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    Smile Welcome Ball2Win Affiliates to the community as a Platinum sponsor!


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    Please give a warm welcome to Ball2Win Affiliates!
    We are pleased to welcome them to the GPWA community as a Platinum sponsor!


    A little about the program:

    Ball2win offers players a sportsbook, casino and bingo room, with affiliates earning up to 40 percent commission on referrals with no limit on how much you can earn. All sports events, data feeding, and new games R&D are managed by experts from the industry, and the Ball2win Affiliates team will answer any question within 48 hours. Ball2Win is powered by UltraPlay and does not accept U.S. players.


    Affiliate Program Management:
    >> Jason Tan, Affiliate Manager - Jason goes by ball2win_affiliate in the forum and can be reached by email at jason@ball2win.com.
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    Thank you Anthony, for the quick action

    I am Jason Tan from ball2win, the affiliate manager. So guys if you have any questions you know who you should contact.

    I will be here most likely 6-7 days a week here.

    Today is first day of the year, and the first day of Ball2win Affiliate at GPWA, let's celebrate!

    Happy New Year to everyone!

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    Thank you, Anthony! Happy New Year! Thank you, Jason, our hard working guy. Happy New Year to you!

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    Hello Ball2win Affiliates. Welcome to GPWA Forum!

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    Hello Ball2Win - welcome to the GPWA site. Congratulations on qualifying to become a PLATINUM sponsor for the GPWA.
    You must be proud to have come so far so quickly ...


    The introduction is interesting but lacks a lot of tangible details. Your location is set as Macau in your profile, while Ball2Win appears to have a Nicosia, Cyprus address with Curacao e-gaming compliance (whatever that is).

    The GPWA affiliate program review is no better - telling us some affiliate details about cookies etc - but very little about the operation itself.

    We have significant asian readership that might be a match for your program ... but it appears from the research I've done that the Ball2Win.com site, the affiliate program, in fact everything about ball2win looks to be about a month old - is that correct?

    Perhaps you could provide some information on :

    Ball2Win Gambling Licenses?
    Excluded countries? United States ... others? Macau? China?
    Longevity of Ball2Win casino/ sportsbook?
    Longevity of Ball2Win affiliate program?
    Size of affiliate program - specifically number of staff?

    Finally I see that you have an endorsement from a Joseph Whelan (probably not the failed UK X factor contestant) on the front page of your affiliate program who already thinks that "Ball2win offers the most rewarding and fair program throughout the industry".

    Really? Who is this Joseph Whelan - does he have an affiliate site?
    Adding fictional "puffery" to the front page of your affiliate program does you no credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    Hello Ball2Win - welcome to the GPWA site. Congratulations on qualifying to become a PLATINUM sponsor for the GPWA.
    You must be proud to have come so far so quickly ...


    The introduction is interesting but lacks a lot of tangible details. Your location is set as Macau in your profile, while Ball2Win appears to have a Nicosia, Cyprus address with Curacao e-gaming compliance (whatever that is).

    The GPWA affiliate program review is no better - telling us some affiliate details about cookies etc - but very little about the operation itself.

    We have significant asian readership that might be a match for your program ... but it appears from the research I've done that the Ball2Win.com site, the affiliate program, in fact everything about ball2win looks to be about a month old - is that correct?

    Perhaps you could provide some information on :

    Ball2Win Gambling Licenses?
    Excluded countries? United States ... others? Macau? China?
    Longevity of Ball2Win casino/ sportsbook?
    Longevity of Ball2Win affiliate program?
    Size of affiliate program - specifically number of staff?

    Finally I see that you have an endorsement from a Joseph Whelan (probably not the failed UK X factor contestant) on the front page of your affiliate program who already thinks that "Ball2win offers the most rewarding and fair program throughout the industry".

    Really? Who is this Joseph Whelan - does he have an affiliate site?
    Adding fictional "puffery" to the front page of your affiliate program does you no credit.

    Hi, TheGooner,

    Thank you for a very serious post! I think, if you have such kinds concerns, and others may have too.

    Brief introduction of me:
    About half of time, I stay in Macau. In Asia, Macau is one of the places online gambling is not illegal. Otherwise, I will set my location where I spend the another half of time. The fact is in most of Asia countries today, this industry still belongs to grey area.

    We are licensed at Curacao, as appear in our homepage, you can make a verification any time if you think it's necessary;

    As for Cyprus company, I make the long story short. In order to get a proper PSP (Payment service Provider) to provide us service, we are asked to incorporate an EU company for the settlement...

    [We have that because we don't want to deal with those not so proper PSP, for the fund security reasons]

    1) About the Age of Ball2win.com and the affiliate program.
    We officially launched on 18th Dec 2013, which is about two weeks ago. Our sportsbook and Casino are launched same time. We are new a company operated by experienced team, some members in this business since 2005 in Asia. And you should understand that, in Asia, those who in this industry in 2005 can be classified as pioneer level. (5 years younger than bet365)

    The affiliate system is newly designed too. In the market, usually purely either based on revenue itself, or number of players (mostly for poker game). Our program appear simple, still revenue driven (at least I look at it that way), but it requires the number of active players to qualify. I don't want to make a long discussion for that detail, I only can say every small detail in the program, our team made the serious argument. We everyone here should agree that for most of affiliates, once they meet the revenue requirement, they should not have any problem to qualify the relevant number of active players.

    2) Within 2 weeks after launched, we are are here at GPWA for platinum sponsorship, the only reason is that we are serious about our business, very serious.

    3) Our Affiliate team now has 3 persons in charge;

    4) Principally, we don't excluding any countries.

    But in practice, some countries payment are excluded by payment service provider, such as USA, Hongkong and Singapore.
    However, if the clients are BTC players, he can be from anywhere, even from Mars.

    P.S.We have a separate payment system (online banking) for China CNY players, currently is undergoing test, and we will enable it shortly.

    Last not least, the comment of affiliate, that's the real comment we heard from affiliate. And last night, we get another comment from affiliate: Not require new deposit, not require new players, life long fixed commission as long as revenue figure and number active players, that's the very most fair and rewarding offer, unfortunately, he is only for CPA deal, we have a very small minimum deposit requirement, which I think it's not fair for us for CPA deal.

    After all, it's not important how we look at the program, we need market to give us feedback; and it's even not important how other affiliates comment it, it's all about is this affiliate program suitable for you.

    Maybe I should add other details like, once you become our affiliate, you can login at main website, and YOU HAVE SOME AGENT LIKE function, such as CREATE ACCOUNT, you add your client directly under you! Sounds Cool?

    Once again, thank you for all questions, we believe you won't have questions unless you are as serious as us.

    Happy New Year to all.
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    Good luck guys. I like that finally the BTC is listed as another payment method, but your brand focuses on sports. I am afraid I will not support you atm, since it is better to promote brands that are already set-up, but I sincerely wish to you, and other projects like yours, success.

    I do not have a clue about chinese market and I see you have just Chinese and English language. I would like to add one note, that I was talking about elsewhere. Focus (or pay attention) on markets where gambling is restricted. For example my sports websites have a lot of French, Italian and Turkish traffic and not one brand converts there (after the commission lounge ripoff). Visitor from those countries has lower than 10% value compared to UK visitor and I am selling the traffic cheap to agencies. Therefore if I would ever tried to promote BTC, I would start with it at those markets. But then customized websites, banners and CS must work there. I know it is hard and costly. But the one who will go thru this Gordian knot will be the winner and Pioneer 2.0. The problem with those countries also is that BTC is not very popular there.

    Again - I wish you good luck, deep pockets and honesty at affiliate forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    Good luck guys. I like that finally the BTC is listed as another payment method, but your brand focuses on sports. I am afraid I will not support you atm, since it is better to promote brands that are already set-up, but I sincerely wish to you, and other projects like yours, success.

    I do not have a clue about chinese market and I see you have just Chinese and English language. I would like to add one note, that I was talking about elsewhere. Focus (or pay attention) on markets where gambling is restricted. For example my sports websites have a lot of French, Italian and Turkish traffic and not one brand converts there (after the commission lounge ripoff). Visitor from those countries has lower than 10% value compared to UK visitor and I am selling the traffic cheap to agencies. Therefore if I would ever tried to promote BTC, I would start with it at those markets. But then customized websites, banners and CS must work there. I know it is hard and costly. But the one who will go thru this Gordian knot will be the winner and Pioneer 2.0. The problem with those countries also is that BTC is not very popular there.

    Again - I wish you good luck, deep pockets and honesty at affiliate forums.
    Dear Sherlock,

    We currently running 15% FDB promotion campaign for sportsbook, not mean we only care about sportsbook.
    We are preparing the Casino Promotion campaign and we plan to have it within the month.

    About the BTC, I am not sure about the whole world how many sportsbook accept BTC, but I think ball2win maybe one of very few bookmakers accepting BTC for sports betting.

    Boss told us, if clients place 1kg of rice as wager, we settle the payment in terms of rice for him.

    so, BTC for us is just the beginning, in near future we may have other Altercoins accepted by us.

    P.S. your suggestion for focus on market where gambling is restricted is very cool and very inspired. Part of our team running this business purely on illegal market and had lesson written by tears and blood. We need some market share from regulated market to make us sustainable and safe in long run.


    Wish you good luck in the new Year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ball2win_affiliate View Post
    About half of time, I stay in Macau.
    You are lucky. I visited Macau ~ year ago. This is unbelievable city.
    As i know most of world gambling tycoons made they money in Macau.

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    Moonlight, Jason wants to stay Macau all the time. And his wife trust him, but not trust other women at Macau...

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    What happens if my affiliate account shows negative net earnings?

    Your affiliate account will have a negative balance if your customers win more than they lose. This may happen from time to time but generally the collective Sports, Casino Games and Bingo balance will be positive.

    For example, in month 2, your affiliate account might show negative earnings. You would not be asked to repay your commission from the previous month to offset this balance, however, you would be required to wait until new customers (or new activity on existing customers) results in positive net revenue for you to receive your next commission payment.

    Your commission is a percentage of the net profit on your customers. If your net profit is negative or drops below what you have already been paid, you will not receive a new commission payment until your account balance returns to a positive position.
    This is a cryptic way to say you got negative carryover, right?

    With 2-5 active players and net gain $500-$2999, the revenue share is 10%. That's low.

    What's the cookie duration?

    What are the "lifetime" earnings terms and conditions? Having active players? If so, it's redundant, can't be earning money from people who aren't placing a bet anyway. Perhaps you meant new active players every month?

    Do you have full terms & conditions I can read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanHorvat View Post
    This is a cryptic way to say you got negative carryover, right?

    With 2-5 active players and net gain $500-$2999, the revenue share is 10%. That's low.

    What's the cookie duration?

    What are the "lifetime" earnings terms and conditions? Having active players? If so, it's redundant, can't be earning money from people who aren't placing a bet anyway. Perhaps you meant new active players every month?

    Do you have full terms & conditions I can read?
    Dear DanHorvat,

    About " cryptic way to say negative carryover" those not so favour description, I already ask website tech team to remove it yesterday, and those guys will back 3rd Jan, which means tmr.
    i prayed no one ask us this before tech team make upgrade, but still being asked...

    For the first level commission, I agree with you. the main concern when we made that decision is unavoidable repeating accounts, especially in Asia, it's a problem... but since you highlight it, I think we will internally discuss it, especially USD2999.

    about your other questions, you can find here https://www.gpwa.org/forum/brief-introduction-ball2win-affiliate-system-work-you-215454.html

    life long, means if the client is referred by you, you will be able to benefit from his losing forever, uncless the clients want to jump to another Affiliate by written to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tongngtung View Post
    Dear DanHorvat,



    For the first level commission, I agree with you. the main concern when we made that decision is unavoidable repeating accounts, especially in Asia, it's a problem... but since you highlight it, I think we will internally discuss it, especially USD2999.

    life long, means if the client is referred by you, you will be able to benefit from his losing forever, uncless the clients want to jump to another Affiliate by written to us.

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    Can you elaborate further on the two above items?

    Namely, what do you mean by "unavoidable repeating accounts" & how is this a problem that is solved by the current stated commission levels?

    Second, is it common practice in the industry to shift people from affiliate to affiliate by writing in? If so, I might need to rethink my current business model... (LOL)

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    Repeating accounts in Asia, at least for the Asia countries I know, are quite serious, as this is still belonged to grey area, so most of house "have to" accept " none real" name account, otherwise, people don't come. Under agent system, agents have advantages to create his own account under him, so if he win, he won 100%, and if he lost, it can be discounted to 70%...
    that's very unfavorable for house.


    For you second comment, we experienced such request from clients ask for switching to another agents, as he really can't get along with him( usually in Asia, agent and clients know each other). then we inform current agent, we had such request... Under affiliate system, i think we should have very small chance to receive such written request as your clients may not knowing you at all.

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    Some affiliate programs use "50% revenue share for the first three months", or a similar trick as in the opening period you won't be earning much anyway as revenue share is a long-term business model. 50% of $100 isn't too different from 10% of $100, the difference is forty bucks.

    In that light, I fail to understand the purpose of 10% revenue share for new affiliates, most of which are small affiliates with little traffic.

    Your project is exciting because of BTC, but I won't promote it until I see the T&Cs the way they're supposed to be posted on the site.

    Does the 15% deposit bonus apply to Bitcoins as well?
    Can the same customer get both the 15% normal bonus and the 15% mobile bonus?
    Do you plan to add Skrill as deposit/withdrawal method for players?
    What are the deposit fees and minimum deposit for Visa/Mastercard?
    If the customer who signed up through my affiliate link refers a friend, do I earn from the friend and how much? 5%?

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    Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanHorvat View Post
    Some affiliate programs use "50% revenue share for the first three months", or a similar trick as in the opening period you won't be earning much anyway as revenue share is a long-term business model. 50% of $100 isn't too different from 10% of $100, the difference is forty bucks.

    In that light, I fail to understand the purpose of 10% revenue share for new affiliates, most of which are small affiliates with little traffic.
    well, we will find a balance point between "prevent unfavourable repeating account" and doing favour for "new start up affiliate". When our Program Director said we will review it, means we will review it for sure and within 5-7 days.

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    Your project is exciting because of BTC, but I won't promote it until I see the T&Cs the way they're supposed to be posted on the site.

    Does the 15% deposit bonus apply to Bitcoins as well?

    Can the same customer get both the 15% normal bonus and the 15% mobile bonus?
    15% FDB apply to BTC? Yes

    Mobile Bonus is different bonus from FDB, it's valid when you using mobile version to place the Bet. Our current web site is compatible with Android/iOS mobile device, but not simple enough to place the bet. We already engaged an expert to re-design mobile version, which is a complete upgrade from current one, and layout is very sharp and simple. We will promote this when we believe it can give users better experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by DanHorvat View Post
    Do you plan to add Skrill as deposit/withdrawal method for players?
    What are the deposit fees and minimum deposit for Visa/Mastercard?
    If the customer who signed up through my affiliate link refers a friend, do I earn from the friend and how much? 5%?
    Skrill: we planned, but not within the half year.
    Deposit Fee for Visa Master: for all normal transaction fee, we absorb.

    5%: the 5% is designed for the case if you refer us an affiliate, then you have 5% of his network revenue.

    About the T&C, as for the first level 10% revenue share USD500~2999 is under reviewed for sure, we will upload once we internally agreed each. We will listen all feedback.
    Last edited by ball2win_affiliate; 2 January 2014 at 11:33 am.

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