Super unserious behavior from Natural8 (Avoid to work with them)

[Jambo]

Hello everybody,

if you think about it to promote Online Poker, then stay far away from Natural8 because you cannot earn any money. They announced some insane changes regarding the calculation of all rev share deals.

They deduct now 4% Fees for every deposit(Even BTC) and 1% for a withdrawal. Ok for a BTC transaction this is totally unacceptable but let it be so if the calculation of the deal would be normal.

The normal calculation like everywhere for a normal net rev share deal was: Rake - Rakeback - Transactions Fees - Welcome Bonus = Netrake/Net Revenue. And the affiliate get paid for example 45% from this amount, if he has a 45% Deal what would be not so a bad deal in general. So far all clear.

Lets say 1.000$ Rake - 400$ Rakeback - 200$ Welcome Bonus - 160$ Transaction Fees(4k Deposit)= 240$ Net revenue and the affiliate receives 108$ commission.

The new calculation is: 1.000$ Rake - 400$ Rakeback = 600$ Net Revenue. Affiliate receive 270$ commission - 200$ welcome Bonus - 160$ Transaction Fees. Means the affiliate has a minus of -90$!!!

This is totally crazy! If the affiliate has a lower deal, for example only 40% or less, he loses much more! Or if a player deposit even more and dont generate much rake because he lose his money fast, the affiliate always makes minus.

To make it clear: They want that the affiliate pay the full crazy transaction fees of 4% and also 100% of the welcome bonus costs from their own pocket. They decide how much and the affiliates pays it.

They say this changes comes from the network but this is absolute nonsense. We know how things are working and we talked with other sites of this network. Everbody with a IQ higher as a cucumber understand that this has nothing to do with the network decision.

Does anyway of you know any other affiliate program in the world who give for example a 50% net rev share out, calculate the commission for an affiliate and let them pay then from this commission 100% of their own welcome bonus + 100% of the transaction fees which are anyway not real and to high?????

[fullbenefit]

Don't forget PVI which takes away most of your profits.
I talked to the main person from one of the affiliate networks who also agreed that it is a total scam

[Jambo]

PVI is no scam. It is just not transparent and thats the problem. iPoker have SBR, Microgaming had also something simular like PVI. Of course everybody would prefer that PVO does not exists

[AceHigh Pino]

I'm on straight rev share there and with the new changes they are now deducting all the promotional fees and bonuses from your FINAL commission amount; whereas they used to only subtract that from your players' MGR totals BEFORE factoring in your commission % and then calculating your final payment for the month. Pretty terrible move...

[Jambo]

Yes seems they lost their mind...

[Jambo]

I need to push this thread.

Now thy decided to increase their welcome bonus to 500$. Sure why not.... the affiliate anyway pay this 500$ alone and Natural8 0$. Why not make 10k Natural8?

[fullbenefit]

It makes no sense to work with them directly now. They will keep adding this nonsense and you will keep losing your income.

There is a workaround if you always want to keep your old players (PM me for info).