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    I am so glad I blacklisted both of them over a year ago.
    This is just downright theft - It is all well and good closing down an affiliate account for whatever lousy excuse they choose to give, but to steal the commission already earned is pure and simple theft and a charge of theft should be laid against them at police stations in the country they are based.
    ( For those affiliates who live in the same country )
    People get arrested for theft in the offline world, but what makes them think it is ok to do it online?
    These big Corporates think they are untouchable and can breach contracts left right and center.
    The UK Gambling Commission is issuing fines left right and center so why can't they protect the Affiliates too??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topboss View Post
    I am so glad I blacklisted both of them over a year ago.
    This is just downright theft - It is all well and good closing down an affiliate account for whatever lousy excuse they choose to give, but to steal the commission already earned is pure and simple theft and a charge of theft should be laid against them at police stations in the country they are based.
    ( For those affiliates who live in the same country )
    People get arrested for theft in the offline world, but what makes them think it is ok to do it online?
    These big Corporates think they are untouchable and can breach contracts left right and center.
    The UK Gambling Commission is issuing fines left right and center so why can't they protect the Affiliates too??
    The only legal resort is to take them to court as it is a contractual issue, so police would have no interest.
    UKGC is only interested in money generated for themselves as they have a legal obligation to be self-funded. They don't care about protecting anyone, it is just an excuse for revenue collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    They have closed my account. I even got some commission there. Unpaid, although I've send them invoices.
    Wow... !! You know this is one of things I'll never understand, why closing an account?! I mean I can understand if they decrease the % or change the deal in order to motivate the affiliate to do something (even that I do not agree with that approach in general, I think vice versa in the long term will do much better effect, and I'm talking from experience), but closing an account is simply not fair and not justified

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    Maybe we can make one thread for loyal affiliates and seems there will be a few only, that meet the requirement from hundred and maybe thousands. Whats happened to this world, and whats gone wrong with this companies, like Betfair? Multimilion companies, try to take all for them and not to share a penny with their affiliates. Whats this?

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    It is called capitalism and profit maximalization. It is not fair and not justified at all. And that is it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    It is called capitalism and profit maximalization. It is not fair and not justified at all. And that is it.
    And this is the biggest mistake of these operations that actually think that by shaving affiliates on regular basis and/or by doing "profit maximising tricks" they'll earn more and be a successful business, in the short term maybe but in the long term I'm sure it'll only lead to decrease in earnings/profit.

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    Define "operation". If it is shareholders, you are maybe right (maybe also not, because affiliates bring much less to saturated markets than before; they steal for years and we did not make them any harm). But in reality companies are run by managements for the rewards of management and not for shareholders. That is the real capitalism. And for management it makes sense to behave like that. Their bonuses are derived from short term yields. That is capitalism. Yes, in the end they will be broke. But it is not a power of huge stock corporation to behave differently. That is also capitalism.
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    By operation I actually mean the operation as a whole, because sometimes the shareholders dont know the "tactics" that c-level are using when they try to maximise profit or trying to get their short-term bonuses (agreed 100%).
    And in other cases the story is that shareholders are pushing for more profits and management actually want to play it right but they can't...

    From our side, the affiliates (and correct me if I'm wrong), we dont really care what cause the problem with our payments or with our account, we usually passive rather it was as a result of c-level management action or as a result of the shareholders action ...

    For example I can tell you from past experience with WHG after they switched managements few years ago and even that I had written profs of 40% rev-share for life fixed from the previous head of affiliation and affiliate manager, he told me when I called him that it's out of his hands and that decision was made by the management in the UK, that they are going to shave all deals and he can only help me maybe to get 20% max.. but after few months he decided to leave and the accounts ended up with 5%... and now no one really cares and I'm tired from explaining over and over again the history,... , they let you feel old promises worth nothing and they want to start from "fresh".. after sending them thousands of players under rev-share in over 10 years, they want to start "fresh".. would you believe it...
    So I dont really care who caused it, the damage is done, we lost and they won and I was trying in anyway I can to fix it but I couldn't due to higher management new "iron policy" and all the affiliate managers I talked to could do nothing that is slightly "different" from their standard T&C..even if we had written agreements.

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    ocreditor, I know you are talking about the bigger picture, but just about WHG (I assume william hill), they did not tell you the truth. I am on 40% and have been for years. They can do what they like. In fact until an affiliate wins in court then all these operators can do what they like. But that means actually taking a firm to court. It is like domestic abuse, the more punishment the victim takes without fighting back then the worse the beatings will become. We are viewed as weak, feeble, incapable of fighting back and they are right.

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    There is nothing like operation as a whole. Shareholders and management are antagonists, where management has stronger position. Much stronger in era of index funds btw.

    I can just repeat I doubt it harms the operation as sum stockholders and management, who fight for their cake in between. Put on one side the real revenue share that was promised, and on the other side what they will miss by stealing minus what they will get from fresh starters. The equation is obvious. They are not shooting themselves. I wish they would, but they do not. And the worse the sportsbook/casino is, the more they gain by stealing, because they are already in the death spiral. Also being regulated by UKGC significantly reduces estimated future revenue and therefore it forces them to steal even more.

    In a way we are totally delusional like altcoiners who hold heavy bags. We were robbed blind because it paid off to someone. That is it. There are many affiliate programs that work in similar way and they will rob us too. There are few who are different, all of them for example are not PLCs, and where it does not pay off to rob us but keep their reputation. So switch to them if you did not already. It is not hard to see who is honest and who will steal next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tufty View Post
    ocreditor, I know you are talking about the bigger picture, but just about WHG (I assume william hill), they did not tell you the truth. I am on 40% and have been for years. They can do what they like. In fact until an affiliate wins in court then all these operators can do what they like. But that means actually taking a firm to court. It is like domestic abuse, the more punishment the victim takes without fighting back then the worse the beatings will become. We are viewed as weak, feeble, incapable of fighting back and they are right.
    Indeed William Hill. If I only had the time and resources to sue them back then, I would do it believe me... them and few others on the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by tufty View Post
    ocreditor, I know you are talking about the bigger picture, but just about WHG (I assume william hill), they did not tell you the truth. I am on 40% and have been for years. They can do what they like. In fact until an affiliate wins in court then all these operators can do what they like. But that means actually taking a firm to court. It is like domestic abuse, the more punishment the victim takes without fighting back then the worse the beatings will become. We are viewed as weak, feeble, incapable of fighting back and they are right.
    Those courts. It is nice to talk about it. But who really tried it? I did. What do you have in hand? Nothing or some screenshots. It is pathetic. If we do not hire some guys who will break their legs or something worse, nothing will change. This is about money not about dreams. If I cared I would go for violence already. I just do not care because affiliate income is pennies and risk/reward is terrible for me, e.g. I do not want to go to jail even for 1% for so little money.
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    Betfair/Paddy can get away with this because of Google. As long as they're on top for virtually all lucrative keywords; thievery is chivalry.

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    I stopped promoting them as have seen only **** things: like account blocking for no reasons , thousands of clicks, which do not convert at all.

    And about the lack of communication, I guess everyone has faced that difficulties.
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    My account is now suspended without any notification, thankfully I rank well for their brand names in Google and receive visitors from that - who are now being redirected to competitors. As a brand they never converted well for me, probably about 1/15th- 1/20th of what I received from the same traffic with my top performing brands.

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    My site has seen a massive increase in what looks like matched bettors (Paddy Power suggests the same), has anyone else had this issue?

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    never hear anything good about Paddy Power. just read a lot of reviews and I don't want to make bussines with them

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    Angry Bet[un]fair

    I've been gambling affiliate for 16 years. And about 14 of them I worked with Betfair. Lately my eranings with them dropped because my main market had been banned in iPoker. But I still had some sign-ups and some earnings.

    Recently I received a letter from them:

    Paddy Power Betfair Affiliate Programme has reviewed your affiliate account you have with us and feel you are no longer suitable to be our partner. We have taken the decision to suspend your account with immediate effect. The reason for this is your account falls into one or more of the below categories:

    Customers You have been delivering a type of customer which is not part of our strategy moving forward and to stop this flow of traffic we will be terminating your agreement
    Compliance Your marketing of our brands does not adhere to our strict guidelines and we feel you are unsuitable to be a PPB partner
    Fraud/Anti-Money Laundering We believe your account to be involved in suspicious activities
    Inactivity You have not delivered one new customer in a designated time period
    More information on these can be found in our terms and conditions 5.9, 7.4 and 12.4.
    https://affiliates.betfair.com/

    Paddy Power Betfair reserves the right to immediately suspend or terminate your agreement. Any payments or outstanding commission which were due will be withheld and not be paid.


    Ok, I understand, that I'm not the most profitable affiliate now. I asked them to pay me at least outstanding earnings (as little as about 500 pounds) but they refused. Shame on you Betunfair, shame on you...

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    **** fair is amazing brand before they made that joint-venture with Paddy Power, I was only aware that they were having goof fair for bets. Now they are totally infair for everything and have ruined the amazing brand Paddy power as well.

    If you can calculate how many accounts they have closed and not paid to ( affiliates we speak about) , they would be able to build stadium bigger than "Marakana".

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    I ve had nothing but problems trying to refer traffic to them. each time we change the site to suit their demands its another thing. they are the most pedantic affiliate programme. one bizarre issue is that we can onl;y send players froma country if the website country domain matches. eg UK players from co.uk Mexican players from MX. etc. no one else has this policy that i know of.

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