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    Angry Trademark Questions - Anyone here own this site?

    I was checking my stats and this site keep sticking out to me: xxxhttp://nodeposit-online.com/gamtrak-forum-no-deposit-bonuses.html

    It has my business name splashed everywhere with their affiliate tags.

    There are quite a few others under the 'gamtrak' keyword. What can/should I do about these sites or is it a waste of time to worry about it?

    Here is some of the text they use:

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    I say off with their heads!

    Looks like all the links redirect to Villento Casino, aff tag included. Wouldn't hurt to drop them a note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamTrak View Post
    I was checking my stats and this site keep sticking out to me: xxxhttp://nodeposit-online.com/gamtrak-forum-no-deposit-bonuses.html

    It has my business name splashed everywhere with their affiliate tags.

    There are quite a few others under the 'gamtrak' keyword. What can/should I do about these sites or is it a waste of time to worry about it?
    I doubt whatever time you would have to invest looking into this would be worth it - somehow I don't see how this nonsense would devalue your brand or you business whatsoever - if anything, this just proves that you are in high demand.

    I would definitely keep an eye out to see if any content gets copied though, then you should definitely take some action.

    It's all about picking and choosing our battles.

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    Hi Mojo & Mark,

    Thank you both for the different and valuable feedback.

    My time is pretty well used up on new projects so I guess I will just leave it for another day. hehe

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    I've seen this quite a bit with my site, and depending on the situation I may or may not take further action, but I ALWAYS report it to google if it shows under my domain.

    If it's really blatant (and I think the above is) I also contact the aff program.

    It's a blackhat tactic and I have little tolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominique View Post
    I've seen this quite a bit with my site, and depending on the situation I may or may not take further action, but I ALWAYS report it to google if it shows under my domain.

    If it's really blatant (and I think the above is) I also contact the aff program.

    It's a blackhat tactic and I have little tolerance.
    Thanks Dom,

    I really need to do better reporting stuff to google so I will begin to make a list of the bookmarked sites that does this.

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    I wouldn't obsess about it but I do think we should tag team these things when we see them. Today GamTrak, tomorrow someone else. If GamTrak hits it today, it will slow them down for the next one. If I see something I will report it somewhere depending on the offense.

    JMO of course. Not saying what anyone should do. It's a constant battle that get sooooo old.

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    EP_Mark,

    I wonder if you would answer the same way if the EuorPartners brand or their casino's brands were being damaged in the same way.

    "What if" the same scenario existed with YOUR brands and yet the traffic was being directed to a different brand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamTrak View Post
    What can/should I do about these sites or is it a waste of time to worry about it?
    Hi Robin,

    I believe CM (Bryan B) advised you to trademark "GamTrak". I would strongly suggest doing so. This is not the first time this has happen. So it seems that your Brand Name is targeted a lot.

    Which if anyone has a global brand name that they use for their site(s) I would suggest applying for a trademark also.

    When you have a trademark on a brand name such as "GamTrak" this offers far more clout that just a copyright.

    Although it doesn't prevent scum from using it, it does provide you ownership to that Brand name. Legally have a 95% chance of winning if at matter goes to court on the basis that someone has used your Brand without consent.

    Over and above this, contacting hosting providers and such when you have a brand Trademarked will have your content removed quickly and most times without any dramas.

    No one wants to infringe of somes Trademark because they know that if taken to court they'll likely lose and be up for damages as well.


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    Hi Dave,

    Yes he did and I remember now that I asked hubby to take care of it, but I see that I have to do it myself so that is what I'm going to do right now. I made that name up and have put way to much effort in the brand to not take care of the trademark!

    Thanks for reminding me.

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    Hi Robin,

    I believe CM (Bryan B) advised you to trademark "GamTrak". I would strongly suggest doing so. This is not the first time this has happen. So it seems that your Brand Name is targeted a lot.

    Which if anyone has a global brand name that they use for their site(s) I would suggest applying for a trademark also.

    When you have a trademark on a brand name such as "GamTrak" this offers far more clout that just a copyright.

    Although it doesn't prevent scum from using it, it does provide you ownership to that Brand name. Legally have a 95% chance of winning if at matter goes to court on the basis that someone has used your Brand without consent.

    Over and above this, contacting hosting providers and such when you have a brand Trademarked will have your content removed quickly and most times without any dramas.

    No one wants to infringe of somes Trademark because they know that if taken to court they'll likely lose and be up for damages as well.


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    I'd be aggressive on this one... If for no other reason that search presence - if someone is looking for "gamtrak" there is no reason for anyone else to show up in the search results.

    If you are soft on it, it invites others to do so as well until the problem is too big to handle.
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    Hi Matt,

    I think your post really hit home with me. Due to the fact that I made the name up (I did a search of it in 2001 and it did not exist) from shortening two words. Gambling & Tracking.

    Looks like this is a job for an attorney as the process is way more than I want to devote the time to. I've checked around and you can get a online service to do it for around $500. I wonder if that includes everything or if I still need a lawyer?

    I do not like reading legal stuff like what's involved here. I do much better with a computer manual!

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    I'd be aggressive on this one... If for no other reason that search presence - if someone is looking for "gamtrak" there is no reason for anyone else to show up in the search results.

    If you are soft on it, it invites others to do so as well until the problem is too big to handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamTrak View Post
    I've checked around and you can get a online service to do it for around $500. I wonder if that includes everything or if I still need a lawyer?
    Personal I'd be using a lawyer. Least this way you know your a#ss is covered.

    Just make sure that you cover all your bases.

    Meaning select Categories and sub Categories that will best protect your Brand.

    EG - Computer Software (I think is a Category)

    look for any sub category under that heading that protects your interests. And do the same for each relevant Category.

    With that $500 service, I would image that would only be to process the Trademark paper work and perform Name checking.

    A fee is charged for each Category and each sub-category you list your TradeMark under.

    So be prepared to spend a few bucks. But least that will cover your back side in the event of these issues you raised in this thread.


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    Thanks Dave,

    I'll contact a local lawyer and start the process this month for sure! Looks like I will be using my vacation money for this one! I appreciate the valuable advice!
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    I'm not really worried about this particular blackhatter. I'm thinking about future stuff that I'll be doing where I don't want anyone allowed to use the words GamTrak.

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    As most people know I'm in Australia so USA law is probably different.

    However when I've trademarked a Brand I've just handed the info to my solicitor and got him to sort it out.

    There are such services here in Australia to do as you explained online. But I just feel a lot more comfortable having my legal guy handle it. Least I know he's got a legal background.

    And if anything does go screwy least I'm covered by consumer laws. Doing it online for all I know they could be located in Nigeria!



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    I have been reluctant to throw in my two cents. Get a little crazy when I see this sort of thing. All advice given thus far is very useful and would likely fix the problem fairly quickly.

    If it were me I would first try submitting eight spamdexing reports to Google. Eight is the number of spam sites I found this individual is operating under. Maybe a contacting this Webmaster would help?

    The word GamTrak is rather unique and IMO could possible be a simple domain infringement problem rather a trademark issue.

    Maybe it will take care of itself.

    Best of luck!

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    Thank you greek!

    You are the best at what you do!

    Quote Originally Posted by greek39 View Post
    I have been reluctant to throw in my two cents. Get a little crazy when I see this sort of thing. All advice given thus far is very useful and would likely fix the problem fairly quickly.

    If it were me I would first try submitting eight spamdexing reports to Google. Eight is the number of spam sites I found this individual is operating under. Maybe a contacting this Webmaster would help?

    The word GamTrak is rather unique and IMO could possible be a simple domain infringement problem rather a trademark issue.

    Maybe it will take care of itself.

    Best of luck!

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    Hi all (Gams ... I miss talking with you),

    anyway my 2 cents is that in a global situation such as we have where anything "legal" involves crossing country boundaries ... is a money-eating and in the end losing proposition even if you win your decision.

    a lot of these trouble makers are in locations where its tough to get any satisfaction.

    its anybody's guess how many false names and dead ends you may encounter while finding out who to go after.

    for these reasons the simple, effective and ultimately correct entity to police these matters are to ...

    follow the money. When it stops being profitable to do such BS ... the BS will stop.

    Sponsors need to be contacted and then are expected to step up and close the accounts of these obvious scumbags.

    Lotso and Gams are both correct. GamTrak is not an english word yet it is as anybody else's brand ... vulnerable to those who would seek to cheat their way to what the rest of us work very hard to achieve ... the right way.

    Trademarking prevents those in locations where it is not so easy to cheat ... from doing so. Those located in "Findmeifyoucanandbetterluckfindingtransportationt ogethere" ... don't really give a flying feather about anything that doesn't directly effect their bank account.
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    Aside from the name this person is still doing some bogus stuff.

    Some spam URL's

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    Say what? Anyway this person is a real jack ass.

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