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    Default WARNING Gaming promo / City club casino not paying

    HI Guys,

    Just to let you know, we have been working with gaming promo for a very long time and were addressed with issues in the past that unfortunately as of now keeps on reoccurring.

    Gaming Promo affiliate program of City Club Casino will not pay you commission if for one month you stop bringing them players. We had then a written agreement via email that confirmed they would waiver that for us and pay us.

    Today, Gaming Promo / City Club Casino owe us $1.757

    Their affiliate manager Nir Katshal told us that their boss Yehoram will not pay us.

    We are extremely disturb by it especially when we are the marketing company that revamp their site 1 year ago as a favour.

    Is Gaming Promo in financial difficulty? Be aware affiliates.

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    Gaming Promo was one of the very first programs to start a quota....and that is when many many of us stopped promoting them....YEARS AGO!

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    Thanks for reminding me that they owe me $1,186.45 and I want it. Over $600 of that balance is due from last NOVEMBER, 2008 and the rest is from June & August 2009.

    This is really getting totally out of hand. Having to hunt down and beg for payment is just unbelievable.

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    Just checked my email and recieved this email at two different (fairly new) addresses.

    Perfect timing guys as I sent one email today regarding my payment due, but I'll be sure to contact you as well.

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    Hi,

    My name is xxxxi, an Affiliate Manager at Gamingpromo.com. Gaming Promo has the best rates and commission structures available anywhere today.

    As a new affiliate, I’d like to offer you a 70% Rev Share on your first month, followed by 60% and 50% for each consecutive month accordingly.

    If you are more interested in a CPA deal, then we have very high offers to offer you according to your market! Our ever growing conversion and retention rates are some of the highest in the industry.

    I would like to offer you to partner with us in order to construct a profitable business partnership and promote our brand City Club Casino.

    I will need you to open up an account TODAY using the following link, xhttp://gamingpromo.com/index.php?XXXXX .

    Please contact me as soon as you have received this mail so we can discuss further details.

    Kind regards,

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    Ok, It appears that I CAN GET PAID, but I need someone from Europe to accept the funds for me and then send to me. Anyone able to assist me with this?

    I also wanted to thank Nir, who is a really good guy, for contacting me.

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    I can help you if you like Robin.

    Let me know.
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    Thanks Paul!

    I'll PM you with details once I see what I need from you. I appreciate you offering to help me.

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    No worries Robin, if i can help i am happy too.
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    I've asked Nir to contact you Paul so that I don't have to see any of the personal details as I've never had to rely on another to get paid and want to respect your privacy.

    Let me know what you need from me. I will like to give you a fee for helping me do this and I won't take NO for an answer so don't even go there.

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    Ok Robin, no probs, i would have no probs with you having my details anyway btw

    So you wont take no for an answer hey? I shall have to think of a way to re-word no then!
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    LOL I've always had a problem with accepting the word NO so good luck with that!

    I was thinking of having Fed Ex do a pick up as I have an account with them. Will that work for you?

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    Ok Robin, no probs, i would have no probs with you having my details anyway btw

    So you wont take no for an answer hey? I shall have to think of a way to re-word no then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamTrak View Post
    LOL I've always had a problem with accepting the word NO so good luck with that!

    I was thinking of having Fed Ex do a pick up as I have an account with them. Will that work for you?
    I am easy on.

    I can always do a paypal transfer for you if that would work better?

    What ever suits you best.
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    DUH! Pay pal it is. Us women always make things complicated. LOL

    That way I can always refuse any amount that don't have what I want to give you to deducted! Perfect!

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    I can always do a paypal transfer for you if that would work better?

    What ever suits you best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamTrak View Post
    Thanks for reminding me that they owe me $1,186.45 and I want it. Over $600 of that balance is due from last NOVEMBER, 2008 and the rest is from June & August 2009.

    This is really getting totally out of hand. Having to hunt down and beg for payment is just unbelievable.

    Were you still promoting them on your site? Did they tell you that because you did not bring a player for one month then you won't get pay anymore?
    It is sad that operators do that to affiliate, as we brought them the clients, they make money and on the top of it, they don t want to pay.

    Just a reminder they would not have had that money in the i first place if we did not bring them the player!

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    Hi Pokerpros,

    First thanks for 'reminding' me of my situation with GG. What happened was I knew about them not sending funds to the US back last year and forgot.

    When I saw your post I checked my account and YES I had still been promoting them and still am due to the fact that they worked with me to get paid.

    Granted I have to jump thru hoops, but after what Grand Prive did to me I'm thankful to even have an OPTION to get paid.

    Good luck with your issue.


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    Were you still promoting them on your site? Did they tell you that because you did not bring a player for one month then you won't get pay anymore?
    It is sad that operators do that to affiliate, as we brought them the clients, they make money and on the top of it, they don t want to pay.

    Just a reminder they would not have had that money in the i first place if we did not bring them the player!

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    Sirs,

    Following our investigation into your claim for sum of $1747, we would
    like to say the following:

    1) It is plain incorrect to state as fact that Gamingpromo/City Club Casino "will not pay you commission if for one month you stop bringing them players". This quota used to exist in the old terms of service because this plan does not have a negative carryover. Currently the old terms of service applies for all affiliates who have signed up before 13th November 2008 and who have not explicitly opted for the new terms of service. The following mail is an explanation of why this is the case with your account specifically. Affiliates who signed up after November 13th 2008 are enrolled under the new terms of service that does NOT have the minimum conversion quota.

    2) You have stated in previous email that Noemie has offered you a
    special deal in November 2008 and that you replied by email and agreed.
    We have retrieved all of Noemie's archived email communications with
    you. Your conversation with Noemie went as follows:

    a) On 10th November, Noemie offered you a new arrangement,
    specifically mentioning that this arrangement is available to you
    if you resume cooperation. Your only reply to that was "Now we are
    talking." Noemie then informed you on the same day that she will
    adjust your account according to the new arrangement so that the
    new terms of service become effective whenever you resume your
    traffic campaigns with us. She also asked you what kind of
    materials (creative etc) you require to restart the mailing campaigns.
    b) You have replied on 11th November that you are too busy and that
    Noemie should contact you by next Wednesday.
    c) On 16th November Noemie has emailed you again, letting you know
    that she would like to meet you in Paris within two weeks, and
    also turned over the contact information for her successor Nir
    Katshal. You have never replied to that email.
    d) On December 12 Noemie has emailed you again, laying out the
    specifics of the proposed deal, and specifically mentioning that
    she awaits for your reply. You have never replied to that email.

    During the email interchange, it was specifically mentioned by Noemie
    that the new arrangement is conditioned upon you resuming your email
    campaigns which have been effective in the past (we are talking about
    200+ players monthly). Since then you have done no such thing, and the
    new players coming from your affiliate account since November vary from
    0 to 1 players per month, which is indeed very far away from 200
    players. We are forced to consider your affiliate activity for players
    you have sent since November 2008 as residual traffic, and not an
    outcome of your normal email campaigns.

    We are unable to locate any communication in which you agree to the new
    arrangements, and we are unable to say that you followed the conditions
    that Noemie attached to the offer regardless of whether there was a
    bilateral agreement between Noemie and you or not. We will gladly publish the email conversations (in French) should you wish us to do so.

    Please send us any relevant documentation in your possession that shows

    a) That you have explicitly consented to the offer Noemie made
    b) That you have followed through on the conditions specified in the offer

    3) We are not sure specifically how you arrived at the sum of $1747.
    Please show us how this sum was calculated, and specifically what
    periods it covers.

    4) Under the assumption that out position is true and there is no
    mistake of fact or judgment, you are entitled to affiliate fees under
    the pre-Nov 2008 terms of service as per
    http://www.cityclubcasino.com/external_adv/_terms.php section 4.3: "We
    will pay your fees on a monthly basis on the basis that you have
    referred at least 1 new depositing player during the payment month."
    We have paid you on the basis of these terms for every
    single month in which you brought at least one player. It follows that
    your claim of $1747 belongs to the months in which you have not sent any
    conversions our way. You are not entitled to affiliate fees for these
    months as you waived that entitlement when you initially signed up with
    Gamingpromo 2007 under the old terms of service, as you have certainly
    enjoyed the benefit of no negative carryover arrangement.

    From where we stand, it appears that you are mistakenly interpreting
    Noemie's offer to you as a deal that was closed and done, and on top of
    that you have not followed through on the conditions attached to said
    deal. It follows then that unless you are able to explain us where the
    $1747 fee comes from and at which exact point of time you agreed to
    Noemie's offer and at which exact point of time you followed through on
    the conditions of said offer, you are still bound by the original 2007
    terms of service and therefore you are not entitled to the $1747 fee you
    claim.

    That notwithstanding, we would like to prevent chance unpleasantness and
    we therefore ask you to examine this response and let us know if you
    believe we are wrong in our recollection of facts our application of
    judgment. We reserve the faith that the whole matter may be an instance
    of miss communication.

    NB: We would like to assure our affiliates that the speculation the
    original poster makes in this post (namely that Gamingpromo may be "in
    financial difficulty") are plain untrue. In fact, Gamingpromo has been
    and is actively recruiting new people, since our business is going
    upwards and not the other way.


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    Currently the old terms of service applies for all affiliates
    It's ironic that you would choose to "selectively" decide when terms would be applied retroactively or not.

    What about the affiliates that signed up before the "quota" term was added to the terms of service?

    At the time that term was added, the term was forced on to all affiliates whether they agreed to it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamTrak View Post
    LOL I've always had a problem with accepting the word NO so good luck with that!

    I was thinking of having Fed Ex do a pick up as I have an account with them. Will that work for you?
    Quote Originally Posted by GamTrak View Post
    DUH! Pay pal it is. Us women always make things complicated. LOL

    That way I can always refuse any amount that don't have what I want to give you to deducted! Perfect!
    GRRRRRR I can see some funds going back and forth with pay pal
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    Damn YOU'RE good! You WIN. This time!

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    GRRRRRR I can see some funds going back and forth with pay pal

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    Nir, not wishing to be nasty or anything of the sort as i do not deal with yourselves and not wishing to make a comment on the actual basis of this thread, however, i have to make a point!

    Any program is that has a term forcing an affiliate to refer a minimum amount of players each month to be paid on their existing referrals is a BAD program in my eyes!

    If i ever get the chance to make a stand against this type of term whether retrospectivelly or not, believe me i will!

    Some people have set their business up on the basis that when they retire they will have a steady stream of income for their retirement! Terms like this will finish this idea for many people and are very very unfair!

    Another point is this, what about small affiliates who may only be able to refer a player once every couple of months to some rooms? They may as well not bother at all with any program that has this type of term.
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