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    Default Talking about Cross Promoting - 400Affiliates sends Canadian Players to RedReturns

    I posted this on AGD since today when i clicked on my links to check them I noticed 400Affiliates is sending apparently all Canadian Players (may be more) to a Red Returns microgaming platform. They are sending them to Redflush Casino.

    They have affiliate links in the download buttons as well and what it appears is happening is all affiliate traffic - those that promote 400Affiliate brands are being redirected to Red Flush Casino owned by Red Returns.

    Does this not constitute cross promotion?

    Should not have affiliates been made aware of this - so we would be able to make a decision where to send our Canadian traffic?

    No email or communication was ever given to affiliates that they would be now be redirecting all CAD traffic to Red Returns.

    I would like GPWA to please look into this and find out why they are doing this and if GPWA considers this against their code of conduct.

    It seems like a sneaky trick to me to be honest. Why are they doing this?

    Here are some screen shots and affiliate links and btags as proof. When affiliate links are clicked from Canadians this is what they get.

    When you click the download links from the redirect you have btags.

    This is Vegas affiliate link

    http://www.redflushcasino.eu/play-no...Free_TIV&ul=en

    btag1=Aff_0429_893_50_Free_TIV&ul=en

    Paradise8 Affiliate link

    http://www.redflushcasino.eu/play-no...ee_Para8&ul=en

    btag1=Aff_0429_893_50_Free_Para8&ul=en

    Cocoa Casino Affiliate link

    http://www.redflushcasino.eu/play-no...ee_Cocoa&ul=en

    btag1=Aff_0429_893_50_Free_Cocoa&ul=en

    NOTE: I checked every site in google top 20 who promote This is Vegas - all btags are the same. This
    proves affiliates who work with 400 affiliates are not getting any credit for sending their CAD traffic.
    All btags are the same - If Canadian traffic is sent - you are giving them your commission.


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    Looks like 400 has gone in the biz of being an affiliate, using our traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominique View Post
    Looks like 400 has gone in the biz of being an affiliate, using our traffic.
    Yes it would appear so!

    Dom - what do you think about Red Returns allowing this? I mean they are allowing 400 to send our traffic to them and make money off it and share it with them - is that not just as bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GFPC View Post
    Does this not constitute cross promotion?
    Moreso I would label it exactly what it is and thats theft!

    I said over a year ago this industry was turning into the wild west and more and more its starting to look exactly like that. Seriously who do you trust any more?

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    I am so thankful I have a great family who understands why I am working this weekend ,my list is growing on programs we are pulling!

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    I wish every program had the "bounce back link" option available like Rewards does. Then traffic that couldn't be accepted by their casinos would be redirected to another affiliate link/casino/site of our choice, benefitting us. I love that feature.

    What 400 Affiliates is doing is wrong. Affiliates should be getting credit for any players sent to Red Flush if they came from us and live in Canada. I'm really disappointed to hear this is happening with no communication to the affiliates.

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    It's a shame to see it! We're losing on all fronts!

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    Yep! I hope GPWA does a poll and votes on their status as well. This is a clear violation of GPWA code of conduct and is unethical - but so much is going on with many programs acting like this its going to be hard for this to get the attention it deserves. Well see how it goes - like the rest of the rogue sponsors here who usually get away with it. $$$$$ talks!

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    400affiliates and there brands aren't even worth promoting. They are run unethically and have always been this way. They have just been good to hide the fact. Not anymore!
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    Quote Originally Posted by arkyt View Post
    I said over a year ago this industry was turning into the wild west and more and more its starting to look exactly like that. Seriously who do you trust any more?
    Trust is becoming such a huge issue in this industry! Now more that ever affiliates need to do their homework before agreeing to promote any casino. On the brighter side, the really solid and honest casinos are starting to stand out and shine!

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    Again... I see treads like this everytime i login here at the moment ! So many thieves in this industry.

    Thanks to all members posting these things as it needs to be puplic. And i donīt see how any company acting like this can be listed on GPWA, not even if they are the "best" of the worst programs or whatever it may be called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBS View Post
    Again... I see treads like this everytime i login here at the moment ! So many thieves in this industry.

    Thanks to all members posting these things as it needs to be puplic. And i donīt see how any company acting like this can be listed on GPWA, not even if they are the "best" of the worst programs or whatever it may be called.
    Just to be absolutely clear, 400 Affiliates is not listed on the GPWA. We are, however, following up on the situation in an attempt to get it stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    Just to be absolutely clear, 400 Affiliates is not listed on the GPWA. We are, however, following up on the situation in an attempt to get it stopped.

    Michael
    Sorry my mistake Michael ! I thought i read they were listed, however i did not check. My statement was more generally speaking and not just 400 affiliates

    Thanks for fighting for affiliates

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    I have dropped 400 and all white labels, and even though i had some serious 6th sense type tinglings in the past, i ignored them, not anymore. I suggest you reading out there do the same.

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    Thanks Michael, appreciate you guys looking into it.

    Just for everyone to know - Its important while we ask GPWA to follow up on these issues that we in fact practice what we preach for lack of a better way of saying it.

    It was brought to my attention yesterday that how can i ask the GPWA to impose sanctions or suspensions on programs when in fact i continue to promote them and sit on the fence and wait for GPWA to do all the advanced work while we affiliates wait.

    I know 400 affiliates is not listed here and it really has no reflection on GPWA they are still helping in this matter which is appreciated.

    But for every other program who do cross selling and marketing practices we as affiliates need to be the first to sacrifice by removing these programs from our sites even if that means loss of revenue.

    Its true that if we earn money from rogue programs who cross promote - are we much better? We also are supporting them by continued traffic we send them and this was pointed out to me yesterday my Michael in which i totally agreed with.

    I suggest while everyone read this - make a decision that you think is right. If you believe cross marketing is a rogue act and one that hurts affiliates then do what is needed by removing them from your sites.

    Since I have been vocal in asking for suspensions on various programs it makes sense that I must remove these sites first and lead by example .

    With that said I have made a commitment to remove 400 affiliates and other cross marketing programs here on GPWA that are sponsors.

    Both 400 affiliates and Red Returns will be placed on my rogue lists for taking part in cross promotions to side wind affiliates and hurt the over all affiliate business model.

    If we are going to fight cross marketing we have to stand together as affiliates and do whats needed to try and stop it!


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    Just to be absolutely clear, 400 Affiliates is not listed on the GPWA. We are, however, following up on the situation in an attempt to get it stopped.

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    HI All,

    Please see below link for more information on the below

    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/before-i-remove-197874.html

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    Hi everyone,

    Another issue that I should have replied to earlier. I apologize for this.

    When it comes to our agreement with RedReturns, I want everyone to understand that this was never meant to be a way to cheat affiliates out of money from their Canadian traffic. On the contrary, we assumed that after 2 years being OUT of the Canadian market affiliates would not be sending us Canadian traffic anymore (which is the case for the most part). We do not allow Canadian players so what would the point be? Affiliates would not be making money from these players regardless. I do apologize if it appeared that we were trying to cheat our affiliates in some way but this was not the case at all.

    What we do have, (although as this arrangement showed us just how little) is a small number of Canadian players trickling in from organic searches so when we were approached by RedReturns to set up a deal where we forward any Canadians entering our site to a site that does allow Canadian players and earn commission off of them, we saw no down side to it. As it turned out, the amount of traffic that did end up being sent was very small.

    The deal ended a while back but I still wanted to address this issue so our affiliates know that we would never attempt to cheat any of you out of commission in any way.

    If anyone would like to discuss this further with me I'd be more than happy to chat with you.

    You can reach me at any time (for this or any other issue/question you have) at shaun (at) jetsetaffilliates (dot) com or on skype: jetsetshaun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSM_Shaun View Post
    On the contrary, we assumed that after 2 years being OUT of the Canadian market affiliates would not be sending us Canadian traffic anymore (which is the case for the most part).
    There should have been provisions in place to protect affiliates traffic, no matter if it was 1 month ago or 2 years ago. Traffic should have been tracked. Thats a pretty lame excuse to say oh we just thought since it was 2 years ago, we didn't think affiliates would send that type of traffic. Get with the program and stop ripping affiliates off.

    It is was it is, Theft!

    400 Affiliates will be rogued by us, along with other programs that are continuing to do this. There is no excuse for ripping affiliates off at all. Your suppose to be the huge successful company that is somewhat the foundation of Rival "According to you" that is.
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    Jamie,

    It's apparent that regardless of what I say here your opinion of our company is not going to change, and that's fine. The affiliates and partners that we have worked with since the beginning and have built real, personal relationships with know that we are absolutely trustworthy and honest people. They're the ones who would actually call or email me when they see something wrong, not post on a forum before getting the whole story. For those affiliates, and anyone else who wishes to discuss things, I'm always available to talk.

    That said, In this case, again, I'll be the first to admit that we made a mistake and should have spoken to our affiliates first. It was not done with bad intentions but it was a mistake nonetheless. For this I do apologize. Again, if any affiliate that was sending us Canadian traffic in the past and think that they might have sent us Canadian traffic during the time that we had the deal with Red Returns please email me. We can talk about how this might be rectified.
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    IMO This trend is why affiliates need to learn to geotarget their own traffic.It is easy for a canadian player to go to a rival casino if the website does not specifically post no CAD players with banners .I am sure plenty of us have sent rivals loads of Canadian traffic in past couple years.Red Flush may have assumed this as well .Please if you do not know how to geotarget your traffic ,hire somebody to do it for you.IMO it was a smart business move that some rivals made and they can do what they want with their traffic just take care that you do not bleed your traffic to them.400 affiliates were one of my better rival groups for years but we do not work with them anymore because without USA or Canadian they are not a viable option for my traffic .Please take care of the things we can control and work on your geotargeting.

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