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    Default Wagershare- Renege on deal!! Hold Earnings For 6 Months Not 3 Now!

    Just wanted to alert anyone that works with Wagershare to be careful they are reneging on deals they make with affiliates.. Apparently verbal agreements(skype chat agreements) mean nothing to this company and they will at any time renege on deals as they see fit! I was just recently dropped in my % on a supposedly new player rule that I never agreed to with my affiliate manager Erika I even have the deal chat to prove this fact. Once I shown this chat to her I was then just ignored!!

    Also just so your all aware they have an alarming amount of 'self locked' player accounts, these are usually players that deposit many times... seems a bit odd that there are so many but in any case unless you keep track and ask about your earnings on these players they WILL NOT pay you!! The time frame was 3 months to ensure the player didn't do a chargeback before your paid out on them but now it is set to 6 months from what I hear!!

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    It is unsettling to hear this. If you want me to contact them, please let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonustreak View Post
    I was just recently dropped in my % on a supposedly new player rule that I never agreed to with my affiliate manager Erika I even have the deal chat to prove this fact. Once I shown this chat to her I was then just ignored!!
    Sorry to hear this. Is there a quota now?

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    bonustreak I am sensitive to your issue,

    And I have been saying for YEARS that quotas were bad for EVERYONE, but often it is suggested to me to stop worrying about the small affiliates, and then of course there is the excuses (Well we won't use the term against you....")

    And now every few weeks there are posts where people aren't getting paid and getting their payments delayed and even getting their accounts closed for not meeting quotas....

    Not sure if you have notified Andy or have them looking into this already or not, but I am very interested in what the full story is here sine I will pull them immediately if they are now instituing a retroactive quota of ANY kind.

    As affiliates we send visitors to your properties, in the hopes that your casino will convert them and treat them right....

    We deserve to get paid for that whether we send you 1000 players or ONE (1) player...PERIOD!

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    running out of casino programs to trust. thanks for the heads up

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    I posted on this subject on CAP, so i figure il add my responce here as well. There's quiet alot of chat about this on the forums at the moment, smoke + fire anyone???...
    My post on CAP -

    "Well what would you know, a player who put me -$5000(minus) in the red in july, but came back and played back around $9000 in august has asked for his account to be closed ;p .. so i have to wait 6 months for my earnings from this player...again. That makes it around 7 locked accounts in 8 months and 2 chargebacks. I had already dropped most of my links to the wagershae brands months ago due to strange goings on with these account. This morning i finished off removing them all.
    What made me laugh a little was the email my am sent me after i enquired. Obviously he explained how the player closed his account due to excessive play and id had to wait 6 months blah blah.. but in the closing paragraph, he encouraged me to give spin palace a push this month, due to the adverts that will be running on tv here in the UK. So they (spin, Betway) are spending huge amounts of money on tv adverts and PPC campaign (yeey...lets bid on every keyword...doh) so i guess they have to balance the budget somehow...why not defer payments for a bunch of smaller affiliates, and we can even say a few players charged back their deposits....great idea boss... yuck..
    Id just like to say this is my opinion. I am not accusing wagershare of any foulplay. My am, Robert Miller, has always been very quick to respond to queries and helpful with providing content and materials."

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    Nearly all my earnings over recent months have been wiped out due to locked players.

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    I pulled them close to 2 years ago except for Betway on a free chips site.I keep Betway up as it was always a good converter for me and I need to send a trickle of players to them so they keep paying me on my big 2008 player on Mummys Gold.They dropped me to 25% which is why we originally dropped them but looks like it saved me in the long run.

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    Another disgraceful program added to the many in the industry. Maybe well see them at one of the IGB conferences.

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    and no comments from the affiliate program.

    they should rebrand to wagerborrow or wagertheft

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    Quote Originally Posted by grem View Post
    and no comments from the affiliate program.

    they should rebrand to wagerborrow or wagertheft
    Lol, but looks like someone beat you too it, found this today...


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    So far WagerShare seem to have ignored these forum posts about locked players over the past few months, so I hope itsblitz's blog post (link below) may get a response since it's more public.

    http://www.casinoslotsadvice.co.uk/w...-warning.html/

    On itsblitz's post I've added a screenshot of my own stats showing over 40% of my player's accounts are locked from the past 3 months!

    I encourage anyone with similar locked account problems to also post them on that public page in the hope of getting more attention to this situation which is obviously not natural player activity (self-locking they tell me!).

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    bonustreak: Well, same **** here... after "Penguin" many rats contacted me about traffic etc, not only Wagershare. When you had traffic, everything is OK and you'r the best affiliate, when you have problems, expect percentages drops, despite the deals. Good point: thanks to google, now I know who is who. Bad point: Many affiliate programs I trusted (as well as 90% of the people on this forum) I can not trust any longer.

    PS: But, there are an affiliate programs and managers who fully understand the market, what is happening in the SEO world etc, and who support the webmasters in hard times!
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    I don't promote them but they did contact me recently to add them - will send them this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALEX777 View Post
    PS: But, there are an affiliate programs and managers who fully understand the market, what is happening in the SEO world etc, and who support the webmasters in hard times!
    Great point, with so many off us relying on organic serp positions in a time like this, the last thing we need is account managers shooting dumb emails like "hey your sending us 10% less traffic than last month, any reason why?" duhhh

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    I dropped them over a year ago.. over very similar issues.
    Way too many 'locked' accounts, way too many chargebacks... and an attitude from the AM's I delt with that they were doing me a favor by taking my traffic.

    If a program locks or closes player accounts without a full rational explanation... IMO they are stealing from you and you should drop them as fast as possible.

    There is no reason why the casino can not provide the affiliate all the information about the affilaites locked/closed players, including name and address.

    If the casinos really want "partners" then they should treat us like real partners and not just give lip service.
    If all the casinos want is traffic and they don't want to pay actual revenue sharing.. then they should have to pay for traffic.. like everyone else on the internet has to.

    It makes me sick to see all the FREE traffic these rip-off casinos get from affiliates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsblitz View Post
    Great point, with so many off us relying on organic serp positions in a time like this, the last thing we need is account managers shooting dumb emails like "hey your sending us 10% less traffic than last month, any reason why?" duhhh
    It's OK if they only ask, but when they start their little dirty and cheap psychological tricks,... like, threatening to drop your percentage, it's disgusting.

    And this, "hey your sending us 10% less traffic than last month, any reason why?" is something funny, 10% - WOW, amazing numbers... LOL.

    PS: But I guess it's very hard for affiliate programs to find an experienced and wise affiliate manager, that's why we are dealing with such a mess and unprofessionalism, time to time, and sometimes very often.

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    Hi

    I dont work for wagershare, but in my experience as an affiliate manager players self lock, or they ask for help to quit gaming and the only help a responsible casino can give is to lock their account: it is more common than you think...40% as I've read is a bit too high, and of course the answer can't be self locking in your case: it should be looked more deeply...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALEX777 View Post
    bonustreak: Well, same **** here... after "Penguin" many rats contacted me about traffic etc, not only Wagershare. When you had traffic, everything is OK and you'r the best affiliate, when you have problems, expect percentages drops, despite the deals. Good point: thanks to google, now I know who is who. Bad point: Many affiliate programs I trusted (as well as 90% of the people on this forum) I can not trust any longer.

    PS: But, there are an affiliate programs and managers who fully understand the market, what is happening in the SEO world etc, and who support the webmasters in hard times!
    Well said!! Yeah I had a site hit real hard from Panda/Penguin - dropped from around 200 deposits - 50 deposits and the same thing happened. Luckily I have 2-3 great AMs who understood - and one of them had their SEO team help us and has really moved up to he front to assist and understood. DId not drop percentages and understood...

    As for the rest - most couldn't give a **** and just say they are concerned with lower deposits and are leaning towards to threats of dropped percentages - I axed them immediately.

    Luckily I am seeing some shifts and improvements and have been working day and night to fix all my sites to avoid this happening again. Those programs who cared enough to help will get double exposure - those who couldn't care less can kiss my arse

    They only look at month to month results - I mean if I was sending 50 plus per month for a year and then dropped to 10/month in April and during this time is when Panda hit don't they think?

    If i were an AM i would help my affiliates as much as possible and make gains afterwards when they fix the issues..

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