor Affiliates invoice for b-Bets", announcing that the according share is available to be paid.
    Well, in this case, Condor did NOT do so. But they also didn't contact me either to solve this issue, nothing, just silence. It was actually me who had to make the first step. Please explain why is that? My interpretation for this behaviour: You planned on stealing my money all the time and didn't think I would notice or fight back!?

    What else? You decided NOT to mail me like you normally do, no reasons named whatsoever. THIS raises a lot of "red flags" on my end ...

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    Whats going on here?! I think its about time to name this pure SCAM...

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    Condor lose more than 4,5k with this public disaster.

    Btw dirk,can u login in your account,or is it locked ? Because u have maybe earn more cash in the last 80! Days.

    Regards

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