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    Lou it seems to me that Michael and others on here are prepared to give you a second chance within reason, yes some will attack you and you probably do deserve that but you do have an opportunity here.

    I would advise that you take that second chance and not burn whatever bridges you have left, you know what you need to do, you dont need to be told.

    Raise yourself from the ashes mate and do what you know you must do and you will have a future in this industry, dont do that and even if you and Warren sort yourselves out you still wont survive.

    Grasp it mate, start rebuilding those bridges.

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    This is appalling! Considering many of my business contacts were through the CAP forums, and I was banned specifically by the Professor, I thus lost all of my contacts through CAP, sooo... I have ZERO sympathy and am absolutely, 100% appalled that the Professor has the balls to come here, not admit to any wrong doing, not answer any questions, just say some sad **** and expect us all to just melt.

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    This is appalling! Considering many of my business contacts were through the CAP forums, and I was banned specifically by the Professor, I thus lost all of my contacts through CAP, sooo... I have ZERO sympathy and am absolutely, 100% appalled that the Professor has the balls to come here, not admit to any wrong doing, not answer any questions, just say some sad **** and expect us all to just melt.
    Certainly I can appreciate that you will have no sympathy about Lou being cut off given your personal experience, and my appreciation of that fact is echoed in the polls and other actions I took to help make publicly visible here some of what went on in that area on CAP in an effort to create more accountability on the banning front.

    But given your experience with Lou, and how you feel about it, I'm sure you can also appreciate how Lou feels about Warren Jolly right now. In my opinion it is absolutely fine and completely reasonable for you not to have any sympathy at all given your perspective, but it is also correct to have no tolerance for what Warren is doing now either. So let's not just gloss over that as being acceptable under the circumstances either.

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    Andres, you have a point, and I absolutely know what you are talking about from personal experience!

    But Michael is right. Two wrongs don't make a right. Let's take the high road and pull the affiliate community forward into a brighter future by our example.
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    I am personally requesting that all programs and all affiliates boycott CAP and the events until the Professor is returned to CAP.
    Where have I seen this before? Oh yes, when you requested the same against GPWA and APCW, calling them some of the most vile and wretched people on the planet, comparing them to Hitler, etc.

    Oh the irony of it all

    A note to Programs. As outlined in my letter that was deleted at CAP, I was opposed to the rediculous and predatory pricing that Warren was charging for certification. Every rate increase caused more and more built up animosity towards CAP and I told him it was bad business.

    He verbally agreed on numerous occasions to my request to limit certification price increases to no more than 20% per year and I advocated a discount off the increase based on the number of years a program had been with us. He always agreed with that when I was in California and then went right ahead with the increases he thought clients would bear when I returned home to Florida. If I can regain control of the company I founded I WILL reduce certification fees significantly and will bring them inline with what is fair and what supports technology growth and innovations at CAP. With Jolly at the helm and effectively blinding me and silencing me you can expect even worse abuses of position then you have seen up to now.

    Please help me bring CAP back to what it was before the last two years behavior orchestrated by Warren.
    Interesting that you didn't have any problem cashing those fat checks month after month. But now that you're ousted suddenly you actually care about doing what's right?

    You still haven't acknowledged the harm YOU were personally aware of, responsible for or complacent in. All you do is cry about how YOU are the victim, refusing to accept responsibility for your part in this fiasco.

    You also have a history of blowing situations way out of proportion. You were ousted from CAP because you only control 40%. It wouldn't make much sense for them to allow you to continue using emails attached to the company, would it?

    I'm assuming the emails you're complaining about are tied in with the domains/companies and not your actual personal emails (i.e. yahoo, hotmail, etc)

    And I think you make yourself look out of touch with reality when you start saying that your inability to access a company email account is one of the worst things that can be done to someone.

    But given that you seem to lack perspective or remorse, it doesn't surprise me how you're acting out here.
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    What "wrong" are you talking about GamTrak / Fergie / Michael (et al)?

    Lou has only 40% of the shares at CAP - which means that although he is the biggest shareholder (apparently) he does not by himself hold a controlling interest in the CAP. The other two parties own 60% and they do have a right to control the assets - if they are in agreemment.

    So let's be clear ... the calculation CAP = Lou or Lou = CAP is not accurate. It may have been once - but it is not any more. He's a big part, and wild and emotional part - but only a part.

    Lou has been on a destructive bent for the last month, posting weird, emotional diatribe on the CAP forum, usually involving some sort of health problem, family torment, or whatever emotional fiction that can be created in order to demonise the actions of any one who posts information that Lou did not want to discuss.

    Medical emergencies would seem to be better mobile phone based, and friends could still call you at home - couldn't they?

    This behaviour started with the GPWA videos when a business address was published (an example of business assets for personal use?) and continues each and every time something untoward is exposed. It's obvious, it's simplistic and it's completely transparent. Playground tactics.

    Whatever brand value AMG and CAP have is being consistantly lowered by Lou's tirades - and attempts to get sympathy for a situation that is in large part due to his outlandish behaviour are misplaced.


    The latest rant by Lou against business partners on the CAP forum which culminated in admitting that your previous statements for 3 months had been lies, admitting that you knew all about CardSpike, and an accusation of your partners stealing $2m would certainly be enough for ANY company to remove an employee from corporate communications.

    Seeing how Lou is reacting in public, I can only imagine what frenzied emails have been sent in private, and will continue to be sent and what additional damage that could do to the online gaming business. Suspension of access to CAP branded facilities seems appropriate.

    Whether Lou will reach agreement with your partners, and subsequently continue on in some sort of role at CAP, or spend 3 years in legal arguements and suits where only the lawyers win is a moot point. And not anything that ANY of US can talk about - we don't know the contractual details.

    But, in any corporate world that I've been in, the actions that Lou has undertaken in the last 2 months would certainly be grounds for suspension and investigation / councilling, and probably a subsequent dismissal would be justified.

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    So regarding the gist of this complaint about email access - if lou has been using company emails and property for personal communications then that's an error.

    If I had a forum member, administrator, or partner content provider going "off the deep end" like this and I'd decided that it had to end then I would suspend all access including domained email too. I don't see an outrage, an electronic atrocity or anything sinister or untoward in that move.

    Most people have a personal gmail or a personal ISP provided account for their private email purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    What "wrong" are you talking about Fergie?

    Lou has only 40% of the shares at CAP - which means that although he is the biggest shareholder (apparently) he does not by himself hold a controlling interest in the CAP. The other two parties own 60% and they do have a right to control the assets - if they are in agreemment.

    So let's be clear ... the calculation CAP = Lou or Lou = CAP is not accurate. It may have been once - but it is not any more. He's a big part, and wild and emotional part - but only a part.

    Lou has been on a destructive bent for the last month, posting weird, emotional diatribe on the CAP forum, usually involving some sort of health problem, family torment, or whatever emotional fiction that can be created in order to demonise the actions of any one who posts information that Lou did not want to discuss.

    Medical emergencies would seem to be better mobile phone based, and friends could still call you at home - couldn't they?

    This behaviour started with the GPWA videos when a business address was published (an example of business assets for personal use?) and continues each and every time something untoward is exposed. It's obvious, it's simplistic and it's completely transparent. Playground tactics.

    Whatever brand value AMG and CAP have is being consistantly lowered by Lou's tirades - and attempts to get sympathy for a situation that is in large part due to his outlandish behaviour are misplaced.


    The latest rant by Lou against business partners on the CAP forum which culminated in admitting that your previous statements for 3 months had been lies, admitting that you knew all about CardSpike, and an accusation of your partners stealing $2m would certainly be enough for ANY company to remove an employee from corporate communications.

    Seeing how Lou is reacting in public, I can only imagine what frenzied emails have been sent in private, and will continue to be sent and what additional damage that could do to the online gaming business. Suspension of access to CAP branded facilities seems appropriate.

    Whether Lou will reach agreement with your partners, and subsequently continue on in some sort of role at CAP, or spend 3 years in legal arguements and suits where only the lawyers win is a moot point. And not anything that ANY of US can talk about - we don't know the contractual details.

    But, in any corporate world that I've been in, the actions that Lou has undertaken in the last 2 months would certainly be grounds for suspension and investigation / councilling, and probably a subsequent dismissal would be justified.

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    So regarding the gist of this complaint about email access - if lou has been using company emails and property for personal communications then that's an error.

    If I had a forum member, administrator, or partner content provider going "off the deep end" like this and I'd decided that it had to end then I would suspend all access including domained email too. I don't see an outrage, an electronic atrocity or anything sinister or untoward in that move.

    Most people have a personal gmail or a personal ISP provided account for their private email purposes.
    Interesting perspective and one with many valid points.

    An excellent post that is indeed hard to disagree with.

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    Not sure how business is run in New Zealand and dont get me wrong it appears to a beautiful place to live, but from my understanding and experience it's not right for someone to liquidate a bank account, restrict all access to business activities, cancel all forms of communication, and who knows what else. If you need to remove someone from a business environment this is not the proper way of doing it. Especially not the founder and part owner. And especially not stealing money.

    That being said... Louis, I think it would go a long way in making amends and winning people over if you could write a long letter explaining what's happened over the past year, your thought process, why affiliates have not been paid (if you feel this was out of your hands you could even explain this) basically give us some information and I am sure it will go a long way. I know some people will attack you regardless of what you post. At this point you don't have much to lose. I know this is probably tough since lawyers are probably advising the opposite if that's the case then try to give us something even if its small.

    Also, you were also talking about doing youtube videos a while back maybe you could also use this means of communication. Some apologies would also go a long way.

    I think what's happened to you is horrible, and like someone said two wrongs do not make a right. And in my opinion this is a far greater wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casinoranking View Post
    ... from my understanding and experience it's not right for someone to liquidate a bank account, restrict all access to business activities, cancel all forms of communication, and who knows what else. If you need to remove someone from a business environment this is not the proper way of doing it. Especially not the founder and part owner. And especially not stealing money.
    Hype and emotion in a forum post do not make everything "just so".

    Obviously we cannot discuss the accusation of stealing $2 million seriously, as no of us has any idea of the veracity of that claim. The only person to claim so also said previous that he had nothing to do with EMG, CardSpike and lot of other claims. Err ... Ahem. Right.


    People do get "blackbagged" in business - and the higher up the food chain often the more drastic the severance. We've seen a couple of high profile CEO's in financial circles that have been walked recently - gone in a day.

    Is it drastic? Yes. But given the behaviour of the protagonists - it's probably justified too.

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    Post Back to Business - Statement from Warren

    Lou please address this new statement at CAP that Warren has posted.

    http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...en.34516.html?

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    I logged into CAP and I still can not post. Stilled banned even though Warren claims in the post that is has undone the banns.

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    Following is a copy of the statement made by Warren:

    Quote Originally Posted by WarrenCAP
    Please note that the below statements do not represent anything other than the facts, and/or the opinions of Warren Jolly. They do not represent the opinions of Affiliate Media, CAP, or any of its other shareholders or employees.

    Dear Clients, Business Partners, Colleagues, and Friends,

    Following the recent events and what they are doing to the industry, I felt issuing this statement was necessary, and frankly, a long time coming.

    First, and most importantly, I owe all of you a huge apology.

    I screwed up. There is no excuse for trying to cover up my affiliation with CardSpike, other than I knew there would be a conflict of interest. I realize that I have betrayed your trust, and all that I can ask at this point, is that you give me a chance to rebuild it. Here is the truth, once and for all.

    Last year, Lou and I formed Effective Media Group, or EMG, as a completely separate company from CAP and PAP.

    We did this for two reasons. First, Lou wanted to manage a company from his home base in Florida. A new company would provide the revenue stream necessary to enable that. Lou would have a separate company to grow and develop, while remaining at CAP as community administrator, while I handled the day-to-day business of CAP, PAP, and Affiliate Mediaís other properties from our main headquarters in California.

    Second, Lou and I were approached by a group of investors seeking our help in launching two new online properties: Absolute Slots, an online casino, and Cardspike, an online poker website. We set up EMG as a separate company though which we could offer managed consultancy operations to these clients as well as utilize EMG as a vehicle to launch our own affiliate portals Ė CasinoFan.com being the first Ė since that was our start in this business pre-2000. We did this together, as business partners.

    Late in 2008, Cardspike experienced errors with affiliate tracking. I donít want to minimize the severity of this error; itís an unacceptable oversight that I take very seriously. However, ultimately it was a regrettable but simple technical error involving inaccurate reporting and in no way a deliberate failure on my behalf.

    As someone who began my career as an affiliate, I sincerely hope you trust me when I say that I would never knowingly deny payment to any affiliates.

    I was just notified this morning that affiliate accounts were credited yesterday for commissions up to January 31st, so everything should be up to date. February commissions will be paid next week. There are approximately 6 affiliates who have not yet been paid because they have not responded to emails requesting their Cardspike Player account information. If you are one of those affiliates, please respond to those emails as soon as possible so you can get paid.

    If there are any other affiliates that still have not received payment from Cardspike, please contact tom@cakepokernetwork.net.

    Although I had no ownership interest in Cardspike or Absolute Slots, I did have a beneficial interest due to my involvement with EMG. Again, I sincerely apologize for not coming clean sooner about this. I failed to do so because of the perceived conflict of interest with the CAP and PAP operations, and because Lou and I could not come to an agreement on how to go public with this information.

    Effective immediately, I am resigning from EMG and surrendering my shares in this company. I will have no further connection with EMG, Absolute Slots, Cardspike, or any of the owners or shareholders of these entities.

    Iíd also like to address the larger issue of Louís banning from CAP, and the reasons behind that.

    Over the past weeks, because of certain irrational and potentially dangerous decisions on his part, a rift has developed between my former business partner and me. Several days ago, Lou chose to take these private disagreements into the public arena, by posting harmful allegations and sensitive company information here at CAP and on other public message boards (as well as emailing this information to hundreds of other people).

    I felt that Louís decision to make our business disagreements public was not only unprofessional, but also potentially damaging to CAP and the entire iGaming affiliate community.

    While Lou originally founded CasinoAffiliatePrograms.com, he has since made the decision to share the ownership and business direction of CAP with other parties via a corporate vehicle.

    Lou has recently accused CAP employees of failing to post his CAP TV videos, in which case the accusations were simply incorrect. The truth is, he failed to meet the deadline for content submission, which is the same every week. He has displayed unwarranted hostility towards community members and has even posted forum threads under other usersí names ó even under my own name.

    He has chosen to circulate throughout the iGaming world a letter in which I am accused of illegally channeling Affiliate Media funds into my own personal accounts. This is absolutely untrue. The transactions in question were simply the transferring of company funds from one corporate account to another. This was done in order to limit access to these funds and protect the company and its shareholders from rash and potentially damaging actions (such as posting sensitive financial information on public message boards).

    The following is a statement from Larry Ernst, Affiliate Mediaís Vice President of Finance:

    The WAMU Business Analysis Checking account is used for general business purposes for all divisions of Affiliate Media, Inc.

    Regarding the transactions circled on the WAMU Business Analysis Checking Account Transaction History document, funds were transferred to the WAMU Money Market account ending in 2410 to maximize return on funds since the Business Analysis Checking Account was non-interest bearing.

    The funds withdrawn by the PC Initiated Outgoing Wire on February 20, 2009 were transferred to the Wells Fargo Business Cash Management Account for Affiliate Media, Inc. and subsequently transferred to the Affiliate Media, Inc. Comerica Business Checking account for safekeeping.

    In no event have company funds been comingled with personal funds by any officer of Affiliate Media, Inc.

    I am personally appalled to find the corporate records being posted in account number and transaction level detail and compromising the privacy and integrity of the accounts.


    This kind of irrational and damaging behavior is why Lou has been banned from the CAP Forum. I cannot allow such unprofessional behavior to further jeopardize this company or the interests of its owners, employees, and community members.

    In light of his recent behavior, I strongly feel that Louís exit will only improve the CAP community. Those of you who have been around CAP for a while know that I truly do care about this community, and have been an integral part of its growth. Yes, as a businessman and entrepreneur, I want to see it generate revenue. However, I am not willing to jeopardize my relationships with clients, affiliates, or colleagues to make that happen.

    You will be seeing a lot of positive changes at CAP in the future, including, but not limited to:
    - Changes to CAP Certification
    - Free speech approach allowing members to speak their minds without unjust banning (several were already unbanned at the time of this posting)
    - Termination of hostile CAP efforts, such as the T&C alert monitoring and CAP audits.
    - Evaluating the establishment of an independent ďAdvisory BoardĒ consisting of influential members that will help ensure CAP makes the right decisions in the best interest of all.

    I apologize for the fact that a lot of this has been made public, and in the interests of avoiding such a trend into the future, this will likely be the last public post that I make about this issue. I would like to encourage everyone to get back to business so we can move forward with positive change ahead.

    I welcome your comments, feel free to contact me directly via PM.
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    Just posted this at CasinoMeister, but figured I can put it here too:

    I wonder if people hadn't been complaining publically about this for months, and then finally Lou hadn't gone and let the cat out of the bag officially, if Warren would have initiated these changes for the good of the community?

    Would Warren have just kept the money and continued the coverups, bannings, lies and so forth had things not gone down like this? Is this just a last-ditch effort at damage control and saving their multi-million dollar business?

    You'd think Warren would have done something like this MONTHS AGO, rather than waiting for things to progress to this level of outrageousness.
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    What goes around comes around.....and it all started with the lies and cover ups.

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    Post My CAP Bann has been removed

    Warren has unbann my CAP account for the record. I am not feeling well this evening and going to go lay down. Have a good night every one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pumacat View Post
    Its like you are posting as a third party about yourself .
    He's always been doing it.
    When people talk in third-person, they build an imaginary and idealistic "character" out of themselves, and in turn allows them to posit certain characteristics such as strength, patience, power, among others, to create a perfect figure.
    It's a very useful persuasive tactic when used correctly.
    Stalin used it many times during his regime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain View Post
    Warren has unbann my CAP account for the record. I am not feeling well this evening and going to go lay down. Have a good night every one.
    The ban on JTodd and myself has been lifted as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by APCW Anthony View Post
    The ban on JTodd and myself has been lifted as well.
    Yeah, but after everything that's happened, why would any of you want to give additional traffic or content to CAP?

    It's not like CAP is doing anyone some huge favor by unbanning them, after all that's gone down. I can't wait for JTodds Friday video!
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    My head's spinning and I don't know what to think.
    I'm still banned.
    I don't care, though.
    I don't think Warren's unbanning of people is anything but a PR ploy.
    I don't trust him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain View Post
    Warren has unbann my CAP account for the record. I am not feeling well this evening and going to go lay down. Have a good night every one.
    Feel better Captain. We could all use a rest I'm sure.

    Let us know if you are feeling better.

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