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    Closing an affiliate's account while it is generating income is wrong. Receiving commissions up till the date of closure is of little comfort.
    I will post what reply we receive from Stan James.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowrisk View Post
    How funny that the affiliates they are cutting out are productive ones. Obviously this is a sensible business decision, and definitely not because they want to retain a 100% of residual income!
    Exactly I can't believe how many people have been booted out of StanJames this week, sickening behaviour.

    I can still log in fine, everything looks ok... of course, I've sent them a tiny amount of clicks and ZERO players in the last 6 months so they've nothing to gain by booting me like they have the others.

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    Ridiculous behaviour. Hopefully Anthony can intervene and sort it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Closing an affiliate's account while it is generating income is wrong. Receiving commissions up till the date of closure is of little comfort.
    I will post what reply we receive from Stan James.
    I got your email thanks, like I said in the post, some months were bad (but not massively bad, maybe the odd couple of hundred quid negative) and some about the same in profit.

    But the end of the day it is not my job to make these players profitable or not, it is Stan James, I just handle acquisitions, not customer retention. All these players have been brought to Stan James through organic search results.

    Just find it amazing that they have removed all these players just before the World Cup, absolutely stinks

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    Transparency ist an important part, especially if information concerns the hard work of all Stan James webmasters.

    The only thing I can find is an unbelievable entry in the GPWA overview page (https://www.gpwa.org/affiliate-progr...mes-affiliates

    "Activity Quota: Partial, while there is no specific quota in place, it is a requirement that affiliates actively promote the StanJames.com brand."



    I am asking that anybody shows me the term for that!

    affiliates.stanjamesaffiliates.com/clientincludes/terms_and_conditions.asp

    Where is the term?

    The reason is simple: If this "requirement" to "actively promote the StanJames.com brand" is the only alternative not to get robbed by Stan James, then it must written into the terms. Otherwise this "requirement" have to declared null and void, because it's unlawful and -if money will be withhold- a criminal act.

    This is a fact, and if this kind of latent blackmail spreads like cancer, then the whole industry will be infected as parts of it are contaminated today with the quota epidemic.

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    lets wait for their reply here... and wait and wait and wait....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Closing an affiliate's account while it is generating income is wrong. Receiving commissions up till the date of closure is of little comfort.
    I will post what reply we receive from Stan James.
    By virtue of their forum sponsorship, who is the rep that is responsible for directly addressing the forum from Stan James?

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    This just stinks the place out. It's appalling how affiliates are treated and what's worse is the lack of any accountability.

    I remember I came here and had a rant when I joined but what is the point? There is no action taken nothing happens.

    Unitedcommissions just told me that because I hadn't sent any new FTD's for six months I'm not getting paid the 300 as per the T&C's.

    The fact that it's an old site that got pandad?

    Come on guys this is absolutely ridiculous. Someone needs to grow some balls here and front up. It's difficult enough building a site that ranks, but then having all your hard work stolen from you is heart breaking.

    I'm with Shay on his payment thread and some more of you need to stand up and make this an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storebuilder View Post

    I'm with Shay on his payment thread and some more of you need to stand up and make this an issue.
    Absolutely understand your issues with the programs Tony, however aiming your post at GPWA is wrong since they provide this forum for us to discuss and find out what programs are rubbish. I guess any new affiliate, after reading this; will strive to avoid signing up and promoting StanJames in the future and go with other brands

    The amount of greed, corruption and I'd presume; 'possibly illegal practices' going on from certain programs over the last decade is an absolute disgrace. I find it hard to trust the 'better' companies, never mind the obvious rogue practices going on at StanJames and the like.

    While the software etc for their players is tested, and I'm sure they are audited for other purposes, I feel there's very little regulation for us affiliates by any board or auditing team and nothing ever happens to look after us, although GPWA goes a long way to discuss and provide info which is great. I reference that Bwin and SportingBet are still in business after their horrendous behaviours towards affiliates, making millions upon millions every year I presume (enough for all their owners, directors to be set up for life) - where as the few hundreds or thousands of pounds owed and not paid (or cheated/shaved/etc) from affiliates by various firms may be a huge deal to those people in question.

    Sorry to everyone in this thread that's been done over by StanJames. I can only advise, wait for their public reply, ignore it when it turns out to be 'generic nonsense', hope GPWA remove them as a sponsor and move forward by contacting whoever you think might be able to make a difference (i've no idea, zero law knowledge.. trading standards in Gibraltar, a gambling commission, or whoever).

    Pressure needs to be put on these programs. Any ideas (even a separate thread maybe?) would be fantastic.
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    There are plenty that DO make this an issue.

    As far as Stan James themselves, I do not work with them nor have I in the past. I do know that Anthony has attempted to make contact with them so let's see if they respond or not.

    To imply that the GPWA does NOT help anyone in matters, is wrong and well, honestly, the fact that GPWA even exists and has stood the test of time for more than 12 years is a testament that we DO help, and in fact, without the GPWA and a few other forums, some affiliates would never have the resources to see the history of what programs do and how they handle things.

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    You don't do enough. For a sporstbook to be able to steal all of those players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storebuilder View Post
    You don't do enough. For a sporstbook to be able to steal all of those players?
    GPWA does not own that sportsbook, neither are they the police. They run a forum & do it with a great deal of responsibility. They are your ally. The legal system exists to right any major injustices.

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    You don't do enough. For a sporstbook to be able to steal all of those players?
    Do you honestly feel that way?

    And, how can the GPWA stop a program from going rogue? They can't. And has been proven over and over again over the years, even when they have gaming licenses, the licensing authorities in those respective countires can't either.

    If and when it does happen (and by the way this will continue to happen with or without the GPWA) we provide a forum where the information can be made public immediately to hundreds and thousands of affiliates almost instantly.

    When they are sponsors, we can immediately inform their management of the displeasure of their collective affiliates.

    When possible, this gives management the opportunity to rethink their positions, and has led in a few cases over the years (admittedly very few, but it has happened) to change their thinking.

    This has also led (often with the co-operation of AGD and other groups) to changes in terms and conditions.

    In this particular case, I do not know whether Stan James have any intention of addressing these matters or not, but let's give this a day or two to see if they will respond, and if not, well then removal of their sponsorship here may or may not be in order, and from the general feeling of what I know so far of the FACTS, I might likely fully support that.

    Granted, it's not a perfect situation, but when you have a better situation in place, and have 12 years of results, be sure to let us in on it.

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    Agree with justbookies and Universal completely, without GPWA, these issues would be a matter of googling terms such as 'stan james scam' or something, and finding loads of rubbish or just angry players saying they won't let them cash out. I didn't realise storebuilder was aiming his issues at GPWA, just re-read it properly now and while I agree with his points about the bookies, GPWA are not at fault for providing us a forum to air these issues.

    I was directing towards the point of 'we all need to stand up' and see if we can all do something about this nonsense and I think any ideas anyone can bring to the table to put pressure on these programs would be fantastic. StanJames this week, SportingBet/Bwin before, who knows who will be next?

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    Yes I feel that way.

    I have seen "thebookiesoffers" have many acounts stolen from him from losing the blue square account to the recent stan james fiasco and I am just sick of the stealing and unethical business practices that goes on.

    I have lost accounts at several money gaming sites and it has got to stop.

    Stop mealy mouthing and do something.

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    Many of us are not happy with some of the actions by some of the groups, but keep the anger focused at the groups, not at the places that give you an avenue to air the grievances.

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    Lets get the thread back on track now. StanJames are the immediate issue of concern. Let's hope we get a reply soon.

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    Rick, Of course I agree and having one too many beers I am off to bed.

    Just pissed off at affilate managers witholding payments for "lifetime comissions" because you haven't sent them any FTD's recently.

    Probably time to get into another industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuga View Post
    lets wait for their reply here... and wait and wait and wait....
    ...and they shall promptly reply ..... GPWA code of conduct................

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    to be fair to GPWA Anthony has been in touch and Michael will be investigating, can't knock them for that

    peronally, whenever a firm starts doing this though I like to see their sponsorship suspended until they have made a public explanation. Afterall no one publicly knows what happened the last time stan james did a round of this sort of thing

    theft is theft

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