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    Angry *Very Discriminating* Jet Set Marketing - Pardise 8 Casino and Cocoa Casino

    I am not posting this out of spite at all towards this company, But i do feel that the affiliate manager Jaxon should have the same treatment he has caused me and my site.

    Alot have alot to say if i do something wrong, Whats the bet no one agrees with me, It will show how really professional some are, I know I am not alone in saying this sort of communication behaviour or justification is un-acceptable.

    I received this email this morning my time:

    ****
    Email
    ****

    Haha, maybe.... fuckin fag. Here's the email addy's I have...

    Wayne - P4K Gaming wayne@p4ks.com
    Wayne and Jamie <waynejamie@xnet.co.nz
    Support - P4K Gaming <support@p4ks.com>
    waynehutt@hotmail.com

    jason@thejetsetlife wrote:
    > What are his email addy's again? Maybe he's not replying because its
    > you haha. I'll try him.
    >
    > jaxon@thejetsetlife.com wrote:
    >> Hey,
    >>
    >> Any news from this guy? I emailed him the other week and I haven't
    >> heard back from him.... not surprising. Has he contacted you guys?
    >>
    >> Jax
    >>
    >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >>
    >>
    >> No virus found in this incoming message.
    >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database:
    >> 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: 08/06/09 05:57:00
    >>
    >>
    >
    >


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    *Jaxon Lam*
    Jet Set Marketing - Affiliate Manager
    www.paradise8.com
    www.cocoacasino.com
    Reply to: Jaxon@thejetsetlife.com
    msn: jetsetjaxon@hotmail.com
    Facebook: Jetset Jaxon
    Twitter: CocoaCasino, Paradise8Casino
    *****
    END of Email
    *****

    Some of you may think i am posting to try and get my reputation back, I am not. I have made mistakes and have been corrected and not repeated. I have the arrangement as alot from GPWA staff know.

    But for an affiliate manager to Discriminate of sexuality is simple not acceptable. I have spoke with JASON who is the owner/ Boss of Jet Set Marketing and he has assured me he will deal with this.

    But I have felt right from the start, regarding our agreement that it should never have been made public and we could have settled without our site being damaged to the extent it has.

    Yes i have made huge mistakes, And I am correcting them, I am still working with casinos and no matter what some of you may think they are more than willing to work with us. This constant bashing slamming and name calling on public sites is a joke. It is not what the casinos want nor is it what any of us want.

    I am the first to admit fighting on forums, because i have done it, BUT a line needs to be drawn. What is actually unethical is those that constantly slam people with out physical proof and slandering peoples names. i am not just talking about myself.

    In respects to Jaxon,

    I will not accept an apology from him, he has sent one with an excuse that he didnt mean to send it and a statement he sent another email to apologise straight after this bad one.

    That is beside the point, You have discriminated, You are unprofessional and weather you thought it was a joke or not is beside the point.

    If you were living in New Zealand, Not only would you be fired from your Job, But you would be sued for defimation. This is not what I am looking for.

    What I am looking for is to show just how unethical you yourself really is, You gavce no thought into the 11 sites you posted about our media deal what effect it would have on our site, And what it has cost us. So why should i worry what effect this plain and simple email will have on you.

    I do not hold Jason responsable and find JASON the owner very nice to deal with, But Jaxon you have lost all crediablility as far as i am concerned as an affiliate manager.

    Regardless of our situation regarding the media deal it does not give you the right to speak like this. I personally no longer want to hear from you nor will i reply to your emails. You are a running joke as far as I am concerned, You try to speak on an ethical basis then you do something like this.

    Jason, I know you requested and asked if i would not post this, but in all honesty what thought did yous have when you authorised Jaxon to post about our Media Arrangement.

    You have achived damaging our name, but we will rebuild, We still work with casinos as alot can read between the lines.

    I will only deal with you personally Jason to continue our agreement with the Media Deal, But please do not have Jaxon email us anymore. Not only is his rubbish Spam, But he isn't really worth listening to anymore.

    I will glady provide email headers, And original emails i have received to back this claim up.

    Just remember Jaxon, around 25% of the affiliates you deal with are gay, i know of 16 that promote yous. Regardless if you say you didnt mean it, YOU said it. So i guess members can be the judge.

    To those that think it is a joke, and funny. To those that get smart about me not having a proper education and use grammer or spelling correctly.

    You are also discriminating someone that is less fortunate yourselfs. And if anyone takes you seriously after doing that then this part of the gambling industry in the world truley shows something.

    Like more than one casino has told me, Don't listen to people like this. Just keep going and work with the casino that will work with me, We have good traffic as we have proved to casinos regardless what some of your comments are. We have shown hosting screen shots along with backed up proof we get the traffic. Just because alot dont post at our site doiesnt mean a thing. I am continuing in this industry and I will not let low minded, discriminating people drive me away.

    I have seen comments like "Why do casino still deal with this guy" The reason is because we can produce results regardless of what some of you may think. I can't be bothered with people like Jaxon anymore, I may as well put all my energy into something productive NOT Slanderous or misleading.

    Sorry if my tone has offended some, It is directed directly at Jaxon and those that have slammed us.

    If anyone needs proof to prove i am not lying about Jaxon please email me at support@p4ks.com I will provide email headers and original copys.;

    Regards
    Wayne Jackson
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    Here is another email i got from Jaxon, It ist acceptable in my opinion.

    Hi Wayne,

    I know that you are not going to believe me, but I sent you an email
    directly after this I made this mistake and corrected myself. Please
    check your other email address (waynejamie@xnet.co.nz) for the email
    that I sent after the mistake was made. The reason for your email
    addresses in the address bar is because I was trying to get your email
    addy's for Jason. I stupidly forgot to remove 2 of them before I sent
    the email. I did not intend for that comment to be directed at you, but
    at Jason for teasing me about you not replying to me. I am sorry if I
    offended you, but I promise to you that I did not direct that comment at
    you.

    I can sometimes talk this way to my friends without meaning anything
    offensive at all by it and I wrongly assumed it would be ok to talk to
    Jason like this as well. Needless to say he was not impressed and now I
    am facing disciplinary actions for this.

    I am not a discriminating person, as I am a visual minority and know how
    it feels to be on the tail end of comments such as these. However, I do
    speak to my friends like this, so i am guilty of using words like this
    when speaking to my friends, but I definitely never mean it in a
    discriminatory way.

    Sorry about the misunderstanding, but I honestly did not mean to direct
    that at you.

    I have a copy of the Delivery Notification that I received when I sent
    the email to you after I realized that I had forgotten to remove your
    email addy's from the address bar. I will be fwding it to you
    immediately after I send this.

    Regards,

    Jaxon

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    www.cocoacasino.com
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    Am I mistaken or wasn't it decided before that this was dead? This sounds more like a personal issue that should be dealt with privately between the two of you. I think we all have enough to concentrate on without getting involved in a pissin contest.

    So please, take it private, work it out and let's get back to promoting and making a living.......jmo

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    Your possible correct just like the last episode.

    It should have been handled privately, It really amuses me on what people should and shouldnt be posted.

    This is not a private matter, It is unethical of an affiliate manager to do this, I have every right to post this. This form correct me if I am wrong is for unethical practices is it not.

    If not then it should be removed or renamed!

    Funny, a casino does something wrong, it should be handled privatley, Wayne "P4K Gaming" does something lets scream it to the world. Very professional!

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    I'm not gonna comment on what should be posted, but only to say that "Stuff happens" Wayne and I sort of made the same mistake that Jaxon did a few years ago, but mine was seen by my entire ezboard membership.

    One Admin was being harrassed by another admin and contacted me. After several emails (talking about personal stuff) I somehow cc'd all the PM's we had sent each other to over 1,000 members.

    Anyway, my point is. This situation is like doing stuff you would normally only do at home (like saying racial stuff) when no one or only close friends are around. I'm NOT condoning it or saying it's right, but it was obviously a mistake.

    Don't sweat the small stuff and Michael is away and things need to remain calm or Sheriff Anthony will be very upset. Try to have a nice evening or day and forget about it.

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    Smile ok

    I have always valued your opinion Robin, I understand totaly where you are coming from. However, I do want others feed back, NOT NASTYNESS, but feedback as my own opinions never seem to count.

    I am having a great evening sitting down with family having a few bourbons, I will try to hold my composure the best I can but theres some people you just can't please

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamTrak View Post
    One Admin was being harrassed by another admin and contacted me. After several emails (talking about personal stuff) I somehow cc'd all the PM's we had sent each other to over 1,000 members.
    Ouch! Bummer Robin.

    One time I thought I was replying to Joe but replied to my AM instead. Said 'I love you'. I had to write her and explain what happened and that while I do like her it was a little fast to be using the 'L' word. She musta thought I was a nut.

    I'm not going to comment on this either except to say that I agree with GamTrak, it was a mistake and I don't condone it nor do I condone posting emails w/o permission.

    Peace everyone!

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    Agreed Mojo, Posting emails, seems alot do this though. I have had all of mine posted everywhere by people that don't have my permission.

    Have a good weekend

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    Very rude emails IMO P4. Symbolic of how some can lose all humanity. Actually they are disgusting emails.

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    One time I was emailing back and forth with a co-administrator of our forum. This was years back. Anyway, this new gaming site was talking back and forth with us about setting up a special promotion with them. The guy we were dealing with was kind of difficult at times. So me and the co-admin of our forum were privately discussing this, and I said something to her about what an ***hole he was. What did I do next? You guessed it, Sent it to him somehow by accident. Oh boy was he upset then! He did accept my apology and we did run the promotions.

    I can't tell you how embarassed I was.

    Sometimes mistakes like that can happen. Robin made a good post there about things we sometimes say in private, at home, or whatever.. that we'd never say outside of that private area. Unless we slip up.

    I'm sorry about the comment that was made Wayne. But I'm sure it was not meant to go to you. And doesn't necessarily mean they feel any discrimination.

    IMO, since it was probably just a mistake to send that to you, I don't think you should make another thread about this. Jason said he would handle this, and I'm sure he will.

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    The comment was most certainly not meant for you Wayne.
    Jaxon did quickly apologize. Accepting that apology is of course your decision.


    This really is an issue between Wayne and Jaxon.
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    Hey everyone,

    I’m not going to disagree with the fact that I did say what I said, but I will defend the basis of which it was said. The email was not intended for Wayne, nor was the comment directed at him or in a derogatory manner. I am sorry if this offended anyone, but it was directed at my boss in the sense that he was teasing me about Wayne not replying to my email that I had sent him on July 29th. I felt comfortable enough to say this to my boss jokingly (just as some of my friends would say to me in a teasing manner; not literally), but I was wrong in assuming that and Jason took it very seriously and has spoken to me about it already.

    The reason that it was mistakenly sent to Wayne was because Jason had asked me for Wayne’s email addresses and I typed in the address bar to find Wayne’s multiple email addresses. I would then copy and paste from the address bar into the body of the email to place the addresses.

    Wayne is accusing me of intentionally emailing him this, but it doesn’t make any sense for me to do that? If I had intended for the email to be directed at Wayne, I could’ve gone on msn, or would have sent it to all of his email addresses (4 in total). I understand and agree that what I said is very bad, but like I said in the email reply to the mistaken email, I did not direct it at him. I have never personally attacked Wayne even at the peak of our issues, so why would I start drama for nothing? I would accomplish absolutely no good by intentionally emailing this to him. The only thing I would be doing is tarnishing my name as an Affiliate Manager and that is very counter-intuitive.

    In conclusion, I made a mistake by saying what I did, but I am in no way a bigot or a person of hate. I am a visual minority and I grew up in a small town, so I know what it feels like to be on the other end of truly hateful comments. I meant it in a non-derogatory manner, just as someone would call their friend a wuss for not drinking another beer. I have apologized to Wayne and I hope that all of you can understand what my intentions were. If I have offended anyone, please accept my sincerest apologies and rest assured, I will do my best to never speak like this again to anyone, including my friends.

    Regards,

    Jaxon
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    Ok Jaxon,

    Let's speak frankly shall we, If this e-mail was not intended for me why was it cc'ed to my P4K Gaming support email address along with my partners and myself personal email. If it was a simple mistake of a click of name then somehow the mistake happened twice.

    So you placed your bosses email address in, You some how accedently put support@p4ks.com in and then both my partners and myself personal email address in.

    Even though you included these 4 other emails in the bdy of the email.

    I am sorry I don't beleave you and feel this was not a mistake. As i already said to you Host Gator can be contacted and confirm that there servers did not receive a second email from your server, Even if you had sent one and it was returned they it gets logged within there system.

    I was going to reply to Deara just saying the email was send to more than one address but since you replied before i have addressed it to you.

    Anthony,

    I have Pm'ed you with a little more details as requested.

    An appology was sent only after i had contact his boss and informed his boss i would be posting here. As his boss stated he will deal with it and i was free to choose weather to post this. I respect Jason "Boss of Jaxon" and will only deal with him in the future. Jaxon you claim you have never downed me, or intentional spoken badly. All of your posts regarding our sour media deal was labled by you SCAM ARTIST and don't trust this guy ever. So please think before you try defending yourself as people tell me.
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    I am going to temporarily close the thread.

    We are going to see what can be done privately before it re-opens.
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