Is Skillgaming conversion extremely low?

**tommydanger** · 8 July 2007, 2:52 pm

Hello, I am a freshman in the affiliate world and promoting Backgammon very hard. I have loads of fun players but the conversion to real is extremely low. Is this a general trend in the skillgaming or does it just take a lot more time? It has been for over 5 months right now.
Please let me know your thoughts if you have some experience with the promoting of skill games.

Thank you
Luuk

**Doolally** · 8 July 2007, 3:41 pm

I find backgammon conversions to be low and of low value as well.

Anyone doing well with backgammon?

**TheGooner** · 8 July 2007, 4:13 pm

We're in the same boat with backgammon. Some profits - but only enough to pay for the work in producing and updating the page. No get rich quick plan there.

However, it may be that we are not focusing enough on it.

Perhaps it's a niche market and if we had 20-30 page of supporting items and information (as we do for POKER) then we'd attract more backgammon readers to the site?

I think that may be a cause and effect thing - if we REALLY chased it we may do better - but frankly I do not find backgammon THAT interesting.

**tommydanger** · 8 July 2007, 5:58 pm

Hi, I like your thinking, got to say that I do have a 20-30 page website with server reviews and background articles about backgammon. So it help so far that I am getting the players signing up for a fun account. Problem however is that they don't convert to a real money account (< 5%).
I think this is mainly because it is also nice and fun to play backgammon, and other skill games? for no money at all. Poker and casino games are useless if there is no money at stake. Please share your thoughts with me on this.

Luuk
www.backgammononline.nl

Originally Posted by TheGooner

We're in the same boat with backgammon. Some profits - but only enough to pay for the work in producing and updating the page. No get rich quick plan there.

However, it may be that we are not focusing enough on it.

Perhaps it's a niche market and if we had 20-30 page of supporting items and information (as we do for POKER) then we'd attract more backgammon readers to the site?

I think that may be a cause and effect thing - if we REALLY chased it we may do better - but frankly I do not find backgammon THAT interesting.

**casinoranking** · 8 July 2007, 6:52 pm

I didn't do backgammon but the other skill games I have tried promoting like Mahjong have extremely low player values. I could make more promoting almost any other industry.

**TheGooner** · 8 July 2007, 9:50 pm

Originally Posted by tommydanger

I think this is mainly because it is also nice and fun to play backgammon, and other skill games? for no money at all. Poker and casino games are useless if there is no money at stake. Please share your thoughts with me on this.

I agree - I've played backgammonk for fun online - not caring at all that there were no stakes other than site ranking points ... and enjoyed it.

Whereas it is true .. poker and casino games are played for money .. or else WHAT IS THE POINT ??

A very good point Luuk !!

**helpyou** · 9 July 2007, 4:16 am

does it just take a lot more time? It has been for over 5 months right now.
Please let me know your thoughts if you have some experience with the promoting of skill games

5months are few in general for all. You can't start to earn much after 5 monhts. hovewer your post is clever because very webmster have saied :

I find backgammon conversions to be low and of low value as well.

My conclusion : you could continue to promote backgammon but you think that you can't obtain hight conversation.

( It is interesting to know what is the meaning/value of hight conversation and/or of low conversation ).

**tommydanger** · 9 July 2007, 6:59 am

Originally Posted by helpyou

You can't start to earn much after 5 monhts.

You mean 5 months is to short of a time to convert, say a good part of over 100 fun players?

**LiveCasinoPartners** · 10 July 2007, 2:19 am

Originally Posted by tommydanger

Poker and casino games are useless if there is no money at stake. Please share your thoughts with me on this.

I agree 100%. When you analyze the psychology behind gambling I suspect you'll find a common denominator in casino, poker, sports betting, lottery, and bingo games. I don't think skill games will match up anywhere near close to these. You just don't get the same level of intensity.

Another reason is that the sensation gratification in casino games are relative to the money made or lost , whereas the skill based games has a different measurement.

However, I could be wrong. Maybe backgammon could be the next poker.

**tommydanger** · 10 July 2007, 4:47 am

looking at the situation as it is we agree skillgaming is not the best moneymaker in the world, based on this would it be the smartest to let my backgammon players go to partygammon so they might go play poker or casino games at party sometime? Any other suggestions?

thanks

**TheGooner** · 10 July 2007, 5:25 am

On the surface of it - that might make good financial sense ...

My biggest client is a site that is an effective gamblnig e-wallet offering Casino, Poker and Game to go with their Sports Betting.

However you might have a couple of other things to consider with backgammon ...

(1) Is the PartyGammon offering THE BEST place (or close to it) that I can send my players for THE BEST backgammon experience?

If it is not - and in fact is not up to the mark at all - then you risk alienating you niche market players. So how good is PartyGammon compared to GammonEmpire and others ?

(2) Do backgammon players also take part in other online gaming and gambling past-times ?

If you're a gammon player then you're probably also numbers person - and numbers people also know the real odds of winning at a casino - online or real world.

That might make casino conversion harder ...

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Have you done any on site surveys of your visitors?
Or posted a thread in your forum ?

Is there a natural path for conversion of skill games players to specific casino games like blackjack ?

**skillarcade** · 11 July 2007, 5:10 pm

I run www.skillarcade.com as well as some gambling portals. The conversion rate for me over the last 6 months is about 5%, with most of my revenues coming from worldwinner.

I have had a couple of months of doing about $2,000, but compared to my gambling portal, it is small change.

The joy is that I don't do much except advertise on google, so it's easily managed.

I have added SkillGround to my site, and it has the worst conversion rate I have ever seen. Does anyone have any experience there?

**slotplayer** · 11 July 2007, 10:43 pm

I just added a few Bingo sites this week. I get a bunch of AOL visitors that play the free slot games so they may like the chat feature of the Bingo sites.

**skillarcade** · 12 July 2007, 8:45 am

Can you recommend any good Bingo affiliate sites that accept USA traffic please?

**helpyou** · 13 July 2007, 10:36 am

For skillrade :

how many visitor do you have unique to day on www.skillarcade.com ?

what are your gambling portal ?

**skillarcade** · 13 July 2007, 6:36 pm

about 150 per day on skillarcade

keno.com is my other portal

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