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    Quote Originally Posted by justbookies View Post
    5dimes - there's no 'maybe' about it. If you are in the UK now then try going to 5dimes.eu and see how far you get.

    Bookmaker may be fair with players, but they can be wankers with affiliates. Either way they are a poor suggestion for a top 6 UK bookmaker to promote from scratch because of their active players term and they don't appear to take on new affiliates any more.

    Bodog - Don't take UK at all.
    Then I really don't see what's left out there for UK. Maybe Unibet would be alright?

    But, the more reasons to diversify, I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ogpaper View Post
    Then I really don't see what's left out there for UK. Maybe Unibet would be alright? But, the more reasons to diversify, I guess...
    Yes, I agree. The UK options are very poor. My view is they give a very bad customer experience except to the very smallest punters - getting knocked back on bets is a daily occurrence as a player (or even having accounts closed for fluking a few winners). There needs to be regulation to ensure the bookies will lay a bet, but the self-funding Gambling Commission is a joke. The UK bookies wont offer a decent service left to their own devices. It is "we want small-time losers and everyone else we'll tell to f~~ off".

    You are right Bovada, 5dimes & probably Bookmaker all offer a superior service. As Sherlock has pointed out, all they have is their integrity while the UK bookies don't care about that.

    I also think the level of affiliate deductions has secretly been raised at most firms. TheGooner proved it beyond doubt with Paddy Power, while it makes no sense to me that Bet365 can make more money from their players than all other UK firms. I only have to look at my own affiliate stats over many years to know they are not right with most firms. Obviously it is because all other firms are shaving on the basis of 'legitimate' deductions.

    If we are talking names then I would go Bet365, Coral, SkyBet (an unpopular choice I know) and after that a gap to Betfred and after that they are all abysmal.

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    I have bigger dounts about Coral than Skybet. Skybet still looks decent if you are a bigger affiliate. Paddypower are now even bigger joke than before, I mean after the fusion with Betfair. Every time different AM contacts me with contradictory demands. They were converting good in terms of traffic converted into depositors in spite of their session cookies. But I think last month something weird happened with commission that was almost zeroed (just suspicion, no proof).

    Unibet in the UK sadly does not work. I like Unibet in continental Europe. They are good and consistent. Even their shares raised significantly. But they do not work in the UK, even when they created the fractional odds banners on my request. I am not going to UK frequently, but did anyone see offline Unibet advertisement there? Even Betway works better.
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    Yes Paddy Power converts well, so a shame the affiliate program is making 86% deductions. Unibet has done some offline stuff, like the all-weather horse racing sponsorship, but they still aren't really known in the UK. It has been token gesture stuff. Betway have been doing more advertising, but some of the older threads about their affiliate program aren't good reading.

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    There is really nothing good to choose from. 888 is another converting and not money-making brand there. It is funny how UK was lobbying ust few years ago for open EU market and now they are the most closed one.
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    So we(the affiliates) dont have in UK pinnaclesports, asian bookies(except 888sport) , Bodog and 5Dimes.
    Is there small bookies to promote that have UK license?

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    OT: I think you confuse 188 and 888. 888 has nothing to do with low margin asian bookies (at least I hope so).
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    Does anyone have any experience with Bwin?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PremShip View Post
    Does anyone have any experience with Bwin?
    Gave them a go a couple of years back but did next to nothing for us, although to be fair the golf product isn't great in comparison to some.

    The sport/niche you're promoting, unless you're generic bonus/free bets listings, is also likely to have a bearing on everyone's top-6 list. We get far more traction with say Paddy Power than some who regularly post on here, but then Paddy's golf product is very competitive in comparison to many of the other bookies.

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    Netbet, 888 and Betvictor are in the top 6 i think

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    Pinnacle are hoping to re-enter the UK by the end of the year - https://twitter.com/PinnacleSports/s...23054509080576 - though I find it hard to see how it will be profitable given their low margins vs tax obligations.
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    Would be nice. Is there some turnover or flat tax or something like that in the UK? Or all gambling taxes are just a "revenue share"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    Would be nice. Is there some turnover or flat tax or something like that in the UK? Or all gambling taxes are just a "revenue share"?
    Nothing on turnover - 'just' 15% gross revenue. Sports free bets are taxable. From 1 August 2017, Bingo and Casino "free bets" will be taxable too.

    There's also a 10.75% levy payable on profits from British horse racing.

    Obviously laying a collective group of customers (UK residents) bets where you can only win 85% of the profit, for 100% of the risk, might not be particularly attractive to operators who don't have large revenues from the UK already.
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    Here is an interesting site (nb: I am not affiliated with them) listing top bookmakers based on a mix of reviews and alexa style ratings; http://www.top100bookmakers.com

    bet365
    William Hill
    BetFair
    SkyBet
    Paddy Power
    bet-at-home

    according to *their* list.
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