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    I have 10L Gazoline in my garage,i hope this is enought for this witch.


    @Dirk did u get the money from the last month ?

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    @Roulette Zeitung Thank you very much for your kindness.

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    If they showed these concerns rather than merely stating their concerns, it would be different from my point of view. The program has been afforded credibility that they did not earn from the best I can tell.

    This proposal still has the affiliate being held hostage but it is OK because they said there were sound reasons for holding onto the money... And under that proposal, the kidnappers have a license to keep their hostage until October. I truly hope no one works with them until they make right.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    I don't view Condor as a hero here. In my opinion they are not. However, I don't view them as villains either. Because in my opinion they are not.

    I was called upon to share what I believe, and I made an attempt to explain part of what I have seen that had not already been expressed in this thread.

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    It would be so simple to put the proof!
    It's crazy, that some affiliate programs, wait to have thousands of negative messages for to wake up.
    I will still have to remove links! Pff

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    There is no proof, they just have concerns. Concerns that aren't made clear to Dirk if I understood will the posts here. That is tricky, it means that they could stall whatever payment with a risk of a chargeback. Every CC-payment has that risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progger View Post
    @Dirk did u get the money from the last month ?
    No, May was negative and June had some minor profit. The regular payments with Condor arrive about 40 days after end of the respective period, which should make them by far the slowest affiliate payer, even in regular situations. So, I don't know the minimum payout and if it's above but nothing would happen before Aug 10th, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    Leopold,

    My view is that you are making a presentation of only a portion of the truth that you know paints a false picture. Condor Affiliates did hold a valid sub-license in Curacao (for those of you who don't know, there are four organizations holding direct master gaming-licensees in Curacao, and they are authorized to grant sub-licenses). The webmaster of the Condor sites knew they were properly licensed, and linked to what was thought to be the seal for all licensees. However, it was a seal granted by a specific one of the master-licensees. The master licensee for Condor did not provide a seal, and so when the issue was pointed out by Leopold, Condor correctly removed the link to the seal used by a master-licensee that was not their master-licensee. Personally, I understand the confusion here. Before investigating the matter several years ago I did not understand that there were server master-licensees in Curacao that issued sub-licenses, and could have easily made the same mistake myself. Shame on you, Leopold, for presenting only a portion of the facts that create a distorted picture of what was uncovered at the time.

    Michael
    Here I do not agree. Even still at some websites Condor states that they are licensed by the government of Curacao. Before they stated that they were licensed by the government of Costa Rica. That is simply misleading, because both governments aren't issueing any licenses to online casinos. An online casino, which is supposed to be a profession party, should know better. Information on a casino website must be correct and this information is obviously not correct. In my opinion it's impossible that this is not put intentionally.

    Even some terms are misleading, like for example bonus term 1.1 (hxttps://www.b-bets.com/bonus_terms). B-Bets promises 250% bonus up to € 250 which is in fact 100% on the 1st deposit, 100% on the 2nd deposit and 50% on the 3rd deposit. That's not 250%. Also here, a professional party (an online casino is supposed to be that) must know better.

    My feeling is that Condor is providing false and misleading information willing and knowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    I do know that the tone in the messages from the affiliate to Condor was quite negative, and was viewed as constituting personal threats against its employees.
    I was confronted with wrong allegations and also got presented with manufactured evidence like with "login patterns", also was denied to have one single question answered. This made me indeed pretty angry, that's true. I already apologized beforehand, one thing Condor never did, by the way. Talking about death threats which Condor did, is nonsense, they are very fast with lying, unfortunately.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    And I have been told it was the affiliate, and not Condor that cut off communications with the affiliate manager at the time by deleting him from Skype.
    Thanks, this is another PERFECT example of how Condor manipulates information and tries to present a wrong picture, you might as well call this a lie the way it is stated. I deleted the Skype contact after he refused to say one single word and CUT OFF communication with me long time before. So, of course, I deleted him. What's the difference between having a contact in Skype who doesn't say ONE SINGLE word and no contact!?
    At the same time, I had already been in contact with the support of Condor's via email. So, any time we wished to reach me and provide me with information or answer one single question, of course we could have done so. But they decided against.
    The behaviour of Condor becomes more and more untrustworthy, if that's even possible. They seriously try to turn the facts around and claim I was the one impeding communication - WTF!?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    In terms of knowing extra information, I really don't know that much.
    I'm sorry, Michael, I don't understand. You said, you share Condor's concerns, right? Why do you do so if you don't have any information? I simply like to know what the concerns are based on, nothing more ...

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    Instead, I seem to find myself in the middle being accused of taking sides and withholding information. That's just not fair.
    That's wrong, I didn't accuse you of withholding information. Please read my post again, I tried to make it very clear that I'm blaming Condor for providing me only 1/2 or 1/3 the information they sent to you. English is not my mother tongue, unfortunately, but I tried my best to express that. Of course, you cannot know, which information you got was also shared with me. As a rule of thumb: I don't have nothing more than allegations yet.
    Since the communication of Condor's is still extremely bad, I would appreciate if you could summarize to me what are the "concerns" of Condor's based on, thanks for your time and effort.

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    Thank you very much Triple7, that you don't let me look like a liar.

    Celena, some now have a mood here comparable with the day of the storming of the Bastille fortress. The rebellion against abuse of power and blatant injustice.

    Shay, it can happen, that we both - like in the golden Dino days - are now categorized back for some to the "troublemaker" club. It's not our fault. We both - and others - would never ever touch or help a program like Condor in a case against an affiliate without forensic evidence, not even with a pincer pliers and respirator.

    Vtyunby65, after many months watching your activity, I am now highly confident, that you are also a humble but warm light here in the forum, that can provide a balance for some moments in a fighter's mind. You only want harmony, and that everything works fine.

    Happyfeet, your motto obviously is "I am fearless, I dread nothing.". An excellent choice.

    And Condor?
    No matter, how this case turns out ... they are finished.

    All others here, even if I did not mentioned you, this does not make you less worthy. Even if you try to call me a liar here or if you have a different opinion, you must never fear, that I would request to silence your voice or to allow that anyone will silence your voice.

    The simple reason that I have to stop now is, I have now to feed my dogs. They surrounded me, staring at me and waiting for the jackpot in their feeding bowls.

    Leopold

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    Hi Leopold,

    Thank you very much for your kind words and good will. I really appreciate it.

    Take care and have great day ahead! I'm sure we'll speak again very soon.

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    Updates ?

    100 days after tomorrow ?

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    I am sure Dirk is still held hostage here, unreal s***...

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    Being held hostage is a good expression, indeed, that's what it feels like, besides being insulted by their bad communication.

    Here's the current "development" (if one can call it that way): On Jul 27th I asked Condor which deposit method was used, so I could check on my own about the charge-back terms.
    The reply was: "With regards to the 6 month period, charge-backs can be made from transactions up to 6 months after the date of deposit, which in this case will expire on the 4th of October 2017. Chargebacks are unfortunately quite a common problem in online payments. It is a 6 months period in which a person can revert its payment."

    It is noticeable that this is actually the closest that Condor came to one single answer in the entire 2 months of being in contact. Well, I don't count it as an answer, the deposit method used wasn't mentioned at all and I still have no clue why 6 months are necessary. It seems like Visa and MasterCard offer 120 days, for instance?

    So, I asked again on Aug 2nd: "My question wasn't answered at all, please tell me which deposit method was used EXACTLY. Furthermore, which date was the deposit made and which country is the depositor from? I raised these questions already weeks ago - but of course, no reply."
    Since then, silence again, of course. Condor keeps denying to provide me with information that every other operator would consider reasonable, especially if they don't pay you the commission earned.

    I cannot tell what Condor wants to hide here; it's extremely suspicious and unkind. They must still be trying to scam me, I don't have any other explanation for that ...

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    Thats unreal wtf... Best of all, their behaviour is being "supported" (excuse me, dont know the perfect English word) by some people here. Pathetic company to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gosu View Post
    Thats unreal wtf... Best of all, their behaviour is being "supported" (excuse me, dont know the perfect English word) by some people here. Pathetic company to work with.
    That is the perfect word. Another word that would be appropriate would be "enabled".

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    "which deposit method was used, so I could check on my own about the charge-back terms."

    Indeed, credit card chargebacks can be extended up to 6 months, but only criminals are starting a charge back later than 3 months.

    The problem with Condor is, that they violate their own terms:


    "1. Definitions and Interpretation

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    4. Casino Revenue Share' shall be based on the net revenue received from casino games by CONDOR for Players and/or Users. The net revenue shall be calculated on a monthly basis in accordance with the following formula: all gross monies received by CONDOR from Players and/or Users through CONDOR's promoted websites, less monies paid out to Players and/or Users as winnings, less any charge backs and a fixed % for gaming costs (20% (deposit -/- payouts))."

    Source:
    condor-affiliates.com/page/terms

    This term is clear: Any charge backs reduces the revenue share, but only if charge backs really happens and not on the base of insane predictions and wild accusations without any published or communicated evidence.

    So withholding this money is a clear breach of the terms, an illegal act under the law in most coutries. In my country the Public Prosecutor's Office would be called and/or the money would be distrained after a short civil court hearing.

    Think about, what the complete audience will think about this case and the role of CCM, if there is NO charge-back until 4. October 2017 and the whole case was only a big nothing burger, a stalling stage play.

    The whole forum asked for public evidence, with megaphones and protest signs. I also offered free tickets for Fernanda's private Limbo Dance Party next week to the CCM as an incentive, but despite this offer, no one can refuse, still not a shred of evidence was published here. And I can tell you, I paid a lot for the tickets.

    It's simply a public relations disaster.

    Again: This case is a clear breach of their own terms. So with violating their own terms Condor Ding-Dong Gang declares as a result their complete terms void and invalid ... also their existance as a "company".

    Leopold

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    Thanks, Leopold. Good to see that Condor doesn't even care for their own terms. One wonders here what would be a proper definition of a criminal organisation ...

    By the way, on July 27th, Condor also wrote this:
    "At this time the fraud department has cleared payment of the commission. The finance department has not, because they view there is a chargeback risk and the period during which a chargeback can occur has not yet fully elapsed."

    So, it's officially not even fraud suspected anymore - which means all payments will be withhold by Condor for 6 months in future?
    But just with Condor, no other operator in the gaming industry who doesn't want to go out of business, I guess ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk20 View Post
    Thanks, Leopold. Good to see that Condor doesn't even care for their own terms. One wonders here what would be a proper definition of a criminal organisation ...

    By the way, on July 27th, Condor also wrote this:
    "At this time the fraud department has cleared payment of the commission. The finance department has not, because they view there is a chargeback risk and the period during which a chargeback can occur has not yet fully elapsed."

    So, it's officially not even fraud suspected anymore - which means all payments will be withhold by Condor for 6 months in future?
    But just with Condor, no other operator in the gaming industry who doesn't want to go out of business, I guess ...
    They will lose a lot of affiliates in my opinion.
    I have links has remove.

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    Following this for a while now it surprises me that Condor doesn't understand the concept of "forum", "communication" and "partnership".

    But I'm even more surprised that they are really so d̶e̶s̶p̶e̶r̶a̶t̶e̶ greedy for money that even a sledgehammered reputation (which was never reputable anyway), involvement of GPWA as acting Escrow, risk of losing a PSP and over 12K in deposits..., apparently is worth the 4.5K?


    Now I do remember a payment specialist who might be able to solve the case for Condor.... maybe it helps as there was some kind of similar work done in the past by him... and on top of that he has a good position at Condor

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    @affy: Do you maybe know the address of the offices in Malta where Condor operates or do you have an idea how to find out?

    In general, I'm only left with two options at the moment since Condor keeps on refusing to communicate, the most obvious questions just don't get answered. One chasing Condor down legally which would take a while and can still be done after Oct 4th or when they fake a charge-back etc.

    The other option is accepting the escrow and wait two months what's going to happen. Emotionally speaking, I would be inclined to follow the first option, in order to put some revenge on the fact I've been getting nothing more than humiliated and treated like a criminal for the recent 9 weeks by Condor.
    Which I am not, to emphasize this again. I don't know the player, nor am I the player, I'm not in any way involved in the deposit other than having advertised b-bets through my websites and mailers. I didn't realize, I would ever need to go through such a nightmare here, just unbelievable.

    So, putting feelings aside for now, it's certainly the best way to go with the escrow offer by Michael and the GPWA. It was very generous of them intervening in this case, I have to appreciate this a lot. Also the entire community, of course, without you and the publicity created, there wouldn't have been any progress at all - no one can really stop Condor for breaking their own terms and acting this way.

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