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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime Marin View Post
    seems to me you wan't to represent us as potential scammers who we aren't.
    I can only form my opinions based on what I see and what I read.

    It states at Casino2Sale.com
    "You can regulate the percentage of wins and losses, calibres wins and other." That tells me your casino games can be manipulated (rigged) to either allow players to win or lose...

    At no point have either you or Petr stated Express-merchants.com is owned by FordLex LLP. In fact it's made out like Express-merchants.com is a third (3'rd) party...

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime View Post
    We offer threeside agreement between Affiliate4you.org, affiliates and payment system Express-merchants (Express-merchants.com) which guarantee payouts you earned.
    In actually fact, it's a two sided agreement between the affiliate and Affiliate4you.org because FordLex LLP own Express-merchants.com, Casino2Sale.com and Affiliate4you.org.

    Start digging deeper and start connecting the dots and soon all, is not what it seems.

    Marin...
    It's not my fault if you, Petr or the company(s) you both represent chooses not to disclose the facts and decides to be non-transparent - whilst misleading people with the three sided agreement is just irrasponsible and screams rogue behaviour!

    Add...
    affiliate4you is using practically the same domain name as affiliates4you...A well respected UK affiliate portal.

    Using all these facts, even blind Freddy could see major issues here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post
    I can only form my opinions based on what I see and what I read.
    At no point have either you or Petr stated Express-merchants.com is owned by FordLex LLP. In fact it's made out like Express-merchants.com is a third (3'rd) party...

    In actually fact, it's a two sided agreement between the affiliate and Affiliate4you.org because FordLex LLP own Express-merchants.com, Casino2Sale.com and Affiliate4you.org.

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    affiliate4you is using practically the same domain name as affiliates4you...A well respected UK affiliate portal.

    Dave
    Dave, "affiliate4you is using practically the same domain name as affiliates4you...A well respected UK affiliate portal. "

    Name of our product is casino4you and according to it, our domain is Affiliate4you ,full name of our affiliate program is Lucky Time Casino Affiliates.
    To be honest, I 've never heard for UK affiliate portal affiliate4u.com until someone mentioned it on forum and I assure you we didn't know for this UK portal when we were working on our product. Considering there are millions of websites on the internet, I presume there are some more similiar websites and if they aren't the same why you consider it a problem? According to this, can you tell me what should do owners of european football clubs such as "Dinamo Kiev" "Dinamo Zagreb" or "Dinamo Moscow" and be sure there are few more "Dinamo" in Europe. I really don't consider it a problem and for sure, we didn't copy no one's idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime Marin View Post
    Name of our product is casino4you and according to it, our domain is Affiliate4you ,full name of our affiliate program is Lucky Time Casino Affiliates.To be honest, I 've never heard for UK affiliate portal affiliate4u.com until someone mentioned it on forum and I assure you we didn't know for this UK portal when we were working on our product. Considering there are millions of websites on the internet, I presume there are some more similiar websites and if they aren't the same why you consider it a problem? According to this, can you tell me what should do owners of european football clubs such as "Dinamo Kiev" "Dinamo Zagreb" or "Dinamo Moscow" and be sure there are few more "Dinamo" in Europe. I really don't consider it a problem and for sure, we didn't copy no one's idea.
    You crack me up...Marin, really you do!

    You answer the least of the major issues with a drawn out explaination but fail to answer the most important issues. Those being with Express-merchants.com and them being the so named threeside agreement (3'rd) party. Not to mention even bothing to answer my rigged software question...Yeah your totally above board, about as clear as MUD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime Marin View Post
    we didn't copy no one's idea.
    IMO any company that was seriously entering the gaming market would first research any domain who was using the name they wanted. If it happened that another affiliate program or affiliate based portal was using that domain, they most certainly would pick another domain name. Instead you guys register the .org...

    Beats me why I'd possibly think you were trying to ride the shirt tails of someone elses success.

    Anyway that doesn't really bother me...what does is trying to hoodwink GPWA affiliates into believe Express-Merchants.com was a third (3'rd) party. When in fact FordLex LLP owns it...And of course the casino software that can be rigged to make players win or lose!

    If everything is legit as you claim, you wouldn't play semantics...instead, you reply to the questions with frank, straight and honesty answers.


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    I am not playing anything,I answered you as it really is.
    Fordlex LLP doesn't own Express-Merchants.com, please, don't write something you didn't check. Owww I tried to hoodwink someone? No comment. Express-Merchants.com is 3rd party and if this isn't a guarantee that players will get their money then really don't know what could be.
    Who want to work and to make money with us will be happy cooperating with Affiliate4you.org
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    Marin, you must all think of us as monsters and zombies. The honest programs of the world are laughing at this thread for one reason. They have affiliates like us who show such passion promoting them and they have nothing to worry about. I'm sorry to say but you guys ( affiliates4you.org ) have some very serious issues to work out before you gain the trust of the affiliates here at gpwa. Hope things work out for you.

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    Pumacat, it is perfectly clear to me you are doing your job, but how can someone tell me I am trying sth illegaly.

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    Marin, you must all think of us as monsters and zombies.
    No need for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime Marin View Post
    Fordlex LLP doesn't own Express-Merchants.com
    Domain name: express-merchants.com


    Name servers:
    ns.rusos.net
    ns2.rusos.net

    Registrar: Regtime Ltd.
    Creation date: 2010-04-16
    Expiration date: 2012-04-16

    Registrant:
    Vitaliy Oleniychuk
    Email: 5025575@mail.ru
    Organization: FORDLEX LLP
    Address: Suite 20 196 Rocse Street
    City: EDINBURGH
    State: EDINBURGH
    ZIP: EH24AT
    Country: AI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime Marin View Post
    Express-Merchants.com is 3rd party
    No it is NOT because it is owned by FORDLEX LLP...sheesh!!!

    http://www.facebook.com/expressmerchants?ref=fs < --- Vitaliy Oleniychuk

    And +44.1212885510 is the same phone number used at Casino2Sale...And we all know Fordlex LLP owns that as well as Affiliate4You.org

    I suppose your going to tell me and others you don't own Club-Money.com either:
    http://whois.domaintools.com/club-money.com
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    And still no word from who ever it was that vetoed and approved this program...good one
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    Marin,

    Four pages of rot...If you didn't know just say but providing information that turns out to be false and fabricated ain't the way to enspire affiliates. It certainly does nothing to gain sign-ups least of all get affiliates promoting your casinos.

    Give affiliates bum steers and people are going to ask what's going on.

    I agree with puma, there are some serious issue here which need to be addressed by this company if, they indeed wish to enter the gaming market and build a reputable foundation.


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    Originally Posted by Luckytime Marin
    Fordlex LLP doesn't own Express-Merchants.com
    I'll go with what Dave said and maybe you didn't know.

    It may seem harsh here. It's not easy to see a new program working hard to enter the industry and making a potentially fatal flaw of not being as transparent in their operations as possible. Affiliates here have been burned more than once and the result is that there is a stricter due diligence. If I could give one solid piece of advice to launching new programs it is complete disclosure because I think by now we've seen it all.

    But it may not be too late and as puma said, you have some serious issues to work out.

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    The guys from GPWA who took the Platinum sponsorship dollar have been pretty quiet on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBoyMitchell View Post
    The guys from GPWA who took the Platinum sponsorship dollar have been pretty quiet on this thread.
    That don't surprise me any longer though, I'm sure we will hear from one of them tomorrow when they post another "Important Poll" about whether or not we use a tablet computer or listen to music while we work!

    That always makes it into the weekly newsletter ya know...the really important stuff that is.

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    maybe they have not finished counting their sponsor $$ yet
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    Dear Affiliates

    Excusme please but i write for Russian laungich.

    Дорогие партнеры я не пойму что вы хотите доказать??? Платежная компания пренадлежит Intercash Corp.Если бы было легко сооздать платформу казино а уж тем более платежную систему то их было бы миллионы.На все требуется много сил,времени и денег. Если вы считаете что мы обманываем афилатов то предоставьте факты. Еще раз повторяю что это сугобо ваше не аргументированое мнения не подтвержденное не какими фактами.

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    Marin please translate this post.
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    Anyone here able to translate this for us...I don't want to use Google cause 9 times outa 10 it get is wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post
    Anyone here able to translate this for us...I don't want to use Google cause 9 times outa 10 it get is wrong...

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    When the Marin come to the forum he translate this text.
    I am sorry for Russian text but i not write for english that i whant said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post
    Anyone here able to translate this for us...I don't want to use Google cause 9 times outa 10 it get is wrong...

    Cheers


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    Dave I sent this to a jv partner of mine but it is 1:31 am in yaroslavi Moscow Russia .He is a transplanted American but his girl is born and raised in Russia

    Should get a reply once i wake uo in 14 -15 hours from them !


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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post
    Domain name: express-merchants.com


    Name servers:
    ns.rusos.net
    ns2.rusos.net

    Registrar: Regtime Ltd.
    Creation date: 2010-04-16
    Expiration date: 2012-04-16

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    Email: 5025575@mail.ru
    Organization: FORDLEX LLP
    Address: Suite 20 196 Rocse Street
    City: EDINBURGH
    State: EDINBURGH
    ZIP: EH24AT
    Country: AI
    Phone: +44.1212885510
    Fax: +44.1212885510



    No it is NOT because it is owned by FORDLEX LLP...sheesh!!!

    http://www.facebook.com/expressmerchants?ref=fs < --- Vitaliy Oleniychuk

    And +44.1212885510 is the same phone number used at Casino2Sale...And we all know Fordlex LLP owns that as well as Affiliate4You.org

    I suppose your going to tell me and others you don't own Club-Money.com either:
    http://whois.domaintools.com/club-money.com
    3rd party: Fordlex LLP,Internetcash Corp and Affiliates. (Two legal bodies)
    We respect our partners and we give them the maximum protection by the law.

    Best Regards
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    Hi all,

    If anyone thinks this is off topic, best you return to page one, post one, and read this entire thread again.

    Leaving aside Affiliate4You...because frankly what I have to say concerns the GPWA.

    The words integrity, accountability, trust, respect, due-diligence etc...etc. All of these are thrown around this place like dough round a Pizza Shop. But when it comes to actually actioning these qualities, usually a stark reality and the complete opposite prevails - white noise, semantics and blah.blah.blah.

    Of course some members will happily tell anyone who will listen that, AussieDave and people like him are just high on their own EGO fumes - oh they just like to see their name in lights! But given that most of the knockers don't generally participate in anything but good GPWA vibes - they don't like to rock the boat you see. Or more so, probably don't want to offside themselves with anyone who might give them a leg up, if you get my drift.

    What really chews my goat however are the double standards. That hypocritical mindset which runs deep around these parts. That typical way of thinking only certain people should be held accountable. That really sux in a place like this. Especially as it's supposed to be an association which stands up for all affiliates not just those on the "A" list.

    I myself have been called to count over my own screw ups, and you know what, as much as I diliked it, I desevered it. Anyone who stuffs up here should be held accountable. But again that's not how it goes around these parts. Instead, and reiterating, whilst the "A" list have an almost carte blache` run of the place, those not on that "door list", get pulled up, called to account and even sometime publically humiliated. That's just business as usual at the GPWA for some.

    Granted Michael owns the GPWA as too APCW and others places also. But if no one at the top is prepared to come here and answer why Affiliate4You and their platinum membership was not given the due-diligence it should have received, then I dare say money is more important to the GPWA than its affiliate members.

    How many more programs have been allowed to fly under the radar...more to the question, why?

    As said previously, it's not the GPWA, Michael or staff who lose out when programs go ass up. No it's not. It's the affiliates who lose each and every time. The same affiliates who should be able to place their trust the GPWA which, last time I checked supposed to looking after and out for the best interests of their affiliate members. The only thing I'm seeing lately is the GPWA looking after the GPWA's finacial interests.

    That btw sux as well.

    I wont name and shame specifics but for four (4) long months a program was called to count over cross marketing and other not so kind actions towards GPWA affiliates. However instead of doing something about it, that program remained a sponsor - even after its spokesperson acknowledge the issues but still nothing was changed.

    All the while this was going on, and voting about whether or not the program should have its sponsorship pulled, the APCW was running ads for the same affiliate program on their weekly video casts, telling affiliates how great a program it is.. The slap to GPWA affiliates faces came when, that poll was declared not a decider to having the program rejected but a mere feeler exercise by the GPWA to see how affiliate felt...I sh#t you not!

    Where is the accountablity there?

    If you don't think the GPWA has some serious issues going on about accountabilty and genuinely looking out for its members, then ask yourself this...

    What's more important to you...Trusting in an affiliate organisation who place value into you not being shafted and ripped off?

    OR

    An affiliate association which runs polls about what colour socks people are wearing today?
    no poll like this has ever been run but it gives an idea to some lame polls which have been...

    I know my answer and it ain't about socks; music I listen to; or the last time I got maggotted at an affiliate conference.

    Although all work and no fun makes for a boring affiliate. We all enjoy a gag, a laugh, some sh#ts and giggles too. But FFS get a grip. This is not play school, this a place where affiliates livilhoods are on the line every day...

    And finally, out of over 12,000 GPWA members in total. It's taken maybe 5 of those to do the job the GPWA should have done right in the first place, by showing due-diligence and following that through with a Duty of Care to all its affiliate members.

    Of course I'll likely get a good old roasting for this - I may even get sent on vacation again, who knows. What I do know is this thread clearly shows the GPWA is NOT looking out for its members and in that regard it really does stink!


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    Here you stated:
    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime View Post
    We offer threeside agreement between Affiliate4you.org, affiliates and payment system Express-merchants (Express-merchants.com) which guarantee payouts you earned.
    Now you state:
    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime View Post
    3rd party: Fordlex LLP,Internetcash Corp and Affiliates.
    I'm having a hard time deciding who is more clueless...you the casino manager or Merin the spokeperson for FordLex/Affiliate4You/Casino2Sale et al...I suppose I could use your trick, throw a blind-fold on and pluck names out of a hat - it's clearly what you both excel in.

    Either way you've both contridicted yourselves, worse your both blind to that fact also.

    Anyway's feel free to keep posting rot, I'm tired of the BS... bye bye.
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