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    Default New Jersey Regulators Going After "Bad Actors" = Bovada

    Well. It begins.
    The chain of events is predicable.

    "Regulators in New Jersey want to crack down on illegal gambling sites operating offshore.Speaking with Gambling Compliance (paywall) this week, David Rebuck said that those involved in illegal operations will be denied licensure and driven out of the state.
    Rebuck is the director of the NJ Division of Gaming Enforcement, which has regulated NJ online gambling since 2013. His gripe with offshore sites dates back to the start, but his comments are fresh again under the context of legal https://www.legalsportsreport.com/nj/."


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    It will be interesting to see how this will play out.

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    Meanwhile on the Bovada website:

    2.3. Use of the website and associated services are expressly prohibited from the following states: DE, MD, NY, NJ, NV. Any account accessed from a restricted state will have all access rights revoked and any balance contained in the account may be considered void. You are required to notify us immediately should you intend to relocate to or visit a restricted state, your account will then be placed on a temporary hold or permanently closed dependant on the circumstance with any balance available being returned to you. Any attempt on your part to circumvent these restrictions by any means will result in your accounts closure and any balance considered forfeit.
    It has been that way for several years. Do these guys in the NJ DGE even know what they are talking about?

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    NJ is and has been banned by most of the top books since as long as I can remember,


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    Bovada does not operate in NJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetbet View Post
    It will be interesting to see how this will play out.
    Very interesting !

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    This in fact dates back to 2013, so it's nothing really new and it's still going on... All in all, I also can't wait to see the final outcome.

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    Hi,

    Sorry I haven't posted on the Bovada part sooner. This has nothing to do with Bovada. That Bovada was mentioned just shows how little research was actually done by the regulators. This is all being driven by US based corporate gaming. They are going to tell every state that legalizes sports betting that offshore sportsbooks are stealing tax money from them.

    This is about US gaming corps making politcal contributions to "knee cap" offshore gambling sites and legislators having a scapegoat if the tax revenues that were promised do not materialize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by econfox View Post
    This is about US gaming corps making politcal contributions to "knee cap" offshore gambling sites and legislators having a scapegoat if the tax revenues that were promised do not materialize.

    Now that is a reasonable conclusion to draw. The corporate entities will definitely throw around slush money in an attempt to shut out the offshore sites. Of course they can hurt their business. Pushing them out completely would be quite difficult however.

    It would have to be IP/domain bans because they already use crypto-currency more and more to circumvent any potential laws that might apply to them with regard to the regulation of USD. Hell, even IP/domain bans don't work. It can easily become a game of cat and mouse with redirects galore as seen in other markets like Asia and LATAM.

    Now, once enough states get going with regulation, and they apply pressure, it would obviously screw with offshore sites. I still say that is 10+ years away.


    Oh and FYI, your source is Catena Media. So of course they are anti-offshore / pro-regulation.
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    I am learning so much about power. Now one EU operator, which wants to go to USA and who I will never promote there, asked me to remove bovada and 5dimes or I can not promote them even on nonUS markets.

    That is quite a gamechanger that those US ***** can force me who I will promote in Ukraine, Venezuela, Yemen or North Korea.

    They saw that everyone will tell them to fo in the USA, but they came with this sneaky tactic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    I am learning so much about power. Now one EU operator, which wants to go to USA and who I will never promote there, asked me to remove bovada and 5dimes or I can not promote them even on nonUS markets.

    That is quite a gamechanger that those US ***** can force me who I will promote in Ukraine, Venezuela, Yemen or North Korea.

    They saw that everyone will tell them to fo in the USA, but they came with this sneaky tactic.
    I was asked this from 888.

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    PokerStars contacted us a few months ago and told us to take down our advertising of offshore brands or they would close our account. We laughed pretty hard at that.

    For those of you who don't know the poker side too well, PokerStars retroactively changed their contracts a few years ago and discontinued life-time affiliate revenue even for existing players. They now pay for a short, maybe 2 year period, don't communicate worth a damn with affiliates, etc.

    For a company with these morals and ****** pay scale to try to strong arm us into getting rid of operators who treat us, and pay us well, is quite comical.

    Dear PokerStars,

    Our goal is to take as much market share from you as possible. Ever since you were "sold"/taken away from the Scheinbergs your company has done nothing but stolen from players and affiliates alike. I can't wait to short your stock when the next financial crisis takes root.

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    I will stick with US illegal programs as well. They recently pay me more than sum of EU programs and expected longevity is also higher because they play fair. Also I can promote 1xbet along with them in ROW.

    But I am not laughing that much. This is crazy.
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    Same thing happened with GVC recently. They advised all affiliates to comply with NJ legislation and to stop promoting brands that do not operate legally there. What's your take on this? How can you tackle that as an affiliate? Do you just not show anything related to non-NJ licensed casinos on the site and only let people interested into US casinos come into your site organically? Or do you take down brands operating in the US altogether?

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    I am still negotiating with them. I am curious if their focus is just a particular state or US as general. After all all US offshore bookies have some licence. This way I am not allowed to promote CR book in CR if I want to promote another book in Europe. I am really curious what would EU court say to that especially after the EU book shows me door because I do not deliver enough players.
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    They are ok to remove NJ and NV, but it has to be done overnight.
    This is why you need advanced geotargetting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    I will stick with US illegal programs as well. They recently pay me more than sum of EU programs and expected longevity is also higher because they play fair.
    Regulation? It's much easier and pleasant to make money with other, safe operators. My sites. My rules.

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    I understand if a offshore company wants to be part of the US market so they do not want ads showing in NJ or NV. What I don't like is the double standard. When I applied to a legal NJ operator to be an affiliate. I was told no because I had offshore ads on my site. I pointed out that so did Oddsshark. This was at the beginning of the NFL season. The response was a snotty email telling me that I should basically be honored that they would even consider me and I received a link to the T&C. No mention of Oddsshark or Rotogrinders which was advertising DFS & sports betting at the same time.

    Rotogrinders had ads for DFS showing up in Nevada where I live but it is banned. If I clicked on the ad I was just told they didn't accept people from Nevada. Why not the same standard for offshore books?

    Of course NJ waited till after the Super Bowl to call out Oddsshark and they still haven't said anything about Rotogrinders using their platform to promote sites that have offshore links on them.

    I am wiling to have US only websites up but just make the same standard for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by econfox View Post
    Of course NJ waited till after the Super Bowl to call out Oddsshark
    It's all about the money. I didn't realize just how big Oddshark was until I got to meet their team last summer (great guys, had a blast, hope to see you guys this year!). I suspect they have the volume power to get little things overlooked here and there to their benefit... that's just how the game is played.

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