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    Hello,

    A warning note to the community, we promoted the LuckyBet brand (BetConstruct platform) the year before, but recently a couple of our players (poker players) were blocked and their profits were confiscated.

    The complete case can be read on our website, but in short:


    • The players were from Russia and other European countries, and they reached the network to use a VPN (this is from their T&C):

    T and C :
    2.4. Within the fair play, the using of software and devices generating IP addresses (VPN, Proxy etc.) must be agreed with the company by e-mail: support@Luckybet.com
    • LuckyBet argument is that the players were using the same IP address. The accusation is not related to collusion, chip dumping or any other illegal behavior.
    • The players don't know each other, they even play different disciplines and stakes.
    • The confiscated money is over $4kUSD
    • The site is even refusing to pay the affiliate commission; as far as we know, other affiliates have not been paid to.
    • Our conclusion is that the room found an excuse to block winning players.
    • We waited 2 months before making this case public.
    • According to their T&C, they have the right to ask for more information to the players if a problem with IP arises, but only to confirm players identity and ask for more information, not block the account and confiscate money:

    Luckybet.com strictly prohibits two or more Users to place bets from one IP-address (from the same computer or the same local area network) in order to avoid suspicion of collusion (cheating). In such cases it is necessary to reconcile the possibility of the game with Luckybet by explaining the circumstances. Luckybet has the right to block the account of such a User and ask them to send any documents verifying their registered identity.
    In short, we don’t recommend any webmasters work with this rogue operator

    https://en.worldpokerdeals.com/blog/...y-confiscation
    Last edited by Vargoso; 24 February 2019 at 5:51 am. Reason: Add more information.
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    "Our conclusion is that the room found an excuse to block winning players."

    Sorry, from the perspective of Lucky Bet cannot see a logic behind this, because according to your statement, the people in question are "poker players", and with a lot of money on their accounts they are rake-producing-machines. I never understood, why Poker Rooms have to cheat, because they of all people can lay back and see the money rolling in without any risk.

    With respect to Russia and the same IP addresses. Well, Russia unfortunately has not a very good reputation on the internet in general, for good reasons.

    There are fine people from that wonderful country like Moonlight Cat here in the forum, but I believe, any operator cannot sleep well, if a couple of Russians with the same IP address are in his virtual home, regardless, if it is a VPN connection to overcome the censorship or other reasons.

    On the other side, if they official allow the players to pay with Russian Rubles, which is the case with Lucky Bet, then they cannot complain about some usual (VPN) connections, unless they are frauds or complete idiots and have absolutely no idea about the political system in Russia, that Putin did not fight gambling in Russia, because he hates it.

    He did it, because his plan is to build a new Las Vegas in Crimea, which will be opened probably this year.

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    Just checked with other affiliates and no one is getting paid (including PAW). They also confiscate sport betting players winnings
    https://bookmaker-ratings.ru/review/...tory-luckybet/

    Regarding the bad reputation of Russian players. I understand what you mean but its not the case here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    "Our conclusion is that the room found an excuse to block winning players."

    Sorry, from the perspective of Lucky Bet cannot see a logic behind this, because according to your statement, the people in question are "poker players", and with a lot of money on their accounts they are rake-producing-machines. I never understood, why Poker Rooms have to cheat, because they of all people can lay back and see the money rolling in without any risk.

    Not necessarily a winning poker player is a rake machine; for example (I don't know if this is the case), if a player just sits down and bumhunt for fish, and he withdraws lots of money without making good rake, the player is actually making the poker room to lose money. When a site takes a deposit or process a withdrawal, they pay a fee to the payment processor; usually, the player doesn't see this (the poker room cover those costs hoping the player rake cover this).

    Let's say he deposits $2kUSD, won another $2kUSD at the tables, make a rake of $150 and then he withdraws $2k. For deposits and withdrawals commissions, the poker room probably paid $200+/-. Now consider rakeback, first deposit promotions, etc. Some sites even ask for a minimum rake before processing a withdrawal, or asks the player to cover the payment solution fees, but is not very common.
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    On the top poker rooms are not happy with sharks waiting for fishes who lose right away.
    Then occurs:
    1. Rakes are much lower, because everybody loses everything fast
    2. Fishes do not want to return if they do not win

    Bovada wrote openly they do not want pros if I remember.
    We are all bloodsucking ticks, hungry, devious
    each one latched on to the ass of the previous
    when the last and the first latch on it can be shown
    ass-blood sucked by the first from the last is his own

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    Hi Vargoso,

    almost everyone in Poker is claiming, that he is no fish but a shark. Also many anonymous sucker in this industry makes other people believe on forums, conferences or whatsoever, that they are successful.

    In both scenarios many, many ..., many times the opposite is the case.

    The circumstances, that someone has a huge or medium bankroll, is no evidence, that he is a winner. I have seen and heard so many fake stories from Poker players and frauds, that in the meantime I really believe, a large part of Poker players are suffering under more mental illness than some classic casino games player.

    Your rake example in general is right, but it's from mathematically perspective a fallacy, because even a good player cannot sit and play alone at the table, and his winnings must be bet by other people, that he can win that money, third party persons, who are also generating rake.

    A player with $10 in his account cannot produce rake, and I mean the rake from other people who want to bet against him.

    It's a fallacy.

    But in this case I tend to the opinion, that Lucky Bet is foul playing for whatever reasons as 80+% of all programs doing it, later or sooner, because also here, the laws of math tell us, that too many programs on the market and even opening within a too short period of time, at the same time, with a liqueur license and lousy financial basis cannot generate a profit legally.

    Leopold
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    I added the link in iamlonga's post above as it shows there are others who have also had funds confiscated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post


    He did it, because his plan is to build a new Las Vegas in Crimea, which will be opened probably this year.
    Really? He must be mad, Crimea is probably boycotted by everyone rn

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    "Crimea is probably boycotted by everyone"

    Why?

    Only because Nikita Chruschtschow 1954 - totally drunk - gave Crimea to USSR satellite Ukraine?

    After the coup 5 years ago in Ukraine against a democratically elected president, proven initiated by USA and NATO to fulfill their dangerous and insane eastward expansion plans and to install an outpost in the Black Sea, 95 % of the people of Crimea voted to be reunited with Russia.

    I dislike Putin probably more than anyone else on the forum, but in this case he's right to defend the people of Russia from the NATO eastward expansion and to defend the Black Sea by all available means, because Obama the Nobel Peace Prize shame and Hillary Clinton have started more wars and coups than any other WH rulers in the past.

    He's right, and only the fake news propaganda keeps the myth from the (only who are allegedly bad) Russians in the Ukraine conflict alive.

    So why should Crimea boycotted as a gambling paradise?

    All oligarchs will be happy to play there, also rich people from all over the world.
    The Russian people are made for gambling.
    And with the wonderful culture of the country and the hospitality of the Russian people, I believe, it can be a great competition to the Wall Street Casinos in Vegas.

    And highroller players from Russia do no longer need to play in online casinos like Luckybet.

    Leopold

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    hello everyone.

    Rodion and Alexey,
    You have brought to us several players, that played through identical IP addresses, and when we informed you guys, you didn't accept or didn't care about this issue.

    Since we need to protect our selfs against inapropriate players, we had to take actions.

    I suggest that before we compalint, we check, before we say anything we talk to the company.


    IamLonga i'm the VP there , if you have any issue, pleae feel free to contact me affiliates at luckybet dot com it will go directly to my inbox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    On the top poker rooms are not happy with sharks waiting for fishes who lose right away.
    Then occurs:
    1. Rakes are much lower, because everybody loses everything fast
    2. Fishes do not want to return if they do not win

    Bovada wrote openly they do not want pros if I remember.

    Bovada and all the other PWL Network sites have long since adopted the "recreational poker model". This poker model does not pass out rewards to winning players, but to losing players. Keeping the money in circulation and keeping the recreational players playing longer.

    Short sited pros view this as a loss of rewards, but the smart players realize that if the rewards go into the hands of the fish, they can continue to simply win them. And with very little competition from other professional poker grinders.

    PWL does not ban winning poker players, but they design their software to dissuade pros from playing. Anonymous tables so fish can not be tracked, forced seating so pros are not fighting over the Jesus seat, lobbies without tables listed so that players can not watch and bum hunt, and more.

    I like the recreational model as a poker player, and as an affiliate.
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    We have bullet-proof revenue-share deals on online poker networks that:
    A) no longer allow them
    B) do not like winning poker players
    C) charge insane fees

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    Aha. Thanks for clarification what exactly the recerational model is. My bad, I thought it is the same model as in sports.
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    The market has changed a lot since we wrote this post, now the recreational model @PROFRB is kinda the rule, even for the new-wave poker apps.

    Many poker sites have not only implemented "anti-reg" features on the software as the listed above, but also in their rules:

    - Preflop charts are being prohibited (charts that assists the players to take decisions on what cards to play or discard)
    - Bumhunting is prohibited (to hunt for recreational players and play them only, if a pro seats, leave a table)
    - Indirect rake distribution schemes were implemented (rake is assigned to players not weight contributed, but considering other factors like profit, bonuses, etc.)
    - Action is being charged (if the player wins, the club keeps a %, if the player loss, the club gives a % back)
    - Third party software is being banned and GTO tools as wells (GTO is a theory to play "perfect poker")


    And many other things. We also consider this a good thing overall for the poker industry, but it's important that the site states their attitude towards regs openly in the T&C.

    This can be very successful for everyone, as the case of GGPoker, a network with many "anti-reg" features implemented from day 0 which is now one of the biggest in the world. The model proved to be good for the site, players, and affiliates.
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