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    Interesting thread on everyone's comments. Personally prefer rev share. Have had some CPA deals recently then our accounts were terminated or quickly changed over. Don't really trust CPA deals and as mentioned above if you get a high roller you would regret your $100 CPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    I lack half of those things yet...

    I would take a chance at 20k a month every, ****ing, time.

    Expected value is a poker / gambling concept that works just as well in the affiliate game.

    Taking CPA is like selling half or more of your equity because you are afraid of the river card!

    Money management is a real world skill. Tighten your belt, push the numbers until you make 20k+ a month, then stop worrying about fluctuating revenues and enjoyyyy the business you are in!

    I cannot imagine selling a banner to a gambling site for a year and just... coasting, not knowing how many multiples of revenue I just wasted on the "safe" play.

    To each their own, but this is the GAMBLING industry, not great-grandmother's-great-depression-panic-fest-omg-can-we-eat??

    THIS is my entire point (and Sherlock's below).

    Use your knowledge of the industry to select good partners and then GO FULL STEAM AHEAD on revenue share knowing that you made great choices and have a big edge and a great chance to make the big bucks.
    Haha yeah, well on most parts we are indeed on the same line. I understand that this is the gambling industry..i guess im just not there yet that i can really push it next level.. meaning that as i havent reached the point that i have the luxury to survive with zero income for a long period, my goal still is to create enough buffer to reach that point.

    from that view im more focussed on split deals, so half to cover my costs and half to work with revshare/cpa/hybrid or whatever, to see what works best with which partner. But ok, who knows i totally see things differently later on when all is more stable on my side. And i dont want to be too carefull, but have been ****** so many times that its getting harder and harder to build trust hehe, so im always tempted to grab money while i can than to hope for.... but ok, as said,perhaps i change my mind when im more free financially..

    and haha thanks, will look at the link, but im not that into poker...well i do play it often, but dont have sites with that content.
    Life is a gamble

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    No CPAs now, or ever.

    If you do not trust the program enough to go on long-term rev-share, you are working with the wrong partners in my opinion.

    If you can not float the costs of your business and need money up front to continue your business, you are spending money in the wrong way and not saving it properly IMO.

    If your business model needs month to month stability at the expense of long-term profitability, you are doing it wrong.

    Screw CPA.
    Couldn't agree more! Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post

    TBH I have met (only) one guy who made substantial money, I guess north of 1M/year with CPA. He did not do PPC. There was no reason why he could not make much more. He just had the nature that he did not like to be scammed.
    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. He was literally paying millions just for his good feeling.
    Can you PM me his contact info?

    I'll give him a 20% raise to his CPAs to buy all his traffic on rev-share!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jambo View Post
    The chance that you have negative revenue is very low if you promote Poker. Of course for Casino/Sports it looks a bit other. Maybe it makes more sense for some casino/sports affiliates to work with CPA
    Get more customers. That equates to less variance.

    Problem solved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vargoso View Post
    You are mostly right, but recall that getting recreational players to poker tables is not easy
    It isn't easy?

    Oh.

    My bad.

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    It's a two-way thing isn't it? Trust between affiliates and gaming operators as taken a big knock. Many of the affiliates are simply trying to screw the operator, and vice versa!

    With regards to other options:

    PPC (even google) is also easy to manipulate, so that doesn't work.
    Guest post revenue with link is worth peanuts.
    Forced pushdowns/layers/Expandables are annoying for site visitors!

    In my opinion, the only two options are prepaid hybrid deals or Revenue share with proven payers. The latter are becoming less and less, and finding new customers for the better established brands is like fishing in the dead sea!

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    I would rather say, that with my OWN experience 99% of affiliate programs cut traffic to some percentage. Maybe its the problem only in my country, but that's how it is. Hybrid deals are totally fine for me. CPA is also good.

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    CPA is hideous compare to rev share.
    Obviously both CPA and rev share are open to abuse, so CPA is no guarantee of avoiding having your referrals stolen before getting paid on them.
    That is the major flaw with this industry, however you are paid - you have to trust the crooks that run the affiliate programs. I promote whoever rips me off the least.
    CPA guarantees you wont get rich. Rev share gives you a chance. If I had only ever got paid CPA, wow, I'd have earned millions less over the last 20 years and it really would have been pointless. Those targeting the U.S. regulated market are embracing sh1te CPA deals.

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    Interestingly just came across exactly what was mentioned the other day. We are with a program and it is set for CPA. Made 100Euro CPA however the rev share would have been significantly higher as the player continues to play. Now need to get this deal changed but the lost rev share is now gone that is associated to that player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tufty View Post
    Those targeting the U.S. regulated market are embracing sh1te CPA deals.
    Yup. It is a travesty really. And many of these people are exceptionally intelligent. I do not see why they are rushing towards it other than the hopes of selling out their sites for millions to big firms flush with dumb money.

    That said, they have given up so much money in the last 7ish years...

    I can't complain, the crumbs left behind are nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    I do not see why they are rushing towards it other than the hopes of selling out their sites for millions to big firms flush with dumb money.
    Yes. That is the only way to make money out of the regulated US and some will.

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    A CPA deal might be good if you're trying to promote a one time event or promotion.

    But if you choose a good program, one that is not going to screw you, then revenue share is definitely the way to go. As long as the player keeps on playing, you're going to continue to get income long after person found you.
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