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    I wonder if they will allow us all to stop promoting but collect revenue each month, its what I will be doing.

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    I second that, that's what I will be doing as well. I can't see why not. Unless the "force" us to promote them then it becomes a rogue program.
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    Thank you for your patience during this challenging period.
    Thank you for spend 30 seconds for this post after 1 month of total silence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGPICKS View Post
    I wonder if they will allow us all to stop promoting but collect revenue each month, its what I will be doing.
    There's a continuing promotion clause in the T+Cs.
    i.e. you are tied in to constantly try and make efforts to promote the brand.
    So I'm guessing no, they won't allow people to just sit back and collect money on their old signups.
    It's jump through hoops time lads (and ladies?).
    It's ridiculous, but I guess we have to try and play the game for now and see what transpires.

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    A long time ago Interflora tried to impose a ban on UK affiliates mentioning Interflora when doing copy about their products and services. This falls into the same category of insane marketing ideas.

    Not permitting affiliates to post factual information or screenshots is absurd. If the Bet365 channel homes are compliant then a screenshot of it will be equally compliant. Posting facts about history, software, etc isn't the problem so why disallow it.

    You can't mention promotions????? Come on - where's the common sense in this?

    Basically it's use a banner or put inanity like "site has bingo promotion - can't put more than that - not allowed"... although that's fact so probably not permitted. So that leaves banner advertising or use their copy ... and that really works out well.

    I fully get compliance but some of these requests are over the top and derived by people who don't understand affiliates or don't want them.

    Perhaps it might have been prudent of Bet365 to get some sports/casino/bingo affiliates round a table before releasing this email?

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    I think the CEO of Skybet has a lot to answer for.
    Powerful and influential man within the betting industry - has it in for affiliates = other companies seem to be following suit.

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    So here I am sitting in front of the desktop and wondering how to substitute the screenshots of Bet365 with banner which is not the same size like the screenshots of the other bookmakers. Essentially all of my sites use screenshots, a lot of work has opened up, no other affiliate company wants something like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Skywalker View Post
    So here I am sitting in front of the desktop and wondering how to substitute the screenshots of Bet365 with banner which is not the same size like the screenshots of the other bookmakers. Essentially all of my sites use screenshots, a lot of work has opened up, no other affiliate company wants something like this.
    Yep and to my knowledge it has nothing to do with compliance with advertising standards.
    It has to do with bet365 coming down heavy on affiliates.
    A screenshot is a perfectly acceptable piece of information to provide to a potential user who might want to sign up to a new bookie. It is helpful and useful in many different contexts and situations.

    This totally lacks any logic, which is why I can only see it as having affiliate-crushing intentions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacingJim View Post
    This totally lacks any logic, which is why I can only see it as having affiliate-crushing intentions.
    They have no crush on you the affiliate, they want a divorce IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApostaGanha View Post
    my good want do they want more?!
    Get rid of a part of their affiliates, it seems. It's obvious they cannot handle this or are not interested in handling this.

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    Total and utter nonsense from Bet365.

    He's our draft review based on their T&Cs;

    "Bet365 offer Bingo. they have some promotions (but we cant tell you what they are). The site looks nice (but we cant show you what it looks like). Please click here"


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    I wrote my reviews like this

    Quote Originally Posted by whichbingo View Post
    Total and utter nonsense from Bet365.

    He's our draft review based on their T&Cs;

    "Bet365 offer Bingo. they have some promotions (but we cant tell you what they are). The site looks nice (but we cant show you what it looks like). Please click here"

    There are many gambling sites, but my favorite one is the betting forum

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    Bet365 offer Bingo. they have some promotions (but we cant tell you what they are). The site looks nice (but we cant show you what it looks like). Please click here
    Sorry, but this won't be compliant.. you are stating they have bingo and promotions - these are facts and facts are not permitted.

    I suggest "the site looks nice" is perhaps a better alternative

    Maybe you could do one of your video guides but bleep out everything that's fact

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    Hi all,

    Reading this thread (well, some of it), I thought it might help to provide a bit of background on what is happening here in the UK as at the moment. I am embroiled in compliance up to my elbows and have learned a lot recently. Hopefully the following might help explain the seriousness of the situation, what you are seeing and what you are going to see more of soon. To the best of my knowledge, this is where things stand right now:

    The UKGC is having a crackdown and they have given operators until March 2018 to get compliant. They have issued a couple of warning shots across the bows by way of fairly chunky fines to operators already and they have also announced what they expect operators to achieve in that time. The main problem is that while some of it is very clear, other elements are open to interpretation. Perhaps deliberately.

    There was a very real feeling among the operators at Sigma that someone is going to be made an example of and that is most likely to be a "Tier 1" operator. That could mean someone losing their licence. If the Tier 1 operators get clean, then it could get passed down and the Tier 1 operators I spoke to are adamant they are going to get compliant at whatever the cost.

    Given a choice, no-one really wants to be dealing with this now but it can't be avoided and it's fair to say that compliance and player protection is generally regarded as a good thing for the industry as a whole. The problem is, without 100% clear guidelines as to what "compliant" means, many operators are not going to take a risk guessing. They feel that a risk-free approach, with some even shutting down everything and starting over, is far better than losing their licence. If the latter was to happen, it would be the end of the affiliate program. In fact, it would probably be the end of many, many affiliate programs because once everyone sees what can happen, more are going to see the risk as too great.

    Operators badly need affiliates to engage in the process and understand what they need to do but if the operators can't see what they need to do, how can affiliates? Therefore, affiliates are receiving mixed messages and deciding not to engage and that exacerbates the issue because the operators are going to want affiliates to take some responsibility if they screw up. The black-hat/grey affiliates are the biggest issue to the industry as a whole: the legit ones and those who have built relationships with operators will benefit from the trust that is going to become more important as time goes by but even then, I strongly suspect that they will have to accept some responsibility. In essence, operators need to trust their affiliates going forward.

    From March, all it might take is for one bad affiliate to get an operator reported and the industry as a whole - including affiliates - could be in real trouble.

    One final note: I personally think it is only a matter of time before affiliates become regulated. I also think this will not just restrict itself to the UK and in the months and years to come, it will provide a template for other jurisdictions. What I am sure of is that Bet365 is just the tip of the iceberg and unless affiliates start to understand and engage (positively!!) in the compliance process, they will need to concentrate on other markets.

    PS. Here is the speech made last week that gives you more info on what the UKGC is after:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...and-next-steps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simmo! View Post
    Hi all,

    Reading this thread (well, some of it), I thought it might help to provide a bit of background on what is happening here in the UK as at the moment. I am embroiled in compliance up to my elbows and have learned a lot recently. Hopefully the following might help explain the seriousness of the situation, what you are seeing and what you are going to see more of soon. To the best of my knowledge, this is where things stand right now:

    The UKGC is having a crackdown and they have given operators until March 2018 to get compliant. They have issued a couple of warning shots across the bows by way of fairly chunky fines to operators already and they have also announced what they expect operators to achieve in that time. The main problem is that while some of it is very clear, other elements are open to interpretation. Perhaps deliberately.

    There was a very real feeling among the operators at Sigma that someone is going to be made an example of and that is most likely to be a "Tier 1" operator. That could mean someone losing their licence. If the Tier 1 operators get clean, then it could get passed down and the Tier 1 operators I spoke to are adamant they are going to get compliant at whatever the cost.

    Given a choice, no-one really wants to be dealing with this now but it can't be avoided and it's fair to say that compliance and player protection is generally regarded as a good thing for the industry as a whole. The problem is, without 100% clear guidelines as to what "compliant" means, many operators are not going to take a risk guessing. They feel that a risk-free approach, with some even shutting down everything and starting over, is far better than losing their licence. If the latter was to happen, it would be the end of the affiliate program. In fact, it would probably be the end of many, many affiliate programs because once everyone sees what can happen, more are going to see the risk as too great.

    Operators badly need affiliates to engage in the process and understand what they need to do but if the operators can't see what they need to do, how can affiliates? Therefore, affiliates are receiving mixed messages and deciding not to engage and that exacerbates the issue because the operators are going to want affiliates to take some responsibility if they screw up. The black-hat/grey affiliates are the biggest issue to the industry as a whole: the legit ones and those who have built relationships with operators will benefit from the trust that is going to become more important as time goes by but even then, I strongly suspect that they will have to accept some responsibility. In essence, operators need to trust their affiliates going forward.

    From March, all it might take is for one bad affiliate to get an operator reported and the industry as a whole - including affiliates - could be in real trouble.

    One final note: I personally think it is only a matter of time before affiliates become regulated. I also think this will not just restrict itself to the UK and in the months and years to come, it will provide a template for other jurisdictions. What I am sure of is that Bet365 is just the tip of the iceberg and unless affiliates start to understand and engage (positively!!) in the compliance process, they will need to concentrate on other markets.

    PS. Here is the speech made last week that gives you more info on what the UKGC is after:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...and-next-steps
    I think you make a very sensible point, can't help but think that Bet365 are going over the top now with the compliance. As mentioned in this thread in regards to reviews, screenshots etc.

    I'd imagine once things become more clear a lot of these restrictions will be loosened and things will improve. Just a case of being paitent, I'm wouldnt be surprised if most of the other operators will use what Bet365 are doing as an example and follow suit on the coming months too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whichbingo View Post
    Total and utter nonsense from Bet365.

    He's our draft review based on their T&Cs;

    "Bet365 offer Bingo. they have some promotions (but we cant tell you what they are). The site looks nice (but we cant show you what it looks like). Please click here"

    You are NOT joking ... here is our NEW BET365 sportsbook review ...
    http://www.goonersguide.com/bookrev_bet365.html

    Its pathetic ... not surprisingly ... our depositing signups to bet365 in November are ... ZERO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simmo! View Post
    PS. Here is the speech made last week that gives you more info on what the UKGC is after:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...and-next-steps

    Thanks Simmo! I said this many times before, and say this again. These bureaucrats, following a policy of excessive regulation and high taxes, will achieve only one. They get a huge black unregulated market. This is especially true in the era of crypto-currency.


    As an example. I'm not an expert in sports betting. But I know, at present time, for VIP sports bettors it is unprofitable to make sports bets via bookmakers with English and European licenses. Pinnacle and Asian bookmakers provide the best service and odds. And the system of agents helps to circumvent geographic restrictions. Because they are exempt from high taxes and excessive regulation.




    But I understand the UKGC logic. These idlers must justify their existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simmo! View Post
    Hi all,

    Reading this thread (well, some of it), I thought it might help to provide a bit of background on what is happening here in the UK as at the moment. I am embroiled in compliance up to my elbows and have learned a lot recently. Hopefully the following might help explain the seriousness of the situation, what you are seeing and what you are going to see more of soon. To the best of my knowledge, this is where things stand right now:

    The UKGC is having a crackdown and they have given operators until March 2018 to get compliant. They have issued a couple of warning shots across the bows by way of fairly chunky fines to operators already and they have also announced what they expect operators to achieve in that time. The main problem is that while some of it is very clear, other elements are open to interpretation. Perhaps deliberately.

    There was a very real feeling among the operators at Sigma that someone is going to be made an example of and that is most likely to be a "Tier 1" operator. That could mean someone losing their licence. If the Tier 1 operators get clean, then it could get passed down and the Tier 1 operators I spoke to are adamant they are going to get compliant at whatever the cost.

    Given a choice, no-one really wants to be dealing with this now but it can't be avoided and it's fair to say that compliance and player protection is generally regarded as a good thing for the industry as a whole. The problem is, without 100% clear guidelines as to what "compliant" means, many operators are not going to take a risk guessing. They feel that a risk-free approach, with some even shutting down everything and starting over, is far better than losing their licence. If the latter was to happen, it would be the end of the affiliate program. In fact, it would probably be the end of many, many affiliate programs because once everyone sees what can happen, more are going to see the risk as too great.

    Operators badly need affiliates to engage in the process and understand what they need to do but if the operators can't see what they need to do, how can affiliates? Therefore, affiliates are receiving mixed messages and deciding not to engage and that exacerbates the issue because the operators are going to want affiliates to take some responsibility if they screw up. The black-hat/grey affiliates are the biggest issue to the industry as a whole: the legit ones and those who have built relationships with operators will benefit from the trust that is going to become more important as time goes by but even then, I strongly suspect that they will have to accept some responsibility. In essence, operators need to trust their affiliates going forward.

    From March, all it might take is for one bad affiliate to get an operator reported and the industry as a whole - including affiliates - could be in real trouble.

    One final note: I personally think it is only a matter of time before affiliates become regulated. I also think this will not just restrict itself to the UK and in the months and years to come, it will provide a template for other jurisdictions. What I am sure of is that Bet365 is just the tip of the iceberg and unless affiliates start to understand and engage (positively!!) in the compliance process, they will need to concentrate on other markets.

    PS. Here is the speech made last week that gives you more info on what the UKGC is after:
    It would probably be better to up sticks and base in a different country. The these new rules couldn't say a word about social media promotions because they wouldn't be able to police a foreign country.

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    The commissions have gone downhill for me. With combination with Skybet's closure and ha, I'm on the unemployment line. After 8.5 years, I can't believe this it how it all ends. It's even worse that running a gambling affiliate website as part of your portfolio seems to be lower than selling drugs these days.
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