Questions regarding awards and hacked sites

[-Shay-]

Has anything come of this?

[mojo]

Dele

[GCG]

so Progger what have you been up to ?

why is your siite xslots.org suddenly offline ?

you were online today and did not bother to reply to the allegations you might be involved in black hat and hacking sites ?

WHY NOT BLOCK HIS ACCOUNT UNTIL HE HAS GIVEN AN EXPLANATION ?

[GCG]

I have temporarily closed this thread, as this one will become the public thread and will be moved back up top and then re-opened for comments.

As Anthony and I were working on this thread, he had temporarily deleted some posts as we prepared to move the thread back into the public realm so we could determine that those posts that private members wanted to stay private were in fact taken care of, and we also wanted to try and make sure the integrity and continuity of the thread stayed intact.

I have removed the posts as per requested by a few private members and un-deleted the posts in the thread that will stay private.

If anyone has made a post in the private section that was removed, but want you thoughts posted in the public version of the thread, you may either copy and paste it into a new post, since all posts were preserved in the private thread.

We expect to make this thread public on Friday throughout the day.

We ask anyone posting in this thread to keep in mind that nothing posted so far is definitive proof of wrongdoing but observations have been made that we felt it was important to post what we knew so far.

We ask everyone to try and keep this professional and refrain from any personal attacks.

Rick
Universal4

Not that is any of my business but if the Progger character is involved in black hat and some other shady things explained by thePogg I would ban him from the forum until given an explanation.

[universal4]

At this point there is no concrete proof of wrongdoing only speculation.

If there is any proof, please let me or Anthony know, (pm preferred, or request email addresses)

This was thoroughly discussed as well as presented to Private Members first and then made public to give the membership as a whole before any action was taken.

It was our hope that by making it public it could be determined whether evidence would be discovered that led to some of the root sources of the hacking.

We also assumed that Progger would actually respond to the thread, and felt it was responsible to give him the opportunity to do so, but it appears that was not the case.

I for one found it quite interesting seeing the similarities in the template as well as all the artwork and even images all being named the same, and honestly felt it went much deeper than a simple copy. (again nothing I could prove, since there could have been other explanations)

Please understand we are not ducking this issue, (although timing is a little off because Anthony is at the conference) but if anyone has anything to add in either direction, please do so.

Rick
Universal4

[falseadoom]

so Progger what have you been up to ?

why is your siite xslots.org suddenly offline ?

you were online today and did not bother to reply to the allegations you might be involved in black hat and hacking sites ?

WHY NOT BLOCK HIS ACCOUNT UNTIL HE HAS GIVEN AN EXPLANATION ?

site still online here

[Progger]

Servus,

Ich antworte erst jetzt auf diesen Thread ,da ich ihn selbst nicht gesehen habe und auch keine Nachricht darüber bekommen habe.
Außerdem nehme ich mir die Freiheit auf Deutsch zu antworten.

Ursprünglich war ein Post vom gaffg der Erste,dort hat er quasi den Oscar für das beste Affiliate programm vergeben.
Der Grund warum ich schreibe das alles nach beschiss aussieht,ist ganz einfach - Brands die dort auf der Liste waren wurden selbst hier auf gpwa als problemfälle deklariert.

Welchen mehrwert gaffg hat ist auch schnell geklärt - gar keinen ! Es ist nichts anders als eine moderene Dmoz Link-sammlung aller Affiliate
programm - nur mit dem Ziel ein paar Euros über SubLinks zu verdienen. Wenn man keine Ahnung sollte man die Waffel halten.

Ich soll begründen warum ich "fraud" schreibe ? Kannst du begründen warum der Award Gewinner der " Gewinner" ist ?

******

Aber kommen wir mal zu xSlots, diese Domain ist in der tat meine.Ich habe diese Webseite so wie sie ist auf Fiverr gekauft,wer dieses Plattform nicht kennt,kann es googeln. An dieser Seite habe ich seit dem kauf nichts verändert,die Files die bekommen habe sind einfach nur auf dem root gelandet.
Irgendwann mal wollte ich diese Seite Fertig stellen,das hatte Zeit - selbst die Reflinks habe ich gelassen - da keine Werbung keine Besucher.

Außerdem frage mich wie thepogg es geschaft hat mein Affiliate-Edge Account zu schließen ? Ich habe nicht mal ein Account dort!

Dann kommt noch der part "Hacker" - da weiß ich nicht ob ich lachen oder weinen soll.Mir selber fehlt das können etwas zu "Hacken" es kann durchaus sein das ich mit der Sache in verbindung gebracht werde wo massenweise WP Webseiten gehackt wurden.Da sucht ihr wohl immer noch den Schuldigen - aber ich bin es sicher nicht . Wie bescheuert müsste man sein um dann noch ein Link in eine Signatur zu packen ?
Macht euch da keine sorgen, ich bin nicht schizophren

Natürlich wäre es auch schlecht wenn dieser Thread in die Private Area verschoben wird,weil dort kann ich nicht hin - und will ich auch nicht außerdem leiber Rick,so richtig warm werden wir auch nicht - wenn du eine Antwort erwartest,schreibe mir eine PN und ich bin sofort da.
Ich kann leider nicht das ganze Forum überwachen.

Bei fragen einfach fragen.

mfg!

[mojo]

Obviously this isn't hard evidence, but it appears pretty sketchy to me ...
TP

In all my years at GPWA I have never seen these kind of accusations accepted in the public forum. There is always a demand of proof. Especially in the public forum. This is not right. Because someone questioned an award? Would this have come up if 'progger' didn't express his distaste for this particular award?

Will you be accused of something if you do the same? Will I?

Obviously At this point there is no concrete proof of wrongdoing only speculation.

Let's get this out in the open. Transparency and all that. Is progger a hacker? Or just annoying to some people! This is a reputation on the line and shouldn't be taken lightly. Accused of being a hacker.

[-Shay-]

In all my years at GPWA I have never seen these kind of accusations accepted in the public forum. There is always a demand of proof. Especially in the public forum. This is not right. Because someone questioned an award? Would this have come up if 'progger' didn't express his distaste for this particular award?

Will you be accused of something if you do the same? Will I?



Let's get this out in the open. Transparency and all that. Is progger a hacker? Or just annoying to some people! This is a reputation on the line and shouldn't be taken lightly. Accused of being a hacker.

He answered to the accusations earlier today (in German). I cannot find the post now though. I also agree with everything in the above post.

[universal4]

Yes we want transparency and in fact if you look I clearly stated that none of what had been posted was proof of anything.

Yes we wanted to give him time to respond...in ENGLISH, the thread was started in the English section, all participants in the thread (default language of all public sections) speak fluent English.

He has a very good grasp of the English language and responds in dozens and dozens of threads in English. His German response was not removed but placed in the mod cue to give him the time to relate his post in English so that those who had no other choice but to use a translator would not get the wrong impression.

He has had weeks and weeks to respond and as I had stated previously as well as in the private thread before this was moved into the public realm

At this point there is no concrete proof of wrongdoing only speculation.

And Yes, Mojo, the case was made and Yes I would have performed the same investigations no matter what the username was.

And in fact all the digging that I had done previously, and everything I presented concerning the website, was strictly that, related to a specific domain name as well as cross referencing data obtained for at least one page that was showing on hacked sites at the time the lookups etc were done.

And there was no choice but to have this discussion take place in the public realm, (as was explained previously in the private thread) as there were participants in the original thread discussion, that are public only members.

I will now go ahead and re-approve the German response as I originally contacted Progger asking him to write his response in English and German to try and help everyone to make sure they were not misunderstanding what he was trying to say.

If I am understanding what he stated, I see no reason why he could not have provided that back in December.

Rick
Universal4

[mojo]

If I am understanding what he stated, I see no reason why he could not have provided that back in December.

Rick
Universal4

I wouldn't have replied either. To add, the pogg is answerable for these accusations to a fellow affiliate.

[mojo]

Maybe the reason is their affiliateedge account got closed?

How would you know that? Do you know that is the case and you have information to back that up? Please share...

I am referring to this post by gaffg:

Anybody can question the awards but what's happening here isn't questioning really, it's insulting and just being trollish behaviour. The awards have been questioned at affiliateguarddog.com in the past but there were not insults nor accusations of fraud which is a fairly harsh statement. When asked for their comments and feedback of why they think the awards are a fraud, their comments were just more insults.

"you talk about "trust" ...really ? Please leave this market delte your page and never open a award thread again.

Thanks!"

Maybe the reason is their affiliateedge account got closed?

At the end of the day, not the first person to be allowed to post insulting comments on here and get away with it.
Gaffg Awards 2015 Winners

[Roulette Zeitung]

Do these things never stops here in this forum?

This is the problem if people are working without sources, only with hearsy, too much adrenaline in the venes and with no knowledge. I have overscrolled the most, and I strongly believe, the audience did the same, because of empty posts, personal attacks, no sources ....

For the audience is looks like too much residues of medicines ...

That makes no sense.

I will read the posts from Rick first here, because he keeps a clear mind and is no one who can be infected with rumours and hearsay. He knows the importance of fair legal situation and the importance of evidence.

He answered to the accusations earlier today (in German). I cannot find the post now though.

The post is still here, Shay (https://www.gpwa.org/forum/questions...tml#post810300).

I will translate the important points later this day here in this thread. Perhaps some can wait until that, because we have seen in Happy Bet case, that there is a big difference sometimes between translating German by Google Translator and what really was written. Our language is very difficult and highly dangerous if you don't translate it in the right way.

As a result the crazy Happy Bet guy Thomas was replaced as you can see in the program profile. No wonder, why. He's in big danger to be sentenced by a court in Germany for his illegal actions here in the forum. So it's better a German resident translate German rather than a machine.

Pehaps in 3-4 hours I will post the translation here, without taking a stand for any party involved. It's a long post from Progger and my wife and pets come first.

Then you can continue on a regular basis because you have Progger's truly translated statement.

Leopold

[Roulette Zeitung]

Translation of Progger's testify

Progger's testify (https://www.gpwa.org/forum/questions...tml#post810300) contains three main aspects.

1. His statements [observations] concerning the gaffg portal

2. Clarification of the xSlots, @thePogg and Affiliate Edge scenario

3. Accusations of criminal activities [hacking]

- Start of translation-

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Part 1

Since I didn't saw [the further development] in this thread and was not notified by a message [[until yesterday] about the further development] in this thread, my reply came late. Furthermore, I take the liberty to answer in German language.

The trigger was a post by gaffg. were he awarded quasi its "Oscar" for the best affiliate program. I have a good reason to declare this to a rip-off, because brands from his "Oscar" list are even here on GPWA reported as [at least] problematic.

In reality the gaffg portal has not value. It's nothing else but a modernized kind of DMOZ linkfarm, filled with partner programs that are economically connected to gaffg, with the aim to make some money through sub affiliate links. It's better to shut up before preaching of which you [might] have no idea.

And now a reason will be required of me because I wrote "fraud" [(he means) rip off] [here in this thread]]?

Can you give me a [justifiable] reason why [gaffg's] award winner won [apart from economically connection]?


Part 2

Let's talk about xSlots. Indeed, I am the owner of the domain. I purchased xSlots on Fiverr portal in conditionn of "as is".
Search with Google if Fiverr is unkown to you. Since date of purchase [content] remains unchanged. The conveyed files were just transmitted [by me] into the root directory.

It was in my plan to finish the website. There was no rush, because at this time there was no promotion [for xSlots] and [as a logical consequence] no visitors. Even the referral links remained untouched.

I wonder how it was [allegedly] possible for thePogg to close my account at Affiliate Edge if I do not yet have an account there.


Part 3

Regarding the "Hacker" [accusations] - I do not know whether to laugh or cry. My [experiences and expertises] are not endowed with highly cabilities to be a hacker. It is so natural to seek someone to blame [at the slightest suspicion], particularly when so many Wordpress websites have been hacked, but I am innocent [and it's obvious], because only a complete moron would put his link [of a criminal website] into the [GPWA forum] signature. No, don't fret! I am not suffering with schizophrenia.

The [best solution [for the accusators] but]] worst solution for me would be to remove this thread [by moderation] into the non-public private section. I [as a public member] cannot access the private section, and I am not interested in gaining access.

Dear Rick,

[unfortunately] we are not really warmed to each other [for now]. [Next time] If you expect a response by me [on a subject], feel free to write me a PM, because it's impossible for me to monitor the whole forum.

If anyone has a questions, I will react as fast as lightning.

With kind regards

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-End of translation-

I was neither asked by @Progger for a translation nor encourage by him in any way.

A correct translation - also of the real sense - is very important for the overall picture and establishment of the truth.

Leopold

[Progger]

A big big "Thank You" to RZ - i know translation need some time,and i hope i can do someting for you.

regards

[-Shay-]

OK... so if I understood the translation properly, the xslots website that is seemingly similar to the "hacker's website" was purchased on fiverr by Progger. Progger maintains he did not change any of the content and simply transferred the files.

If that statement is truthful and if there is connection between the xslots site and this "hacker", then perhaps following the trail to the previous owner might lead us one step closer to the "hacker"?

[tehsik]

i've seen a lot of **** ... and you must be stupid to believe that those awards are given on merit. to be honest i'm pretty 100% sure that even the IGB awards are paid... yes you heard me right ...

ALL AWARDS ARE PAID WITH GOOD MONEY. Stop fooling yourself and think that these awards are given on merit hahahaha ...

We are all here in this industry to make money, even casinos, awards are for branding and you must pay for it .... the big guys know this ....

anyway .. thats my speech ha! and i won't reply back to what i've said... take it as my own opinion or whatever ...

[Roulette Zeitung]

@Progger (translated)
"The trigger was a post by gaffg. were he awarded quasi its "Oscar" for the best affiliate program. I have a good reason to declare this to a rip-off, because brands from his "Oscar" list are even here on GPWA reported as [at least] problematic.

In reality the gaffg portal has not value. It's nothing else but a modernized kind of DMOZ linkfarm, filled with partner programs that are economically connected to gaffg, with the aim to make some money through sub affiliate links. It's better to shut up before preaching of which you [might] have no idea."

@tehsik
"i've seen a lot of **** ... and you must be stupid to believe that those awards are given on merit. [...] thats my speech ha! and i won't reply back to what i've said... take it as my own opinion or whatever"

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It takes 3 seconds to prove the trashiness of Gaming Affiliates Guide (gaffg)!







IGNITION ===> http://gaffg.com/affiliate-programs/affpower-review/

Leopold

[universal4]

Thanks for the help on this Leopold

Progger, thank you for FINALLY responding to a 2.5 month old post which (inmyoipinion) you have likely known existed for two of those months. Having told us of the site purchase back in December would certainly have helped matters.

In my opinion it certainly did appear that either the original owner, or at least the developer of the site in question may have had ties to the hacker. Maybe it was the same developer?

Maybe we could have found additional sites using similar templates, image names and make more connections? Upon original inspections of the xslots I found so many similarities in the template, css, images etc, this is why I did in fact think there were some connections developer-wise.

RE: My warmness I admit that I has a distaste for recommendations that anyone should DDOS others if they have a dispute with them, or when there are personal insults leveled at anyone when there are obvious clashes between individuals, but I also try to stay fair regardless of that, and was careful with the investigations that was done in December and is also why I added the caution that nothing that was discovered proved anything, I was just hoping more digging would uncover more.

Like Shay mentioned (and I told Anthony months ago) I also feel the xslots site, or it's original developer, was a good lead, and at that time we did not know it had been purchased as an already developed site.

Rick
Universal4

[GCG]

just wanted to throw in my 2 cents

regarding the late explanation from Progger and all on high alert for this hacker as well as the referring site xslots.org was offline for a while after our comments, the site certainly was not left as is when bought. Could be the hosting provider back then to rule out this possibility.

Progger you have been aware of this hacking issue. Ref: thread hxxp://www.gpwa.org/forum/urgent-please-ban-your-affiliate-verifiedcasinos-com-serious-hacking-proof-219109.html in which you replied on sept 15th 2014.


Anyways if his GPWA account was locked temporarily by the admin to ask for an explanation this whole theatre would not have happened.