WARNING Gaming promo / City club casino not paying

[universal4]

My original signup date was the 23rd of July 2003, and the "quota" term was added quite a bit after that.

In fact we had a rather lengthy discussion about the terms changes in March through July 2005. (I had to dig through the archives for it, but found at least one discussion, although I am sure it wasn't the only one...)

At that time, Gaming Promo had no intention of allowing affiliates to continue to market their products based upon the terms and conditions that they had signed up for, and at that time, we considered Gaming Promo to have made one of the worst ever "breaches of contract" that most affiliates would see for quite a number of years to come.

So, if you think you can hold an affiliate to a term that existed during a very specific time frame, then affiliates should hold YOU to terms that existed when they signed up!!

Rick
Universal4

[Chalkie]

Damn YOU'RE good! You WIN. This time!

TE HE, but i am sure you will beat me more times than not!

I will just have to be on the look out for your revenge

[GamTrak]

Very good points Chalkie and Rick. I'm hopeful that GamingPromo will understand what you say and work on a solution for it.

Nir, not wishing to be nasty or anything of the sort as i do not deal with yourselves and not wishing to make a comment on the actual basis of this thread, however, i have to make a point!

Any program is that has a term forcing an affiliate to refer a minimum amount of players each month to be paid on their existing referrals is a BAD program in my eyes!

If i ever get the chance to make a stand against this type of term whether retrospectivelly or not, believe me i will!

Some people have set their business up on the basis that when they retire they will have a steady stream of income for their retirement! Terms like this will finish this idea for many people and are very very unfair!

Another point is this, what about small affiliates who may only be able to refer a player once every couple of months to some rooms? They may as well not bother at all with any program that has this type of term.

[Nir]

Gamingpromo provides 3 major plans that you can choose from.
Plan A: offers the best revenues in the industry for affiliates that can derive lots of players.
With no negative carry over.
Depositing players per month
1-10 35%
11-25 40%
26-50 45%
51-100 50%
101 - 200 60%
201 and higher 70%

As long you deliver at least 1 new depositing player per month you can keep your percentage.
This plan is suitable for affiliates that bring in new players on a constant basis.

Upon request – Affiliates eligible change their plan only once during their partnership with gamingpromo.
Plan B: was created on September 05, 2007 to meet the needs of affiliates that receive medium to low volumes of traffic, but want to keep their revenues, with no obligation to deliver new depositing players each month.
Plan B is also suitable for affiliates that used to be in Plan A, particularly when their volume of traffic is infrequent or has decreased. with negative carry over.
Depositing players per month
0 20%
1-10 30%
11-25 35%
26-50 40%
51-100 45%
101 – 200 50%

Plan C - was created on November 13th 2008 and is only available for new affiliates and new companies that signed up since its creation.
As you can read at :
http://www.cityclubcasino.com/extern...advantages.php

Gamingpromo is obligated to keep affiliates who signed up prior to November 13th 2008, bound to the terms and conditions they received upon signup.
Each plan has its advantages. GamingPromo takes full responsibility for the terms and conditions

[universal4]

The above terms is NOT how it was in 2003.....

We know this to be true, but you are totally ignoring THAT ISSUE and now trying to hold affiliates to terms that were instituted (in many cases) after they had already agreed to a previous set of terms, which place YOU in breach of terms years before.

Bytheway, this is why you didn't get your forum here back in 2005 when you were trying to.

Rick
Universal4

[Chalkie]

So you have a sliding scale for the sliding scale really then!

Although i appreciate that you are giving affiliates a choice of the 2 options i still feel that it is a little biased towards yourselves!

Like you only allow 1 change in options in an affiliates lifetime! Why? Why not allow changes whenever required? and because it would take too much admin is not an answer really! This seems to be putting a banana skin down for people.

Why not just make your sliding scale a single sliding scale? Instead of confusing it?

Perhaps the plan A should start a little lower but incorporate the 0 players per month instead of 1 player per month.

This is of course all aside from the retrospective change of terms which should not ever happen!

Just a few thoughts on the issue and like i say not taking a swipe.

Gamingpromo provides 3 major plans that you can choose from.
Plan A: offers the best revenues in the industry for affiliates that can derive lots of players.
With no negative carry over.
Depositing players per month
1-10 35%
11-25 40%
26-50 45%
51-100 50%
101 - 200 60%
201 and higher 70%

As long you deliver at least 1 new depositing player per month you can keep your percentage.
This plan is suitable for affiliates that bring in new players on a constant basis.

Upon request – Affiliates eligible change their plan only once during their partnership with gamingpromo.
Plan B: was created on September 05, 2007 to meet the needs of affiliates that receive medium to low volumes of traffic, but want to keep their revenues, with no obligation to deliver new depositing players each month.
Plan B is also suitable for affiliates that used to be in Plan A, particularly when their volume of traffic is infrequent or has decreased. with negative carry over.
Depositing players per month
0 20%
1-10 30%
11-25 35%
26-50 40%
51-100 45%
101 – 200 50%

Plan C - was created on November 13th 2008 and is only available for new affiliates and new companies that signed up since its creation.
As you can read at :
http://www.cityclubcasino.com/extern...advantages.php

Gamingpromo is obligated to keep affiliates who signed up prior to November 13th 2008, bound to the terms and conditions they received upon signup.
Each plan has its advantages. GamingPromo takes full responsibility for the terms and conditions

[Dominique]

How strange.

I just got this off the gamingpromo site:



Revenue Share Plan:
Number of Players – Monthly Your Commission From Casino Net Revenue *
0 – 2 10%
3 - 9 25%
10 - 49 30%
50 – 99 35%
100 - 499 40%
500 and up 45%

[Topboss]

I cannot disagree with some of the comments being raised by Rick and Chalkie but I have to add my 2 cents worth regarding Nir himself, as he is only trying to do what is expected of an Affiliate Manager, and that is being loyal to his company and defending them. ( not saying that you are pointing fingers at Nir though because I can see your comments are aimed at gaming promo ) Their terms and conditions are not ideal, but I believe that they have tried to come up with solutions by having different structures in place, which is a hell of a lot more than some of the other affiliate programs of late!!Unfortunately many of these issues were before Nir's time and at least he has the decency to come in here and try and explain the reasoning behind their terms and conditions.
From my side I must admit that I have never had a problem with Gaming Promo. They have always paid me on time, never carried over negatives and have still coughed up despite me not getting any new players some months.
I have always found Nir an absolute pleasure to deal with and I have yet to have a problem that he hasn't been able to solve.
Hey Rick, Just because I have different views doesn't mean you are allowed to switch off my hosting account now

[universal4]

Damn good thing you warned me as I was just about to log into the servers....lol

This has never been directed at Nir, and ONLY at Gaming Promo.

And dear Heather, just because they take care of you does not mean that they will other affiliates.

It's become pretty clear they are witholding payments to many affiliates with this disgusting term.

This is why I fought them tooth and nail back in 2005 since I knew that one day they would start using this term against affiliates.

Back then Shay kept telling us all over and over that the term was only there as a safety feature for the program, and they never had any intention to use it against anyone....and they would never dream about witholding any payments.........and blah blah blah....

Many of us stood very firm on the fact that if the term was there in writing that the day would come when they most certainly would start using it against us...and it is crystal clear we are now there.

Rick
Universal4

[GamTrak]

Hello Nir,

I signed my invoice and submitted it a couple weeks ago. Can you give me status on my payment please?

[GamTrak]

I wanted to update this issue to reflect that Nir AKA [Pro Affiliate Manager Ninja] did arrange for my payment to be sent to Chalkie and all is well & I'm happy! (imagine that) LOL

While I was upset over the fact of them not sending funds to the US I do understand the reasoning and will continue to work with Gaming Promo as I've had a great relationship with them in the past and enjoy working with Nir.

Thanks to Nir, Gaming Promo & Paul!

[universal4]

GaminPromo stated,

Gamingpromo is obligated to keep affiliates who signed up prior to November 13th 2008, bound to the terms and conditions they received upon signup.

Well then, I would like to hold Gaming Promo to the terms that were in effect during 2003 when I signed up!

They were LIFETIME commissions, without a quota established!

The tiers of percentages were a sliding scale based upon NETWIN not number of new players sent!

Rick
Universal4

[affeurope]

Hi
I have just read the posts in this thread
A few things
GamingPromo no longer exists and its properties have moved under a new group AffEurope
Any predatory terms and conditions (including negative carryover) that may have existed with GamingPromo have no
Place in the AffEurope Program

Affeurope is run by different and new owners from GaminngPromo and are proud members of GPWA and Affiliate Guard Dog.
Our affiliate program has no negative carry overs and the net gaming revenue is payable regardless of whether new players have or
Have not entered the casino in a calendar month.

If anyone has an existing issue with AffEurope I am always available to help.

[universal4]

GamingPromo no longer exists and its properties have moved under a new group AffEurope

So this is how you justify screwing over affiliates in the past?

So, does this mean that in the future, after you get enough affiliates to join and start promoting you, that you will add a quota to the terms....and when that makes enough affiliates stop promoting you you will just change the company name again and start the process all over again?

I mean this is what you did this time....

Rick
Universal4

[casinobonusguy]

I find this claim hard to believe since Nir is still their aff manager.How many programs switch to new platform and then hire the aff manager.I may be wrong but very fishy to me.

[affeurope]

Hi
In response to your concerns AffEurope is an affiliate friendly program that operates under strict guidelines to maintain the highest standard of affiliate care. this is verified and monitored by aff gaurd dog.
We offer all affiliates 40% Revenue Share with no negative carry over.
We look forward to working with you and for any individual concerns you may have our affiliate director is happy to discuss them with you direct.
Email support@affeurope.com

[mickey417]

Affeurope are cheaters - especially NIR <removed> - he told me that players from my country are from my family - and they lost 600 usd but CITYCLUB dont pay commis commission!!!

People - watchout on this casino !!!

Here is email from these scammers

Since that date you have had 3 depositors in your affiliate account which are all related to each other.

You're not allowed to play in the casino WITH your tracking\tag on it .

If you want to play in the casino you must use different tracking. -you can't deposit in one side (and lose)AND take commissions in the other side .

Unfortunately this activity in your affiliate account is heavily frowned upon and will not be taken lightly.

Due to the fact that this activity continued after the conversation and no real attempt to send acceptable amounts of traffic were made, we have decided to close your account with us.

You and your family are of course more than welcome to continue playing with our brands if you wish. However NO commission will be paid on the losses.

We wish you the best of luck for the future .

Thank you.
Nir

[thepokerkeep]

Mods,

Please delete nir's last name from this thread.


mickey417,

From the wording in the email you are pasting here, it looks like you were warned to stop the fraudulent behavior but failed to do so.

Read the T&C's, it is not permitted to either play under your own affiliate account or sign up immediate family members.

he told me that players from my country are from my family

[Topboss]

Mickey, I am afraid I have to agree with Terry.
Most casinos don't allow affiliates or their families to play under their own affiliate ids , and it does sound like they did warn you about it, so I am afraid in this instance I have to be on the side of the casino.

[universal4]

Well I am TOTALLY against GamingPromo re-inventing themselves and creating a new company name, just so they can now force existing affiliates to agree to a NEW Terms of Service.

The ONLY reason this was done is because they no longer wanted to allow affiliates to market the properties under the terms of service that they signed up for.

They tried the BS of forciong affiliates to work under the terms that were in place in 2005 but did not want to honor their original terms and then offered a NEW SET of terms, neither of which matched the terms many affiliates signed up for in 2003 and 2004.

They left the GPWA back in 2005 or maybe 2006 because they just weren't having a happy time here, mostly because they would NOT come to the table and discuss the terms changes and the quota that was added.

Now all of a sudden they think it's ok to just change their name, release a whole new set of terms, and then everyone will be happy with whatever BS they dish out....

I am not sure which side of the above issue I am on, but it's pretty clear they are using strong-arm tactics in trying to get the affiliate to start sending 200+ players a month, and anything less means they jeopardize losing their affiliate account.

If in fact the 3 players in question are the affy's family then that could be an issue, but those 3 players could be removed and the affiliate could still promote them, butthe only option they even offered was closing the account.

If the affiliate was warned and continued to promote to family, then they have a more solid case, but it was very clear they were only interested in the honoring the agreement with the affiliate if they did in fact start sending 200+ players a month.

Like I said, I have not decided which side of this particular issue I am on since I do not have all the FACTS, but the attitude I see coming from AffEurope appears to be the same one that created the entire quota and controversy with GamingPromo years ago.

Rick
Universal4