guys is it worth it promoting paddy power?
what are their pros and cons?
i heard they dont have crossover commissions
guys is it worth it promoting paddy power?
what are their pros and cons?
i heard they dont have crossover commissions
cons: Default deal has no crossover, default deal has session cookie (ie: your referred player is not tracked unless he joins in that browser session. other firms are generally around 30-day cookie).
pros: default deal has no negative rollover, might be able to negotiate out of the cons in the default deal at some stage, they have one good AM (Luke) who is helpful and responsive (if he leaves this may become an issue), seem to convert well, keep the players happier than a lot of other firms, payments reliable and accurate, netrefer software one of the best systems.
michalakis (4 February 2014), spin4profit (5 February 2014)
thanks bookies, might give them a shot
Pros: None
Cons: No cross promoted revenue share in spite of PP's very aggressive upselling, they operate at least 2 Australian books that stop paying you on your players if you don't keep sending new business and overall they are just incredibly brutal for smaller affiliates to work with as there are umpteen better options out there with equal if not better products.
Not just with the smallest affiliates. I ran into problems when my referrals dropped to 12 last August (after months of sending a lot more). It also coincided with a big month for revenue share. In all honesty they have been fine before and since, but one issue with them like that really highlights how they just don't always get it. Luke is excellent for PP, but his good work on the PR front and helping out (and he has helped me out a few times, so credit there) just hides a negative attitude by the rest of the company in general towards affiliates.
can i maybe get his contact details? i would like to promote paddy power
Luke is lovely. Doesn't take away the fact he works for a firm who are known to be very poor for affiliates.
Bet365, BetVictor, Comeon, Betsson, Coral, Betfred and a host of others are all infinitely superior, all have great AMs, all offer full rev share on all products and are open to negotiation.
What bookies do you currently promote? Why would you choose PP over a bookie that will pay you on casino, sports and bingo losses as well as poker rake? In case you didn't know if you send PP a player who rakes $5 playing poker via your poker link and loses 100k in the casino, you will get rev share on $5 only.
justbookies (11 February 2014)
How many sites are you promoting at the moment? I can name 10 without even looking that offer rev share on all products. Promoting PP is like agreeing to a pay cut on your first day in a new job. Madness.
justbookies (11 February 2014)
Hi michaelakis - I'm available at luke.cotton@paddypower.com
Thanks for the kind comments!
Hi Luke,
Good to see you are monitoring these threads. Can you give us some input on why PP insists on being so unfriendly to affiliates, why they have extremely shady terms on a number of their brands and why they don't offer cross promoted rev share for affiliates? Which part of PP decides on all these matters and what action are PP's affiliate managers taking to try and have this changed?
Thanks for your input.
Hi Jokerman99, Sportsbet and their affiliate programme is run as a completely separate business to Paddy Power (despite being owned by PP) so I have no knowledge of their affiliate business and terms. I'm afraid I don't feel there's any benefit to answering your other questions in this instance as I cannot provide any answer that will persuade you to work with us if you don't agree with our T&Cs.
I think there's value in addressing this :
I'm personally interested in understanding why the company takes the line it takes on this issue (we do promote PP, for what its worth). I'm sure others are interested in the thought process as well."why they don't offer cross promoted rev share for affiliates? Which part of PP decides on all these matters and what action are PP's affiliate managers taking to try and have this changed?"
As the T&Cs were decided a long time before I joined the company, and as they aren't something that I am responsible for, I wouldn't be able to give a complete answer. At the end of the day - they are the terms - and even if I was able to share completely logical reasons from Paddy Power's standpoint, the reasons don't have any impact on affiliates' earnings which is the only important point here.
When the questions are potentially commercially sensitive or are about the inner workings of our company - yes - this is a public forum. Otherwise, I think if you look at other threads on the forum, you will see that's not why I'm here at all.
Sorry Luke,
But the fact that cross promotion of products is NOT offered and the cookies are session cookies certainly does affect affiliate earnings.
Rick
Universal4
-Shay- (12 February 2014), Jokerman99 (11 February 2014), PaaskeUK (11 February 2014)
Luke, nothing personal because you have been great (not 'lovely' but great), but what you are saying is that you can not defend the terms. To be honest, that is my view too, that your default terms are indefensible. You are very intelligent and talented. There comes a point where you stop towing an indefensible line and you persuade from within that Paddy Power would make more money with competitive terms (which they surely would). I feel guilty because there is a risk here of ganging up on you and you don't deserve that, especially as you don't ever shy away from a response. But Paddy Power (not you, who defends their crappy terms to the death) needs to wake up and smell the coffee. It seems there is a very influential view within Paddy Power that affiliates do it on our terms or no terms. For a company that appears to embrace all other forms of marketing, they are apparently clueless when it comes to the most cost effective of the lot - affiliate marketing.
-Shay- (12 February 2014)