Turnover commission

Hello
What do you guys think about the turnover commission?
Many big Asian bookmakers have this type of commission. For example, 0.05% - 0,2% on turnover regardless of whether bets are won or lost. The percentage seems low, but this type of bookmakers is rather aimed at big players.

Does anyone have experience with this type of settlement? Do you think it is possible to achieve results this way similar to those on RS or CPA.
I am asking out of curiosity, I have no experience in these matters.

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Originally Posted by dannyx

Hello
What do you guys think about the turnover commission?
Many big Asian bookmakers have this type of commission. For example, 0.05% - 0,2% on turnover regardless of whether bets are won or lost. The percentage seems low, but this type of bookmakers is rather aimed at big players.

Does anyone have experience with this type of settlement? Do you think it is possible to achieve results this way similar to those on RS or CPA.
I am asking out of curiosity, I have no experience in these matters.

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No experience myself but the numbers seem a little low to me, just crunched the numbers from one program here over the past 4 years and the rev share equivalent is closer to 1% using actual rev share commission achieved versus gross betting turnover as the calculation.

I was involved with an online bookmaker between 1998 and 2001 and it paid turnover commission to affiliates at circa 2% to 2.5% with no deductions. The gross revenue on turnover that the bookmaker itself was making annually was 6%. This was sports betting only. That may have been generous but I reckon 0.05% - 0.2% is a con. I think the minimum I'd consider fair would be 1.5%.

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Originally Posted by tufty

I was involved with an online bookmaker between 1998 and 2001 and it paid turnover commission to affiliates at circa 2% to 2.5% with no deductions. The gross revenue on turnover that the bookmaker itself was making annually was 6%. This was sports betting only. That may have been generous but I reckon 0.05% - 0.2% is a con. I think the minimum I'd consider fair would be 1.5%.

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agree with this

However, it is important to remember the specifics of these bookmakers.
- They attract large often prof players
- among such players there is probably a higher % of winning players
- they do not limit players


Sa I used to bet and in 2017 I checked I made a deposit of $600 and by the end of the month my turnover was $118,000 and I came out practically zero. So big players with big deposits will surely wring out much higher turnover.

Of course, I don't know the partner's practice so I could be wrong. However, it is possible to make very high turnover from a small deposit.

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Originally Posted by dannyx

However, it is important to remember the specifics of these bookmakers.
- They attract large often prof players
- among such players there is probably a higher % of winning players
- they do not limit players


Sa I used to bet and in 2017 I checked I made a deposit of $600 and by the end of the month my turnover was $118,000 and I came out practically zero. So big players with big deposits will surely wring out much higher turnover.

Of course, I don't know the partner's practice so I could be wrong. However, it is possible to make very high turnover from a small deposit.

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You look like you've convinced yourself. If you are happy with the metrics why not give it a go. Feedback on here and let us know how it works out at those rates as we all have little experience working on turnover %.

If you have some experience with bookmakers you can estimate turnover based on your current stats with RS/CPA. At least how many big players you have.
In 99.999% cases you'll find that 5% of turnover is less than default RS deal.

Can't talk for sportsbooks, but Rewards Affiliates offer a wagering model (same thing just different name). If you have HR slot payers, and not in a region that pays tax, then your earning 1.3% on all wagering. That also includes bonuses given.

It can be a very sweet earner ;)

However, 0.05 - 0.2% on sports is crap - a total scam. It's peanuts. Actually it's far less than peanuts.

Sports betting runs on about a 6%-8% odds over round also known as "Vig" or "Juice".
So that's the gross return you should expect when you are running 1000's of customers as an operator.

Operating expenses such as customer bonuses, deposit fees, staff, licensing etc will eat into about half of that.
This leaves about 3-4% return on turnover.

So when you are on a 25% rev share you would expect (on average) to get around 0.75% to 1.00% of betting turnover.
Of course it does vary a lot - if punters favourites win then bookies can lose and you get nothing - but when unpopular upsets happen then profits are way up.

Old time bookmaker Pinnacle Sports used to run on turnover percentage that varied according to the "vig" in each market with rates varying from 0.25% to 1.50% of turnover on offer. It WAS a good regular earner that was popular with high rollers.

In my opinion ... being offered 0.05% to 0.20% of turnover is very, very, low.

(ALSO NOTE : Pinnacle Sports are not recommended for affiliates since they changed owners, dropped major markets and shafted most affiliates)

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Originally Posted by TheGooner

(ALSO NOTE : Pinnacle Sports are not recommended for affiliates since they changed owners, dropped major markets and shafted most affiliates)

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Kudos for including that, mate. I'm sure there are folks out there who are not savvy to this factual information:clap:

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Originally Posted by TheGooner

Sports betting runs on about a 6%-8% odds over round also known as "Vig" or "Juice".
So that's the gross return you should expect when you are running 1000's of customers as an operator.

Operating expenses such as customer bonuses, deposit fees, staff, licensing etc will eat into about half of that.
This leaves about 3-4% return on turnover.

So when you are on a 25% rev share you would expect (on average) to get around 0.75% to 1.00% of betting turnover.
Of course it does vary a lot - if punters favourites win then bookies can lose and you get nothing - but when unpopular upsets happen then profits are way up.

Old time bookmaker Pinnacle Sports used to run on turnover percentage that varied according to the "vig" in each market with rates varying from 0.25% to 1.50% of turnover on offer. It WAS a good regular earner that was popular with high rollers.

In my opinion ... being offered 0.05% to 0.20% of turnover is very, very, low.

(ALSO NOTE : Pinnacle Sports are not recommended for affiliates since they changed owners, dropped major markets and shafted most affiliates)

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You must be killing it mate. When I dabbled in tennis betting I would always see your predictions on the first page of Google. I stayed away from women's tennis betting, though, far too unpredictable.

I agree women are far to unpredictable, makes sens betting on them would follow that.

Rick
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